Doctor Who Series 6.6: 'The Almost People' SPOILERS

[Zagzag]

This episode and the last were unbelievably boring, although the ending was fairly interesting.

Unfortuneatley I have to agree with you. I'd hoped that they would do something where all of them turned out to be gangers, and only found out at the end of the first episode, but no they couldn't do anything that interesting.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

Did I just see fucking Sith Lords in my doctor who?! :O

Also yet again more character inconsistancy. Can't kill the flesh, they're living people! Bye bye Flesh Amy!

 

[TimeLord]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

You know...the more things the Doctor does this series the more I'm starting to sympathise with the coalition for locking him away.

The Doctor would appear to be a horrible person from what I can tell, he's basically killed his way indiscriminately through...I'll go with 5 episodes now because episode 4 seemed very reasonable.

As per usual I think I'm going to get quoted a billion times with people telling me that some time in the seventies he totally did that one thing but the Doctor is not an internally consistent character! He has no chain of reasoning that can be followed and frequently contradicts himself over what's morally acceptable.

Until it gets pointed out next episode that he dissolved her to stop the signal/save her/she was going to die anyway. Or any of the many other reasons it could be.

Cause I'm pretty sure Rory is gonna want to know what the hell is going on!

 

[Loop Stricken]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

The point was, the Flesh they were using in the acid plant was essentially having their memories constantly pumped into it. A one-time clone isn't going to retain anything.

That said, this is likely a future version of the Flesh, one that's had its... 'flaws' worked out. Or... hell. DRAMA! SUDDENNLY NO AMY!

Until it gets pointed out next episode that he dissolved her to stop the signal/save her/she was going to die anyway. Or any of the many other reasons it could be.

Wasn't that pointed out in the first episode? That their ganger shells had to 'die' for them to wake up?

 

[Trolldor]

Ok, to explain:

Amy was in a harness, but it was different tech to the gangers they dealt with at the mine. It was more advanced. The Doctor wanted to wake Amy up and, presumably, have a fighting chance wherever she was.
It wasn't a seperate, conscious flesh like the gangers were. It was of the sort that deactivates when you seperate the connection.
The Doctor didn't destroy the flesh, he severed the connection. The flesh was destroyed as a result.

One continuity error - he gives a screwdriver to his ganger, but then pulls out a second one in the control room?
Or did I miss something?

Also, in response to the question about Jen transforming - the surviving gangers were accepting their humanity while Jen rejected it, hence the 'monsterification'. A fairly obvious card as there were more subtle ways they could have done it, but throughout the last two episodes when they were human they became 'stabilised' but when they were acting as gangers they looked less human.

Edit: Also, I can't help but think they're going to do something about the Doctor's "humanity" along the lines somewhere.
Also, River Song hinted that she killed the doctor, but we all know spacesuit girl killed the doctor.
Spacesuit girl is Rory and Amy's kid.
Therefore: Spacesuit girl is River Song, unless River killed another 'greatest man who ever lived'.

 

[Togs]

Everything but the last few minutes was quite dissappointing- they set up this rather awesome premise and then did little with it, and the shoe swap is so goddamned cliche that they couldnt of sign posted it any bigger, though did make the scene where Amy tells him about his death all the more interesting.
The last few minutes was just straight up narratively brilliant mindfuck, I wish they'd dropped some subtler but more comprehensive hints but it really was quite amazing.
Also again they made the Doctor himself a morally fascinating character- a humanist warrior.

 

[Captain Pirate]

I really enjoyed this weeks episode.
Favorite bit has to be where original Jimmy dies, and the clone becomes the father.
I thought that was really interesting, since they are exactly the same person, and clone Jimmy will return home with no defects to the other, with his wife and boy being none the wiser, but still... wierd to think that we, the audience, know the original died and that that one coming home is a clone.

Anyway, about that trailer in the OP....
I think I'll take a seat in the first coach of this partciular hype train.
Looks amazing. I REALLY want to see what happens to Amy's baby! It was back in 60's America, but it was an orphan, but it's also a Time Lord, but it also is in this future with the Cybermen and that Military black guy, and that weird eyepatch woman... I'm excited. And confused. But mainly excited.

 

[Scorched_Cascade]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

You know...the more things the Doctor does this series the more I'm starting to sympathise with the coalition for locking him away.

The Doctor would appear to be a horrible person from what I can tell, he's basically killed his way indiscriminately through...I'll go with 5 episodes now because episode 4 seemed very reasonable.

You might be on to something there. Maybe the Pandorica affected him? Maybe he's a little more unhinged then he previously was. Check how angry he gets during "The Doctor's wife" at two characters who pretty much haven't done anything but be there while someone else does something "bad" (auntie/uncle).

This is the first time we've seen him since Pandorica right?

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you....stranger

 

[Trolldor]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

You know...the more things the Doctor does this series the more I'm starting to sympathise with the coalition for locking him away.

The Doctor would appear to be a horrible person from what I can tell, he's basically killed his way indiscriminately through...I'll go with 5 episodes now because episode 4 seemed very reasonable.

You might be on to something there. Maybe the Pandorica affected him? Maybe he's a little more unhinged then he previously was. Check how angry he gets during "The Doctor's wife" at two characters who pretty much haven't done anything but be there while someone else does something "bad" (auntie/uncle).

This is the first time we've seen him since Pandorica right?

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you....stranger

To be fair to him, he honestly believed there were other good timelords left alive.
Opening that cupboard was the shattering of all that hope.

 

[Togs]

really dont understand all those people who get angry when the doctor kills people- have you not been watching? the Doctor is a murdering bastard, always has been- I mean he wiped out his whole species.
The Doctor is not a black & white character, he's the ultimate pragmatist.

 

[Spacewolf]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

You know...the more things the Doctor does this series the more I'm starting to sympathise with the coalition for locking him away.

The Doctor would appear to be a horrible person from what I can tell, he's basically killed his way indiscriminately through...I'll go with 5 episodes now because episode 4 seemed very reasonable.

You might be on to something there. Maybe the Pandorica affected him? Maybe he's a little more unhinged then he previously was. Check how angry he gets during "The Doctor's wife" at two characters who pretty much haven't done anything but be there while someone else does something "bad" (auntie/uncle).

This is the first time we've seen him since Pandorica right?

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you....stranger

i was actually expecting him to straight out kill them and thought he undereacted in that situation

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

This might actually be the first instance of non alternate universe Cybermen in the new seris, apart from the pandorica episode but they where really just background characters in that.

i want to know what happens with other gangers whenever they where talking about them he made it seem like some sort of revolution was going to happen

I'm pretty sure I recall the Tenth Doctor saying that the Cybermen of our own universe had become extinct. But like many other things in the last two series, this will probably get handwaved.

As to what Disaster Button has to say, it's been personally bothering me immensely that Eleven seems to suffer a lot from moral dissonances. If not a downright lack of them at times.

 

[brotherjudas]

As to what Disaster Button has to say, it's been personally bothering me immensely that Eleven seems to suffer a lot from moral dissonances. If not a downright lack of them at times.

To be frank, it's the part I personally like best about him. :3
OT: Apart from the screwdriver screw-up (if you'll pardon the pun) and the sudden monster transformation which I found completely pointless, I kind of liked today's episode. Can't wait for next week.

 

[Dumbfish1]

I'm betting river is Amy's daughter

 

[Dumbfish1]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

You know...the more things the Doctor does this series the more I'm starting to sympathise with the coalition for locking him away.

The Doctor would appear to be a horrible person from what I can tell, he's basically killed his way indiscriminately through...I'll go with 5 episodes now because episode 4 seemed very reasonable.

You might be on to something there. Maybe the Pandorica affected him? Maybe he's a little more unhinged then he previously was. Check how angry he gets during "The Doctor's wife" at two characters who pretty much haven't done anything but be there while someone else does something "bad" (auntie/uncle).

This is the first time we've seen him since Pandorica right?

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you....stranger

To be fair to him, he honestly believed there were other good timelords left alive.
Opening that cupboard was the shattering of all that hope.

I thought the point was that the Gangers he was protecting were made sentient by the solar storm. The ganger that was Amy Pond was being controlled by the real Amy Pond (Which is why she subconciously kept seeing the woman opening the hatch).

 

[Agent Larkin]

Rory is in his Roman Gear?

Whoever is holding Amy hostage is screwed now.

 

[SpikeyGirl]

I rewatched it to see if I missed anything.
Did anyone else watch the part where Ganger!Jennifer opens her mouth really big and think 'It's Kirby' and expect her to take on the guys traits after eating him?