Do you torrent? (pun most definitely intended)

[werepossum]

I find it funny because all those who do pirate buy stuff anyway, in one form or another, they don't pirate 100% all the time. I can admit I don't pirate all the time, I'll buy the occasional dvd here and there if they're good and I'm looking forward to it(Iron Man and TDK here I come)but we do buy stuff so we are kinda still giving back to the industry, even if only a bit each time we(rarely)buy something legit.

That's pretty funny considering your name. You're basically saying "Well, I did steal this Toyota, but it's okay because once I bought a Ford. Therefore I'm supporting the automobile industry.

 

[GenHellspawn]

I find it funny because all those who do pirate buy stuff anyway, in one form or another, they don't pirate 100% all the time. I can admit I don't pirate all the time, I'll buy the occasional dvd here and there if they're good and I'm looking forward to it(Iron Man and TDK here I come)but we do buy stuff so we are kinda still giving back to the industry, even if only a bit each time we(rarely)buy something legit.

That's pretty funny considering your name. You're basically saying "Well, I did steal this Toyota, but it's okay because once I bought a Ford. Therefore I'm supporting the automobile industry.

Well, that's kind of a bad analogy: stealing a car deprives the owner of the car, while pirating movies simply makes a copy of it.

Also, this:

 

[darksaiyan]

I pirate games. I'm not proud of it, nor would be any other that steals anything. Yet I don't really have the means to stay afloat in this world of news on purely education allocations in Romania. And parents don't support you when you have other things to do (like learn).

Not to say that I don't buy games. I've pirated games and then bought them to play them online (on servers that aren't cracked that is). That is mostly all readily available Blizzard games, although I did play the occasional Blackthorne and Lost Vikings pirated too. What I really hate about today's games is the amount of USELESS protection they employ, like DRM. Why not use the old CD-key technique? Besides, on the DRM issue, why the hell do you include it when the game is available on torrents beforehand?

I will buy games when I'll maintain myself, but for now, I'd rather let things cool down and let games become more popular.
Besides, they even said that piracy increases hardware sales, and that's cool (but beside the point)

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Surely a hidden Cd key tracer which is hash-coded to your IP address/system clock would be sufficient enough to make Piracy too much trouble?

I mean basic cryptography within the programming code as well as the key itself would make reverse engineering insanely hard.

 

[Drednought1]

I admit i am an avid torrenter, but not for illegal games and software like that.
I only tend to resort to it if i cannot find things anywhere else, for example old pieces of music, or my favourite (and most current) use, downloading anime which will not be released to English viewing audiences for several months, if ever.

 

[Zaleznikel]

I used to torrent the TV shows that I have access to, but, because I go to a school where I'm stuck in my room between 8-10, I don't get to view them. Although recently, I've found that Hulu has most of the shows I like, so I don't spend the time downloading them. I don't think I've torrented anything other than TV shows.

 

[werepossum]

I pirate games. I'm not proud of it, nor would be any other that steals anything. Yet I don't really have the means to stay afloat in this world of news on purely education allocations in Romania. And parents don't support you when you have other things to do (like learn).

Not to say that I don't buy games. I've pirated games and then bought them to play them online (on servers that aren't cracked that is). That is mostly all readily available Blizzard games, although I did play the occasional Blackthorne and Lost Vikings pirated too. What I really hate about today's games is the amount of USELESS protection they employ, like DRM. Why not use the old CD-key technique? Besides, on the DRM issue, why the hell do you include it when the game is available on torrents beforehand?

I will buy games when I'll maintain myself, but for now, I'd rather let things cool down and let games become more popular.
Besides, they even said that piracy increases hardware sales, and that's cool (but beside the point)

At least you have the decency to be ashamed of stealing, rather than declaring you are entitled to others' work for free, and to promise better when you are financially able. I'm not saying it makes it right, but it shows you do have morals.

Good luck with your education and career.

 

[werepossum]

I find it funny because all those who do pirate buy stuff anyway, in one form or another, they don't pirate 100% all the time. I can admit I don't pirate all the time, I'll buy the occasional dvd here and there if they're good and I'm looking forward to it(Iron Man and TDK here I come)but we do buy stuff so we are kinda still giving back to the industry, even if only a bit each time we(rarely)buy something legit.

That's pretty funny considering your name. You're basically saying "Well, I did steal this Toyota, but it's okay because once I bought a Ford. Therefore I'm supporting the automobile industry.

Well, that's kind of a bad analogy: stealing a car deprives the owner of the car, while pirating movies simply makes a copy of it.

SNIP

Ah, but if you steal it quickly enough, before it's sold, you're only depriving the evil rich manufacturer of the chance to sell it. Same thing.

 

[darksaiyan]

I pirate games. I'm not proud of it, nor would be any other that steals anything. Yet I don't really have the means to stay afloat in this world of news on purely education allocations in Romania. And parents don't support you when you have other things to do (like learn).

Not to say that I don't buy games. I've pirated games and then bought them to play them online (on servers that aren't cracked that is). That is mostly all readily available Blizzard games, although I did play the occasional Blackthorne and Lost Vikings pirated too. What I really hate about today's games is the amount of USELESS protection they employ, like DRM. Why not use the old CD-key technique? Besides, on the DRM issue, why the hell do you include it when the game is available on torrents beforehand?

I will buy games when I'll maintain myself, but for now, I'd rather let things cool down and let games become more popular.
Besides, they even said that piracy increases hardware sales, and that's cool (but beside the point)

At least you have the decency to be ashamed of stealing, rather than declaring you are entitled to others' work for free, and to promise better when you are financially able. I'm not saying it makes it right, but it shows you do have morals.

Good luck with your education and career.

Thanks!

 

[perfectimo]

Saying "pun most definitely intended" is like saying I'm an idiot, criticize me please! In the time it took you write "pun most definitely intended" you could have written something smarter.

Just like you could have done, right?
Also explain how that makes me an idiot?

EDIT: DON'T REPLY, SEND A PM. CAN PEOPLE NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD AND JUST LET IT DIE.

 

[Gotham Soul]

Just music.

Or games that are currently too pricey for me to consider getting right now. (Dark Messiah of Might and Magic for an easy ten bucks off steam is worth more than waiting three days for a download to finish)

 

[Rhodite]

I torrent if the option is available for a legitamate download.

It's a great way of providing a usually fast and reliable to access files of any type.

 

[Mariena]

Yes, I use uTorrent. Torrents are awesome. Distributing bandwidth over the peers themselves, so it doesn't drain everything from one single source? The guy is a genius!

As for those people that just don't want to give up about piracy:

1. It's not stealing, technically
2. The artists/authors hardly suffer. Why? Because (mostly) the pirates weren't going to pay for the product *ANYWAY*. The pirates aren't going to and don't buy the game -> Authors don't get any cash. The pirates pirate the game -> Authors don't get any cash. The authors don't suffer from piracy, in this scenario.

But I guess it's morally, or ethically wrong to feast on someone's hard work. Myself? I pirate a lot of games, because I believe in "try before you buy", and today's demos (if they even release one) don't seem to cut it. Download 3 gigabytes worth of engine, textures and sounds for 1 tutorial and 1 single player mission. No thanks! I'd rather see it the game I'm going to be buying, if I like it.

If I don't like it, or it has been riddled with crap like Starforce, Securom and DRM, there's no point in playing and it goes right to the recycle bin. If I like it, I buy it.

On the other hand, I blindly buy games from developers like Stardock and the guys from Mount and Blade. They need the money a lot more than some big game factory like EA, and I have yet to be let down by them!

 

[jim_doki]

As for those people that just don't want to give up about piracy:

1. It's not stealing, technically
2. The artists/authors hardly suffer. Why? Because (mostly) the pirates weren't going to pay for the product *ANYWAY*.

1, Technically it's not. ACTUALLY it is

b, if you weren't going to buy it, then you shouldn't have it. I'm baffled as to why so many people say this, paticularly if they thought they weren't going to like it then why not avoid it completely.

The try-before-you-buy argument is COMPLETE bollocks. Play it at a store, or at a mate's place. Read some reviews. Do some research.

Lets just ask this, How many of you who buy magazines sit in the newsagent's and read the whole thing before deciding whether or not you're going to buy it?
What do you think the owner would do?

This is EXACTLY the same

 

[Mariena]

As for those people that just don't want to give up about piracy:

1. It's not stealing, technically
2. The artists/authors hardly suffer. Why? Because (mostly) the pirates weren't going to pay for the product *ANYWAY*.

1, Technically it's not. ACTUALLY it is

b, if you weren't going to buy it, then you shouldn't have it. I'm baffled as to why so many people say this, paticularly if they thought they weren't going to like it then why not avoid it completely.

The try-before-you-buy argument is COMPLETE bollocks. Play it at a store, or at a mate's place. Read some reviews. Do some research.

Lets just ask this, How many of you who buy magazines sit in the newsagent's and read the whole thing before deciding whether or not you're going to buy it?
What do you think the owner would do?

This is EXACTLY the same

What? Bollocks? Excuse you? How is reading a review the same as trying it yourself? Playing at a store? What do you think I am, a console gamer? And I only know one (mega)store where you can actually play games (that is, one game for one console.. if it's actually playable). I don't know *any* stores that allow you to play PC games.

[Edit] I don't actually have any real-life friends that play video games. Or are you saying I should hop over to the other side of the world to try a game out? [/Edit]

How about this: You're out there to buy a car, but you can't try before you buy. You can *read* about it, reviews, opinions, watch demos at a store.. and how many times do you ask a friend "Hey, can I try your car for a few hours so I can decide whether to buy it myself?". I think your argument is COMPLETE bollocks.

In any case: whatever. I'm glad I uphold this "try before you buy"-policy as it has saved me a lot of money. I can only imagine how many times I would had to buy a game, and experience it:
a. Sucks (This could be anything not to my taste)
b. Is horribly glitchy (Mercenaries 2 for example. That went straight into the garbage bin, buggy piece of...)
c. Too short (The pirated version of Spore didn't have any of that DRM nonsense, and I got a taste of it. It was too childish, and too short. I would have been *really* disappointed if I had bought that with no way to get a refund).

Reviews only do so much. A lot of them are rosey, pink and covered in flowers about how great they are (hurk, halo 3). On the other hand, the reviews pummeled Brigade E5: New Jagged Union into the ground, but that was one of the greatest games I've played. If I did my research "correctly", I would have never touched that game! Instead, I downloaded it and saw it was great. And I bought it.

[Edit]

Lets just ask this, How many of you who buy magazines sit in the newsagent's and read the whole thing before deciding whether or not you're going to buy it?
What do you think the owner would do?

I didn't know there were magazines that have dynamic content? Mission editors? Mod communities? This argument only counts for single player games that allow no modification whatsoever. .. I also don't read magazines.

Now if you could actually rent PC games, that may have been a consideration. Unfortunately, you can't even return a damn game these days. This is why I have to be absolutely sure it's worth my money.
[/Edit]

 

[perfectimo]

How about this: You're out there to buy a car, but you can't try before you buy. You can *read* about it, reviews, opinions, watch demos at a store.. and how many times do you ask a friend "Hey, can I try your car for a few hours so I can decide whether to buy it myself?". I think your argument is COMPLETE bollocks.

So let me get this straight, someone doesn't let you use something before you buy it so the next logical step is to steal it?

 

[Mariena]

I don't steal it (as many have explained before, it's not stealing rather than copyright infringement). I guess I'm not supposed to copy it, but there's no actual harm done by doing so, as long as I buy it. I try it, then buy it or leave it.

 

[perfectimo]

I don't steal it. I try it, then buy it or leave it.

So the developer gave you permission?

 

[Mariena]

I don't steal it. I try it, then buy it or leave it.

So the developer gave you permission?

What are you trying to prove here? I have no one's permission, but in order to get my money's worth, I have to make the decision myself. How do I know it's something I would enjoy if I haven't tried it? I can't rent it, I can't play it at "mates", I can't play it at the store, the demos are usually nonexistent or utterly lacking, if I buy it and I don't like it I can't return it, etc etc etc.

I guess in your eyes it doesn't justify "stealing", but I sure as hell am not going to waste my money. And as I said, I don't do the developers any harm. If I like it, I buy it. If I don't, I dump it. I just want to get my money's worth.

Also, did you notice how many times I wrote "I", in this post?