Doctor Who Series 6.2 'Day of the Moon' SPOILERS

[GiantRaven]

Eugh. I am sick to death of this Amy/Rory bullcrap. I thought the show had moved on from that already but it just keeps getting dragged up over and over. -_-

Fun episode apart from that though.

 

[DragonBorn96]

Dang nabbit Moffat! Now there are even more questions! Who's the girl? Does this mean the Doctor doesn't get shot? Who's baby is Amy's? Why can she regenerate? Aaaaaanyway, I thought that was a great start to a new series, I liked the Silence, I thought they were quite cool, and the Astronaut, I wanted more from the Astronaut other than it just being a exo suit.

 

[AwesomeFerret]

I reckon that the Doctor wasn't actually involved in the whole Amy becoming pregnant thing, but the fact shes being flying around in the TARDIS the whole time probably had an effect on her unborn child, assuming that the little girl is in fact her child.

Also

[HEADING=2]Amy <3 The Doctor[/HEADING]

[HEADING=1]No! Amy <3 Stupidface![/HEADING]

[HEADING=2]Stupidface <3 The Doctor[/HEADING]

No, stop it! We're going to end up with Team Doctor vs Team Stupid Face!

Guys, I think I have a solution...

[HEADING=3]Everyone <3 Captain Jack Harkness[/HEADING]

Oh God, what have I done? The Doctor Who Team Wars have begun! No one is safe! Not even the regenerating children!

 

[YesIPlayTheBagpipes]

honestly, don't you remember the doctor's daughter?

 

[YesIPlayTheBagpipes]

also, amy's quantum baby, nice!

 

[The Funslinger]

Interesting start to the episode. 3 months later and told with flashbacks.

"I'm helping! What are you doing? Putting up cabinets?"

Im pretty sure we havent seen the last of the Silence. Like they said; Silence will fall!

Interesting stuff with Rivers timeline. The last time she kissed the Doctor is the first time for him.
Also, it's all about the little girl!

OMG the girl regenerated! She fucking regenerated! Mind blown!

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MAI THEOREHZ: Either this is somehow the Rani (most symbolic female timelord) or it's the doctor's "daughter" that came out of that genetic sampling device. She did leave looking for him, and the two never had any screen time aside from when she killed him. Ya never know, she could be pissed.

 

[The Funslinger]

Its consitant wih 11 and like 10 said he's dead

I don't know if it is consistent with his character, he mourned for the loss of those 'vampire' things and if he felt justified in killing a race to save humanity he could have dispatched that Starwhale with no problem.

To be honest I normally like doctor Who but I just didn't think these episodes were very palatable. He was way too quick to kill and showed absolutely no remorse afterwards.

Well you know, different situations and stuff. Maybe he knew what measures he had to take. They were pretty clear about not leaving. Besides, he's not killing the entire race, they obviously came from off planet, earth was part of their "Roman Empire". He's forcing their branch on earth to leave or die, it's hardly resolute.

 

[AfroTree]

The Docter does have a child. Coupla series back he ran in on a war and was cloned. His daughter was shot by the end but then regenerated and blasted off into space, we haven't seen her since. Pretty sure it's her after a coupla regenerations.

But why would a 20odd year old regenerate into a child....

This is why I think the theory of it being the Doctors Child from a couple of series ago being a bit crap.

2 other notable things. The 1st is we still didn't find out what that room from the Lodger is really for. The 2nd is River shot a Silence without looking. Writing slip up due to "Rule of Cool" or there's now something else to add to the seemingly never-ending list of questions about River Song.

I'm writing that one up due to "HOLY FUCK SOMETHING BEHIND ME"

OT: random musing, who said it had to be a regeneration?

 

[Scrubiii]

The Docter does have a child. Coupla series back he ran in on a war and was cloned. His daughter was shot by the end but then regenerated and blasted off into space, we haven't seen her since. Pretty sure it's her after a coupla regenerations.

But why would a 20odd year old regenerate into a child....

This is why I think the theory of it being the Doctors Child from a couple of series ago being a bit crap.

2 other notable things. The 1st is we still didn't find out what that room from the Lodger is really for. The 2nd is River shot a Silence without looking. Writing slip up due to "Rule of Cool" or there's now something else to add to the seemingly never-ending list of questions about River Song.

I'm writing that one up due to "HOLY FUCK SOMETHING BEHIND ME"

OT: random musing, who said it had to be a regeneration?

I agree with the suspiciousness of shooting the one that was standing behind her. At the time I just thought it was one of those cool shots designed to accentuate her badassery, but then, thinking about it, they aren't even supposed to be able to remember that those things exist if they aren't looking at them, so shooting one without looking would require either a random desire to suddenly shoot behind you,something the writers haven't told us, or the writers forgetting/ignoring their own fiction for the sake of a cool shot.

 

[AfroTree]

The Docter does have a child. Coupla series back he ran in on a war and was cloned. His daughter was shot by the end but then regenerated and blasted off into space, we haven't seen her since. Pretty sure it's her after a coupla regenerations.

But why would a 20odd year old regenerate into a child....

This is why I think the theory of it being the Doctors Child from a couple of series ago being a bit crap.

2 other notable things. The 1st is we still didn't find out what that room from the Lodger is really for. The 2nd is River shot a Silence without looking. Writing slip up due to "Rule of Cool" or there's now something else to add to the seemingly never-ending list of questions about River Song.

I'm writing that one up due to "HOLY FUCK SOMETHING BEHIND ME"

OT: random musing, who said it had to be a regeneration?

Also, has no-one noticed, they killed off The Master, without so much as a "Bai!"

The universe went bai..and amy recreated it..and she never knew about the master.

I agree with the suspiciousness of shooting the one that was standing behind her. At the time I just thought it was one of those cool shots designed to accentuate her badassery, but then, thinking about it, they aren't even supposed to be able to remember that those things exist if they aren't looking at them, so shooting one without looking would require either a random desire to suddenly shoot behind you,something the writers haven't told us, or the writers forgetting/ignoring their own fiction for the sake of a cool shot.

Well, they did just say "you should kill all of us on sight".. Just puttin' it out there.

 

[Scrubiii]

The Docter does have a child. Coupla series back he ran in on a war and was cloned. His daughter was shot by the end but then regenerated and blasted off into space, we haven't seen her since. Pretty sure it's her after a coupla regenerations.

But why would a 20odd year old regenerate into a child....

This is why I think the theory of it being the Doctors Child from a couple of series ago being a bit crap.

2 other notable things. The 1st is we still didn't find out what that room from the Lodger is really for. The 2nd is River shot a Silence without looking. Writing slip up due to "Rule of Cool" or there's now something else to add to the seemingly never-ending list of questions about River Song.

I'm writing that one up due to "HOLY FUCK SOMETHING BEHIND ME"

OT: random musing, who said it had to be a regeneration?

Also, has no-one noticed, they killed off The Master, without so much as a "Bai!"

The universe went bai..and amy recreated it..and she never knew about the master.

I agree with the suspiciousness of shooting the one that was standing behind her. At the time I just thought it was one of those cool shots designed to accentuate her badassery, but then, thinking about it, they aren't even supposed to be able to remember that those things exist if they aren't looking at them, so shooting one without looking would require either a random desire to suddenly shoot behind you,something the writers haven't told us, or the writers forgetting/ignoring their own fiction for the sake of a cool shot.

Well, they did just say "you should kill all of us on sight".. Just puttin' it out there.

Exactly, thats the point, it wasn't on sight, she couldn't see it.

 

[EvilPicnic]

To be fair, the sycorax were running away, and Harriet Jones shot them in the back. The Silence had manipulated Humanity throughout time and had no qualms about it whatsoever. The Doctor just manipulated their manipulation.

Also, Humanity needs to succeed to preserve the integrity of any timeline, the Silence don't.

Well that's just good for establishing a difference between 10 and 11. Remember the 8th Doctor fought a Time War that killed millions. And the 4th attempted retroactive genocide on the Daleks.

I just didn't think that the Doctor should have done that, it's too far out of his character even taking into account the previous examples. The main difference is that if the Daleks had sued for peace the Doctor would have stopped, in all previous examples of him doing that he's never pushed harder than he's had to, even with the immediate example I think of (10 and Lumic) he never wanted to do it. This time the Doctor didn't set the trap and explain what would happen if they carried on, he just did it.

That's it actually, having thought on it it's that:

1. He manipulated innocent humans into killing without their knowledge.
2. He didn't give the Silence a chance to surrender, he just killed them all. In every previous example he's at least given them a chance but in these two episodes he never offered a peaceful way out.

This wasn't even like it was a fixed point or that something needed to happen, he could have literally solved this however he'd wanted and the Doctor actively chose to slaughter tens of thousands. Even Davros got an out when he built the Reality Bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjF6RU4VEE

Remembrance of the Daleks - The Doctor manipulates Davros into using the Hand of Omega (which the Doctor has boobytrapped) to destroy Skaro and countless millions of Daleks. Just for kicks. No remorse, no mercy.

I like my Doctor ruthless and vengeful.

Unlimited rice pudding.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Eh, shouldn't be the Doctor's kid.

Besides, regeneration is linked to the TARDIS, not the Time Lords themselves.

except that Moffat hasn't shown any inhibitions about throwing out continuity that was established in Season 1 of NuWho to make a point, so God only knows how little he regards canon from the earlier series.

More and more I think that Stephen Moffat should not be writing for the whole series. When he was given someone else's overall series construction to work in he turned in fantastic episodes that really stretched how you thought about the Doctor and Time Travel. Now he's writhing whole series and the last one was a too obvious mess with a threat that was being bludgeoned into our heads so much it got annoying. 'Yes Stephen, I know that there are cracks everywhere in the universe, but when I figured out that it was clearly the TARDIS exploding before you even showed the Doctor pulling that bit out of the crack, you're doing foreshadowing wrong.'

That could well be my problem with this series as well.
'SILENCE WILL FALL'
thirty seconds later
Rory: Even the Roman Empire fell.

Maybe he should have had a neon sign in the background that read 'THIS CONVERSATION IS SIGNIFICANT.'

Moffat can't foreshadow, and so far I don't care about Pond or Williams or Song or the Doctor even half as much as I cared about Rose and Donna and Jack and even bloody Wilfred Mott and Martha. I cared about Mickey more than I care about the main companion.

 

[AfroTree]

The Docter does have a child. Coupla series back he ran in on a war and was cloned. His daughter was shot by the end but then regenerated and blasted off into space, we haven't seen her since. Pretty sure it's her after a coupla regenerations.

But why would a 20odd year old regenerate into a child....

This is why I think the theory of it being the Doctors Child from a couple of series ago being a bit crap.

2 other notable things. The 1st is we still didn't find out what that room from the Lodger is really for. The 2nd is River shot a Silence without looking. Writing slip up due to "Rule of Cool" or there's now something else to add to the seemingly never-ending list of questions about River Song.

I'm writing that one up due to "HOLY FUCK SOMETHING BEHIND ME"

OT: random musing, who said it had to be a regeneration?

Also, has no-one noticed, they killed off The Master, without so much as a "Bai!"

The universe went bai..and amy recreated it..and she never knew about the master.

I agree with the suspiciousness of shooting the one that was standing behind her. At the time I just thought it was one of those cool shots designed to accentuate her badassery, but then, thinking about it, they aren't even supposed to be able to remember that those things exist if they aren't looking at them, so shooting one without looking would require either a random desire to suddenly shoot behind you,something the writers haven't told us, or the writers forgetting/ignoring their own fiction for the sake of a cool shot.

Well, they did just say "you should kill all of us on sight".. Just puttin' it out there.

Exactly, thats the point, it wasn't on sight, she couldn't see it.

...Mirror..somewhere? I got nothin' xD

 

[Thyunda]

The Docter does have a child. Coupla series back he ran in on a war and was cloned. His daughter was shot by the end but then regenerated and blasted off into space, we haven't seen her since. Pretty sure it's her after a coupla regenerations.

But why would a 20odd year old regenerate into a child....

This is why I think the theory of it being the Doctors Child from a couple of series ago being a bit crap.

2 other notable things. The 1st is we still didn't find out what that room from the Lodger is really for. The 2nd is River shot a Silence without looking. Writing slip up due to "Rule of Cool" or there's now something else to add to the seemingly never-ending list of questions about River Song.

I'm writing that one up due to "HOLY FUCK SOMETHING BEHIND ME"

OT: random musing, who said it had to be a regeneration?

Also, has no-one noticed, they killed off The Master, without so much as a "Bai!"

The universe went bai..and amy recreated it..and she never knew about the master.

I agree with the suspiciousness of shooting the one that was standing behind her. At the time I just thought it was one of those cool shots designed to accentuate her badassery, but then, thinking about it, they aren't even supposed to be able to remember that those things exist if they aren't looking at them, so shooting one without looking would require either a random desire to suddenly shoot behind you,something the writers haven't told us, or the writers forgetting/ignoring their own fiction for the sake of a cool shot.

Well, they did just say "you should kill all of us on sight".. Just puttin' it out there.

Exactly, thats the point, it wasn't on sight, she couldn't see it.

...Mirror..somewhere? I got nothin' xD

Rory's face when he saw it.

 

[IndianaJonny]

UK fans, did the back-street scene with the girl at the end remind anyone else of the opening to Captain Scarlet?


Even down to the rolling bottle!

Apart from that I didn't find this episode particularly entertaining, just busy - next week looks rather flat as well. Ah, well.

 

[Thyunda]

Remembrance of the Daleks - The Doctor manipulates Davros into using the Hand of Omega (which the Doctor has boobytrapped) to destroy Skaro and countless millions of Daleks. Just for kicks. No remorse, no mercy.

Unlimited rice pudding.

I don't really like using '...of the Daleks' examples because the Doctor will normally have left them a way out and they are the Daleks, he's kind of got a history with them. For example Davros could have backed down and left at nearly any moment and avoided all that trouble. I don't object to the Doctor killing loads of aliens if he has to but in this episode the aliens weren't even all that instantly dangerous.

Anyway, it's more the 'brainwashing people to turn innocent children and other bystanders into murderers' bit that gets me. The Doctor just made thousands of children in to murderers and they won't have guns, they'll just see one of the Silence, black out and their mind will force them to strangle them or beat them to death. he basically undermined the free will of the species he claims to love most in the galaxy for a victory he didn't particularly need.

They won't remember. And it's for their own good. And it was really the only option.

 

[EvilPicnic]

I just realized something... isn't the Doctor almost overdue to turn into the Valeyard or something...

Yyyyes...or no, it depends. It's either his next regeneration or the Master undid and thus reset his regeneration count at the end of season 3 (new). I'm guessing he's going to dodge the bullet or the Valeyard will be retconned into something a bit different.

I always understood that the Valeyard was a 'potential' Doctor coming somewhere after the twelfth incarnation, but who never actually existed as 'The Doctor'. Hence his motivation to act as prosecutor in the Doctor's trial; the High Council had promised him the Doctor's remaining regenerations in return for a successful prosecution.

It would be awesome if he could make a return, the Doctor vs himself, but evil...