Alright that was snappy of me I apologize. my bad.Moonlight Butterfly said:
I still disagree with you but I apologize for being rude.
DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture
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I still disagree with you but I apologize for being rude.
I dunno....I think his wording is wrong.
He's not talking about the Japanese culture, because if it was only Japanese people who enjoyed it, it wouldn't be as big here as it is. He should just say "This makes money for us and people buy it. Some men and some women enjoy playing fighting games that have women with giant bouncy boobs. Leave me alone." That's all it is. There's no ties to his country besides the family ninja thing in there. The boobs are just there to just be there.
And seriously, if you're watching the boobs while they fight, you must get your ass beat a lot.
It's not supposed to be realistic or meaningful. It's just what helps sell their games.
Now, he needs to admit that so the world can find another article to facepalm at.
He's not talking about the Japanese culture, because if it was only Japanese people who enjoyed it, it wouldn't be as big here as it is. He should just say "This makes money for us and people buy it. Some men and some women enjoy playing fighting games that have women with giant bouncy boobs. Leave me alone." That's all it is. There's no ties to his country besides the family ninja thing in there. The boobs are just there to just be there.
And seriously, if you're watching the boobs while they fight, you must get your ass beat a lot.
It's not supposed to be realistic or meaningful. It's just what helps sell their games.
Now, he needs to admit that so the world can find another article to facepalm at.
Which explains the whole girly-man back waxing and crap that seems to be going on nowadays?Ishigami said:
I was unaware the women characters were not allowed to fight with the male characters, or that they were substantially weaker than the male fighters. I mean, it's really sexist if it portrays their female fighters as unable to fight and not as powerful as their male counterparts.Moonlight Butterfly said:
I'm surprised it's sold so well if half the roster can't compete.
Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture!! D:<
That is the funniest thing I've read here for a while...
I noticed that Okami of all things has jiggle physics with that Sakuya sprite lady. Isn't that ostensibly a children's game?
That is the funniest thing I've read here for a while...
I noticed that Okami of all things has jiggle physics with that Sakuya sprite lady. Isn't that ostensibly a children's game?
I'm sorry but you have it all wrong.Therumancer said:
Most women just want to be able to be heroic and not just eye candy. You secret world example isn't women saying they want sexualisation it's them saying they want clothing options to make sense.
Women can be attractive without being oversexualised.
Games like Mass Effect, Skyrim, Dragon Age and Fallout 3 are very popular with women as they can be female without being some porn star traipsing about the environment in a pvc bikini. I think what it comes down to is this.
1. Appropriate dress for the situation
2. How a character comports themselves
3. How they are treated in the narrative.
4 How the camera treats them (Miranda's bum anyone?)
People who bring up this issue ARE NOT asking for women to be 'ugly' we just want them to be appropriate.
I had a girlfriend with G-cup breasts and she couldn't run (let alone fight) without it causing her a significant amount of pain. If they were interested in "common sense" or realism Kasumi would be clutching her funbags in agony after whiffing a roundhouse kick.
The Japanese culture bit is a pretty weak defense, just because something is part of a culture doesn't mean it's right, I mean slavery was part of America's culture for a long while.
However, I don't think it's doing any harm. These are not real people, they are game characters, I don't think I'm objectifying women by playing this any more than I am killing real life prostitutes when I play Grand Theft Auto.
It's just a fantasy thing. Everyone has their fantasy of their perfect partner, and everyone has their own sexual preferences, I don't see this as any more harmful than porn, which I generally think is completely harmless.
However, I don't think it's doing any harm. These are not real people, they are game characters, I don't think I'm objectifying women by playing this any more than I am killing real life prostitutes when I play Grand Theft Auto.
It's just a fantasy thing. Everyone has their fantasy of their perfect partner, and everyone has their own sexual preferences, I don't see this as any more harmful than porn, which I generally think is completely harmless.
Wait, wait, wait.. let me get this straight.
We're talkin' about how these girls should be pictured in a game where every bodytype, male or female is utterly ridicoulus over the top?
And it wouldnt be a problem if they we're this feminin/sexy but with a B-cup? I'm confused. Objectifying small tits is ok, but big breasts are not?
Also, what has this beat-em up to do with real life sexism? Is this the new form of shooters make killers? Beat em ups raises boys to like domestic violence?
Just treat a friggin game for a game once and don't over complicate things. Curves and big breasts are a beauty standard in Japan, just look at their Mangas.
Also being paler than a vampire on a diet is sexy. And nobody of us has the right to claim that this certain view on female beauty is wrong.
Sheesh.
We're talkin' about how these girls should be pictured in a game where every bodytype, male or female is utterly ridicoulus over the top?
And it wouldnt be a problem if they we're this feminin/sexy but with a B-cup? I'm confused. Objectifying small tits is ok, but big breasts are not?
Also, what has this beat-em up to do with real life sexism? Is this the new form of shooters make killers? Beat em ups raises boys to like domestic violence?
Just treat a friggin game for a game once and don't over complicate things. Curves and big breasts are a beauty standard in Japan, just look at their Mangas.
Also being paler than a vampire on a diet is sexy. And nobody of us has the right to claim that this certain view on female beauty is wrong.
Sheesh.
So, when is teh next Beach Volleyball game coming out, Team Ninja?
(No sarcasm. Seriously, when can we get the next one?)
(No sarcasm. Seriously, when can we get the next one?)
While their specific representation of women is...wrong I have a hard time faulting their reasoning. I'm of the opinion that the primary reason it is an "issue" to begin with is because of American sensibilities towards sex. If we Americans didn't have such an issue with sex in general far fewer people would care about this.
Okay, I need to ask a question here. I get how Hot Women With Big Boobs In Videogame = Objectification = Sexist.
Let me ask a different question. Say we got got rid of the objectification, and made all the women average-looking (with the exception of musculature; this is a fighting game, after all). How does that make the game/the genre more accessible to women?
Let me ask a different question. Say we got got rid of the objectification, and made all the women average-looking (with the exception of musculature; this is a fighting game, after all). How does that make the game/the genre more accessible to women?
No, no I do not have it wrong. Again, left to their own devices what do women create for themselves and a female audience? The same exact stuff. They are treated any differantly than the men are either, because the same kind of appeal is present. They focus on the appealing bits on both male and female models, and both dress in ways that show off their assets to the same basic degree, it comes down to what's appealing. It's sort of like how while they might focus on a lady's curves, they also tend to give the male characters plenty of shots that show them flexing their unreasonably huge muscles which are portrayed that way for no other reason than it looks good to the audience. In fantasy the men tend to be beefcake studs (the guys want to be, and women want to be with) and the women are hot and curvy, they all wear outfits that are borderline functional, they show off the assets, and while not ideal do fit enough for suspension of disbelief. For every revealing costume on a female character you generally have an equally bad one on a male character, those Frank Frazetta era paintings people complain about might have the ladies in brass link bras, but the dues are running around in even less (fur short shorts) so you can see every bit of their muscle definition. Despite the technology existing Marcus Fenix and company in "Gears" all walk around in partial body armor just so you can see their massive arms, despite the fact that you'd think they would want better protection on their limbs no matter how buffed they are (especially if they are swinging chainsaws around in combat conditions).Moonlight Butterfly said:
It's a total non issue, it exists ONLY for the sake of people trying to pick a fight, and generally tends to occur in discussion on forums like this only in regards to women due to the perception that women need to be white knighted, and are being persecuted when they are not.
When it comes to TSW, it WAS about apperance, not just the clothing, we literally had people posting pictures of "Planet Of The Apes" making jokes about that being how their characters looked, as well as women mentioning that they couldn't get the right facial features and bodily proportions and that there were only a couple of facial feature combos that were beautify as opposed to boringly bland or freaky looking. It went on for quite a while, and if you were there, you know what. Guys were vocal too about the models, but the point is women were basically complaining about the lack of all of the things they are supposed to be victimized by according to discussions like this.
What's more when it comes to DOA, there is nothing unusually bad about it, you have your basic heroic fantasy versions of both men and women that represent physical ideals. Costume wise it's a mixed bag, most of the costumes are fairly practical and based on real outfits, exceptions of course do exist, but that applies to both genders. You really can't complain about a female character having say a french maid outfit for the lulz, when you have guys with equally stereotypical cowboy costumes (which is an erotic stereotype for women), or truely ridiculous things like Zack having some kind of silver Teletubby suit. Sure you might not enter a shootfighting tournament in the middle of the Las Vegas strip wearing a french maid costume, but your not going to do it with an extraneous unusable lasso at your waist (cowboy), or dressed like a Teletubby either. Half the point of unlockable costumes is to goof off, and honestly I don't think any of the default looks in DoA have ever been that bad.
Even when it comes to Jiggle Physics (does noone wear a bra?) one can argue the guys could stop flexing pointlessly in some of their poses also, and really.. you'll notice a surprising lack of outfits for guys that don't bare the muscles or find a way to show off exact definition. Same basic thing (does noone not do 'roids?).
