Doctor Who Series 6: Episode 12: Closing Time [SPOILERS]

[RobCoxxy]

Personally, I think he'll still die.

They've put emphasis on "Time Being Rewritten" over the past series, I can see this being some form of alternate timeline that, to cease existing and normality be restored, the Doctor must die.

I'm still a bit sad nothing much more has been made of the secret conglomerate of Bad Guys from Demon's Run. I swore their catchy logo was a stylised Omega.

TimeLord, I hope you noticed that; and know what it could mean.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I loved this episode. The best part was Stormageddon.

I could have done without seeing Amy and Rory. I was so excited when I saw at the end of last episode that Amy and Rory were leaving for at least a few episodes and that we'd get an episode free of them. But no, they had to shoehorn that little bit about Amy selling perfume, totally not needed. They could have used it on a few more minutes of either cybermen or more Stormageddon jokes.

Arrrgh, I'll probably end up as some villain in the show that's only goal is to remove Amy and Rory from existence.

My thought... why didn't craig die and not have to have the cybermen die in such a silly way!

Because they knew that I and many other people would be pissed. Craig is cool.

So it begs the question ..... how the hell is he going to pull off a decent ending without it looking cheap and cheesy as fuck.

Knowing Moffat, I don't trust him to do something that isn't cheesy. Take last series with Amy "wishing" The Doctor back into existence.

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

I'll resurrect my thoughts from back when I first saw it, of how silly that ending felt to me. It felt like The Doctor came back and said something like this:


Moffat's ending was a disgrace to science fiction. I don't expect great things from him, he is at the bottom of the writing barrel. With how low he is it shouldn't have taken him too much effort to do better than last series.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Personally, I think he'll still die.

They've put emphasis on "Time Being Rewritten" over the past series, I can see this being some form of alternate timeline that, to cease existing and normality be restored, the Doctor must die.

The question is: How will he die and then stay the same? Since Smith has been confirmed for at least the whole of the next series.

He doesn't have an old chopped off hand of his to put the excess regeneration energy into like the 10th did in the series 4 finale.

This is why I think Moffat has wrote himself into a corner again like he did with series 5, and this finale will have another bull-crap explanation of how The Doctor survives. He can't use wished back into existence because he already pulled that crap. The only way that I will accept the whole alternate timeline thing, is if it erases Amy and Rory from the timeline, but that isn't going to happen because they also have been confirmed for next series, which will really get to me, because The Doctor needs new companions, ones that are proper and know their place, and actually listen to him in the end, instead of going going all boo-hoo and blaming him in the end.

Amy and Rory are very abusive, they are the reason he didn't believe in himself anymore.

 

[WolfThomas]

Kind of pissed of now that River shot his stetson. I liked that addition of the shush ability to his random powers (psychic headbutt anyone?).

 

[Encurtidos]

Personally, I think he'll still die.

They've put emphasis on "Time Being Rewritten" over the past series, I can see this being some form of alternate timeline that, to cease existing and normality be restored, the Doctor must die.

Time will not be rewritten because in "let's kill hitler" they said the doctors death is a fixed point in time, nothing will EVER change that. It will be interesting to see how Moffet finishes this series.

 

[Gralian]

I thought it was a bit silly. I could understand how emotion would be able to make someone resist conversion but i don't see how it would cause other cybermen to short circuit and go crazy like that. I get that we emit brainwaves but i doubt it would be "fry circuitry" level without some sort of amplification device. Also with the baby it completely removed any element of danger from the episode as you know everything has to turn out for the best. I also think the cybermen were seriously underplayed in favour of the ridiculous rat thing and they should have been given more screen time than simply hiding in the shadows of a closet. I want to see people being dragged off and deleted damnit.

 

[Kermi]

I thought it was a really great episode, and the bit with Amy as a model for that perfume was a really nice touch. The ending was a bit narm but played off ok so I forgive it.

Next week should be great.

 

[Varitel]

I liked it. It did seem a bit rushed, but I thought overall it was quite funny and it was certainly entertaining. I especially like how the Doctor almost acknowledged the silliness of the ending. I am really looking forward to next week, though. The silence are back, and I even saw some Churchill. Do you think they'll bring back Mark Sheppard as Canton Delaware?

 

[tomtom94]

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

Last of the Time Lords. That is all.

 

[ZeoAssassin]

was a really fun episode for sure. The Doctor and Craig were super fun together. Yeah i suppose the end was rushed but the cyber-men weren't really the point of the episode aside from keeping the Doctor there for it and bringing back the cybermats.

i'm with Timelord with the whole, eye-patches protect your memories of the Silence thing. the prequel you can see that the guards also have eye-patches too.

I'm not very sure about the finale being only one episode thou. That runs the risk of being rushed which with all the questions still left to be answered this season...fingers crossed i guess.

you know im thinking about the whole Church Order from series 5 as well as now and it got me thinking.

maybe the true enemy is Kovarian ans the Silence. She used the Silence to slip herself into the position of authority to get the necessary resources to kill the Doctor. The Church being mostly good in series 5 (angels 2-parter) is the Church free from the Silence but still knowing about River killing the Doctor.

eh I dunno just thinking really. There's got to be a reason that the Church was good back in series 5 but now there are clearly the Doctor's enemy.

 

[TimeLord]

Personally, I think he'll still die.

They've put emphasis on "Time Being Rewritten" over the past series, I can see this being some form of alternate timeline that, to cease existing and normality be restored, the Doctor must die.

I'm still a bit sad nothing much more has been made of the secret conglomerate of Bad Guys from Demon's Run. I swore their catchy logo was a stylised Omega.

TimeLord, I hope you noticed that; and know what it could mean.

Yes I did and yes I do

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

Last of the Time Lords. That is all.

Psychic field created by satellites, Doctor syncs with psychic satellites, gets power from other people flooding the psychic network with energy that the Doctor uses to return to his old self and wield against the Master. I liked it.

Yea it wasn't perfect, but it was a million times better than "I forgot you from existence but now I'll remember you exist so you reappear in front of me out of thin air".

At least 'Last of the Time Lords' actually had some science behind it.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

Last of the Time Lords. That is all.

Nope, that was worlds apart more believable than the Series 5 finally. That was the psychic energy of the whole of the people on planet Earth that helped The Doctor.

The Series 5 finale was a wish and a teardrop from an annoying redhead.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I didn't mind the episode. It was good to see an episode that was a bit more Doctor-based and even though I don't like Craig so much, it was a good change from the usual 2 companions.
However the ending really did feel a bit rushed to me and I think this is the third time the main enemy has been defeated by "believe in something else and the bad guy will go away!". The next episode looks good though and I'm actually glad to see Dalek's again, even though I get the feeling they'll be a one-shot cameo that was only put in for the trailer.

Also can someone explain why the Cybermen put all of Craig's body into a Cybersuit and not do the old-fashioned remove the brain and put it in a suit thing? I'm not sure if it's because the Cybermen were running low on resources (like in that Torchwood episode with the Cyberwoman) and so had to go for a simpler option or if it was because Craig was to become a Cyber-Controller so maybe the process is a bit different.

 

[Trivun]

I quite enjoyed this one, even if it was just filler. However, kind of off-topic here, I have a question regarding the end 5 minutes and A Good Man Goes To War. Recall that half the episodes we see the 51st century Anglican troops in, they support the Doctor (most notably during the Byzantium incident) and then the other half, like now or in the mid-season finale, they're working under Madame Kovarian and the Silence. So, will we find out why that's the case next week, I certainly hope so anyway

 

[RobCoxxy]

Personally, I think he'll still die.

They've put emphasis on "Time Being Rewritten" over the past series, I can see this being some form of alternate timeline that, to cease existing and normality be restored, the Doctor must die.

I'm still a bit sad nothing much more has been made of the secret conglomerate of Bad Guys from Demon's Run. I swore their catchy logo was a stylised Omega.

TimeLord, I hope you noticed that; and know what it could mean.

Yes I did and yes I do

Good lad, Sam.

And as to the people picking me out on the "Fixed point in time" thing - in an alternate timeline/universe that must be played out for normality/universe 1.0 to be restored, I'm sure a fixed point in time is that very thing. Who knows, it'll happen, but it won't have.

Somehow.

 

[tomtom94]

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

Last of the Time Lords. That is all.

Nope, that was worlds apart more believable than the Series 5 finally. That was the psychic energy of the whole of the people on planet Earth that helped The Doctor.

The Series 5 finale was a wish and a teardrop from an annoying redhead.

Psychic energy of all the people on earth (note that up until this point we had no idea that this had been Martha's intention all along) turning the Doctor into a messianic figure, thus causing time to reverse itself.

Meh, I actually kinda liked the series 5 ending. Cheesy, but it had been set up previously with the whole Rory business, so it kinda made sense. (Note: said kinda.)

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

Last of the Time Lords. That is all.

Nope, that was worlds apart more believable than the Series 5 finally. That was the psychic energy of the whole of the people on planet Earth that helped The Doctor.

The Series 5 finale was a wish and a teardrop from an annoying redhead.

Psychic energy of all the people on earth (note that up until this point we had no idea that this had been Martha's intention all along) turning the Doctor into a messianic figure, thus causing time to reverse itself.

Uh, no. Time reversed itself when they shut down the Paradox Machine. Big difference. The thing that bugs me about it is that Martha and/or The Doctor somehow knew exactly when the countdown would happen a whole year before it did. That didn't make any sense at all.

OT: Pretty good episode. I kinda hate it whenever "love" ends up saving the day, but in this case it made sense, since Craig had just become the Cyber-Leader and was plugged in to all their systems and whatnot. Much less cheesy then Craig's last episode, in my opinion.

I'm worried about the season finale though. Looks like Moffat is doing that THING again, where he introduces about 50 new characters and settings just to make things more complicated then they need to be, and the story ends up suffering for it. Like he did in "A Good Man Goes To War". Also...Why did they put River in a space suit? It made sense when she was a little dying girl and needed it to live, but now she's fine.

 

[TimeLord]

With how so many people raged against Davies' finales when he ran the show, I was astounding how few people called Moffat out on that Series 5 bull-crap ending. Davies' finales were millions of times more believable than that "wish" ending of Moffat's.

Last of the Time Lords. That is all.

Nope, that was worlds apart more believable than the Series 5 finally. That was the psychic energy of the whole of the people on planet Earth that helped The Doctor.

The Series 5 finale was a wish and a teardrop from an annoying redhead.

Psychic energy of all the people on earth (note that up until this point we had no idea that this had been Martha's intention all along) turning the Doctor into a messianic figure, thus causing time to reverse itself.

Uh, no. Time reversed itself when they shut down the Paradox Machine. Big difference. The thing that bugs me about it is that Martha and/or The Doctor somehow knew exactly when the countdown would happen a whole year before it did. That didn't make any sense at all.

Wasn't it something to do with the Doctor telling Martha a when she escaped "Use the countdown". When the Master has Martha on her knees and begins the final countdown. He says "Never could resist a ticking clock". The Doctor knew after all his encounters with the Master that he would use a countdown when executing his plan. Using the countdown allowed Martha to co-ordinate the "praying" of the human race. As I assume the execution of Martha would be televised to whoever was able to watch it either that or the Master had made it well know what day he would launch his strike. The bit I find flimsy is How Martha could know what the Doctor would do. Unless he passed on that info a year earlier.

 

[TimeLord]

Also...Why did they put River in a space suit? It made sense when she was a little dying girl and needed it to live, but now she's fine.

The whole 'River in a space suit thing' I assume is something to do with the prophecy. For example, at the end of 'Closing Time' Kovarian states "An impossible astronaut will rise from the deep, and strike the Time Lord dead". Meaning she knew how the Doctor would die even before it happened. So because time is so wibbly wobbly and that the Doctor's death is a fixed point, it means that there is a good chance that people in Kovarian's past know about an even that happens in the future. So basically, because the Doctor was killed by an astronaut, he will always be killed in that way because that's the way it happened. Kind of like the 'I'm in the Pandorica but I'm not now, but I was back then and now I'm going to free my past self even though I'm not free' style.

 

[Catfood220]

Seeing as the Doctor has a time machine that allows him to travel anywhere in time and space, surely he could avoid his death indefinately simply by not going to the date of his death. Just a thought.