Do you think seduction could be a form of rape?

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Death God

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No. If you say yes, you've agreed to it and rape is unwilling and forced sex. Nobody is forcing you to say yes, your doing it of your own free will. It is your fault for not just saying "no" so it is not rape. It is just showing that a person has no ability to have self constraint and say no to people.
 

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lemby117 said:
orangeban said:
Folio said:
Seduction might be the female version of rape. Seeing a woman's mind is stronger than the other and will put him to shame.

But then, rape traumatizes a person and is illegal. There's no law against seduction.
Not to be pedantic, but the "female" version of rape, is rape. Anyone of any gender/sex can rape anyone of any gender/sex. Plus, genders other than women can seduce people.
Sadly under uk law you need to have a penis to rape somebody and therefore a woman cannot rape anyone.
There has been a few times in the US where a woman has been convicted of rape... But in all of those cases the man was drugged. There is already such a thing, it is just not that common.
 

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Consent rape is an oxymoron, is it not? Seduction is convincin you to consent to sex, you say yes then all is good.
 

vfaulkon

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Hagi said:
It can be in very specific situations.

Namely when younger means under-age or in the case of mental deficiencies.

Adults are expected to posses enough judgment to not be seduced against their will, this is not expected of children (legally speaking) or the mentally handicapped. Seducing a child is rape.
This. This is the only time 'seduction = rape', because lawfully (and morally, arguably) you cannot expect someone underage or mentally handicapped to fully understand the implications of a physical relationship or even a single sexual interaction.

There's a reason it's called 'statutory rape', after all.

Seduction between adults, on the other hand, is a totally different matter, and it all comes down to consent. If a person gets drunk or takes drugs on their own accord and it impairs their judgement, that's still on them because they're adults and they chose mind-affecting substances. And of course if nothing is involved but wordplay, then the seducer is totally in the clear because the seducee can still say 'no' and walk away. Whether or not they choose to do so is on them, not you.
 

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Seduction is all about showing off your pretty feathers, dancing a dance and singing a song to woo your prospective. Bringing them a huge slab of meat may not be the best option, but if it works all the power to you. Its about getting them to say "Yes" when the answer would otherwise be "No".

If you said yes out of fear of causing a scene if you said no, then no it isn't. It's weak willpower.
 

WaderiAAA

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It's a very easy distinction. One is being unable to resist the temptation, the other is being forced into it. So the answer is no.
 

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Princess Trollestia said:
Consent rape is an oxymoron, is it not?
not if you replace 'consent' with 'statutory', because fuck all the logic.

OT: the fuck it is. you said yes. that's like saying "i was drunk so you raped me, even if i came onto you!"
 

orangeban

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lemby117 said:
orangeban said:
Folio said:
Seduction might be the female version of rape. Seeing a woman's mind is stronger than the other and will put him to shame.

But then, rape traumatizes a person and is illegal. There's no law against seduction.
Not to be pedantic, but the "female" version of rape, is rape. Anyone of any gender/sex can rape anyone of any gender/sex. Plus, genders other than women can seduce people.
Sadly under uk law you need to have a penis to rape somebody and therefore a woman cannot rape anyone.
A woman can rape someone, just because the UK government refuses to acknowledge this doesn't make it false. Any non-consensual sexual act (whether penetration, envelopment or something else) is rape (not counting sexual harrasment stuff like arse-tapping or things like stalking, though they are still serious.)
 
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...No. With all due respect that's a pretty stupid question, why don't you google the meaning of the word rape.

Edit: Now that I think about, I can imagine a couple of situations where it might be considered rape. Like an older woman (or man, doesn't really matter) seducing a minor.
 
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No it isn't why would this question even come into your head I'm genuinely curious as why this would even come into your head as a question? I am wondering if this is a serious or flamebait topic.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
Even when there seems to be an absense of choice, there is always choice. Be it to decline, to run away, to do nothing, or to oppose. It is you're feelings, morales, and obligations to the social norm that you pescribe to which creates the illusion that 'there was no choice'.
Oh my God no. Capitulation is not the same as consent. If a person has sex because he or she is terrified of being attacked for saying no, it is legally considered rape. In order for sex to be consensual, all people involved must actively consent, be mentally capable of making this decision, and be free to make this decision without fear of retribution.
 

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renegade7 said:
Just kind of pondering...see, it's rape if the person doesn't want to, but sometimes, especially with younger guys, it can be almost impossible to say no, even if they don't really want to. Thoughts?
Oh hey whats up Ayn Rand? I didn't know you got a forum account here.
 

b3nn3tt

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No, that question is absolutely ridiculous. If you are seduced then you have consented, so there is no rape.
 

aei_haruko

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no, because it devalues rape victims, in which real women are forecably attacked and proceed to be taken advantage of sexually. it's a disgusting crime, which needs to be stopped, and If a woman has regrest about sex that she consented to, its NOT rape
 

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Nope. The thing is, conscious thought and decision is so hard to pin down that there's a decent case for there being no such thing at all. So if someone chose to do something without being forced, we have to accept that as their decision, whether they like it or not.

And also, think about social interaction. It boils down to constant posturing, competition for dominance, manipulation, and so on. Ever acted unhappy? Congratulations, you were subconsciously trying to manipulate those around you into affording pity or help. That kind of thing. Seduction is just a slightly more pronounced way in which people manipulate others. It's also a more conscious one in many cases, but if we're banning conscious manipulation, then shouldn't drama whoring, exaggerated boasting and 'nothing's wrong' be on the list too?

In the end there's a pretty disturbing trend that seems to be on the rise. Nobody will take responsibility for anything. Someone slacked off and failed an exam? They weren't lazy; it was WoW that addicted them and forced them to waste time. Someone beats a man to death in a riot? They didn't unjustifiably lose control; they were simply angry at the horrors of capitalism. Someone sleeps with a woman then regrets it? They didn't make a bad choice the night before; they were seduced by feminine mind control powers that no mortal could resist.

Unless your freedom has actually been taken from you, say by threats, you are responsible for your own actions and for resisting influences you don't agree with.
 

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renegade7 said:
Just kind of pondering...see, it's rape if the person doesn't want to, but sometimes, especially with younger guys, it can be almost impossible to say no, even if they don't really want to. Thoughts?
You really have no concept of what rape is do you....
 

Smooth Operator

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NO.
If you are too young for the decision then it's already covered by law, if however you are too dumb we can't help you, you will just need to learn by trial and error.

You can't go sue people for your stupidity, well... maybe in America.
 

Raptorace18

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No it is not. Seduction is the means by which you convince a member of the opposite (or preferred) sex to consent to having sex with you. In other words you move them from a position of 'don't want' to 'do want'. And if this is a crime then someone really needs to tell the advertising industry.

Rape is when you skip this process completely.

Also I can't help but sense some sort of motive hidden behind this question, given that you seem to drawing a comparison between something which is a perfectly natural part of normal human social interactions and vital to the survival of our (and every) species and a traumatic act of violence. Just saying.