Dog get's shot by police *WARNING* may upset alot of viewers.

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Wicky_42

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PhiMed said:
Police were called, rather than animal control, indicating there was some sort of incident prior to this. Dog is tied up with a chain.

I'm not going to assume animal cruelty here. For all we know, this dog bit someone in a high risk location and was going to be killed so his brain could be examined for evidence of rabies anyway.

That being said, I can't say definitively that it was not unwarranted, either. There's just too little information here, but I'm inclined to give these officers a pass.
http://www.hannibal.net/news/x1600620381/LaGrange-dog-owner-vows-to-fight-for-law-changes
Information! Just a little up the page! The dog growled at some kid, the police got called, the dog got stressed, the police put it down. Doesn't seem fair to me, really.
 

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It's a dog. He deserves a kick in the ass, and to be officially named 'officer F. Idiot' for a month. Doesn't deserve to lose his job.
 

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Why the hell were the police there? Why not animal control? The police were REALLY STUPID on this occassion. You had the dog caught on the pole, so at that moment it couldn't harm anyone. So why shoot it? And why not use tranq. darts? They we're prepared enough to bring the pole, but not a tranq. gun? That's just incredibly stupid.

Broke my heart to see the dogs tail wag after the first shot.
 

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PhiMed said:
Wicky_42 said:
arc1991 said:
Please add this new article to the OP:
http://www.hannibal.net/news/x1600620381/LaGrange-dog-owner-vows-to-fight-for-law-changes
mindlesspuppet found it, needs reading to get people to stop talking about it just being a couple of videos, lol.
Hmmm. Okay. I still say that people who say he wasn't acting aggressively at all haven't been around dogs very much. I agree that this dog didn't have to die, but I blame his owner rather than the officers who were called to handle his undisciplined, unrestrained dog that he shouldn't have had anyway.
Ok, fair point of view. There is a case to be made, though, that it died because the cops couldn't be arsed to deal with it properly, or that it was made an example of to warn others who haven't bothered registering their animals - neither of which are just or humane ways to treat an animal's life, imo.
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
I could post a video of a serial rapist getting shot by police and leave the comment: 'homeless man offends cop - is shot dead' and, considering how quick everyone here is to blindly follow in suit, you'd believe it.

Silly.
To make that situation parallel to this one, the rapist would have to be handcuffed to a pole, then executed by the police officer. I don't think that video would go over well at all.
What? If someone raped my daughter I'd probably cuff him to a poll and shoot him. And I wouldn't feel bad for it either.
And for the record I think that serial pedophiles should get the death penalty.
No, I'm not trolling because I KNOW someone would have posted a picture of a troll. And probably will anyways. :p
 

PhiMed

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Wicky_42 said:
PhiMed said:
Police were called, rather than animal control, indicating there was some sort of incident prior to this. Dog is tied up with a chain.

I'm not going to assume animal cruelty here. For all we know, this dog bit someone in a high risk location and was going to be killed so his brain could be examined for evidence of rabies anyway.

That being said, I can't say definitively that it was not unwarranted, either. There's just too little information here, but I'm inclined to give these officers a pass.
http://www.hannibal.net/news/x1600620381/LaGrange-dog-owner-vows-to-fight-for-law-changes
Information! Just a little up the page! The dog growled at some kid, the police got called, the dog got stressed, the police put it down. Doesn't seem fair to me, really.
Already edited and commented, but thanks.

I'm still not too upset about it, because the dog does appear to be trying to attack the officer with the collar. With a history of aggression supported by multiple neighbors, we don't know what was going through their heads. The people who're yelling

<quote=angry poster>Gwaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr kill them then fire them then burn them
probably don't have jobs where they put themselves in any danger whatsoever. Things could've been handled better, but I'd rather a police officer err on the side of caution for their own safety than do the same for the safety of a dog.
 

PhiMed

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Wicky_42 said:
PhiMed said:
Wicky_42 said:
arc1991 said:
Please add this new article to the OP:
http://www.hannibal.net/news/x1600620381/LaGrange-dog-owner-vows-to-fight-for-law-changes
mindlesspuppet found it, needs reading to get people to stop talking about it just being a couple of videos, lol.
Hmmm. Okay. I still say that people who say he wasn't acting aggressively at all haven't been around dogs very much. I agree that this dog didn't have to die, but I blame his owner rather than the officers who were called to handle his undisciplined, unrestrained dog that he shouldn't have had anyway.
Ok, fair point of view. There is a case to be made, though, that it died because the cops couldn't be arsed to deal with it properly, or that it was made an example of to warn others who haven't bothered registering their animals - neither of which are just or humane ways to treat an animal's life, imo.
Well, judging from the fact that the guy with the collar clearly had never operated that device before, I'm more inclined to think that their thought process was "Holy shit what do I do? Ahhh! Fuck! BAM!" rather than, "I'll show these bastards to register their animals. MUAH HAHAHAHA! (twirling mustache)"
 
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I know nothing about this dog from watching that clip. It could be rabid, in which case it needs to be put down.

It could have done any number of things beofre this, including attacked people, which means it needs to be put down. Even the second video which shows everything the police are doing is not proof enough of what the dog has done.

It could have belonged to someone who was using it to attack people, which means it would be put down.

There are so many logical explanations for why it was chained to the truck, and why the police had to be called in, and why they might have had to shoot it, that I cannot call judgement on this.

Where I live the police have a unit trained to deal with animals that get called in, and sometimes their job involves having to put the animal down on the spot, depending on the situation. For all we know these police could be from an equivalent unit, and thus trained to handle situations like this.

Give me the briefing they received, instead of more videos, and we'll talk.

Even rereading that article posted as well, I just don't buy it. There are too many holes in the owner's story. And watching the video, before getting the noose on it I would call its behaviour aggressive, possibly charging to attack. And pit bulls are dangerous dogs.
 

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If this was posted by an animal rights group, with no sound. I believe that this could be staged.

We all know that groups like PETA kill waaay more animals than they save, about 86%. Who's to say they didn't impersonate officers, and did this themselves so they can attack the police?
 

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PhiMed said:
Wicky_42 said:
Well, judging from the fact that the guy with the collar clearly had never operated that device before, I'm more inclined to think that their thought process was "Holy shit what do I do? Ahhh! Fuck! BAM!" rather than, "I'll show these bastards to register their animals. MUAH HAHAHAHA! (twirling mustache)"
Lol - though the 'bam' came after the dog had calmed down - that's when you muzzle it or shove it in the van, I would have thought. Then again, as you said in your other comment above, they probably judged that it was too much of a risk and needed immediate direct action. I can appreciate that judgement, if not agree ethically.
 

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jackknife402 said:
If this was posted by an animal rights group, with no sound. I believe that this could be staged.

We all know that groups like PETA kill waaay more animals than they save, about 86%. Who's to say they didn't impersonate officers, and did this themselves so they can attack the police?
It's not by an animal rights group, it's someone asking to support the ASPCA.
 

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I know nothing about this dog from watching that clip. It could be rabid, in which case it needs to be put down.

It could have done any number of things beofre this, including attacked people, which means it needs to be put down. Even the second video which shows everything the police are doing is not proof enough of what the dog has done.

It could have belonged to someone who was using it to attack people, which means it would be put down.

There are so many logical explanations for why it was chained to the truck, and why the police had to be called in, and why they might have had to shoot it, that I cannot call judgement on this.

Where I live the police have a unit trained to deal with animals that get called in, and sometimes their job involves having to put the animal down on the spot, depending on the situation. For all we know these police could be from an equivalent unit, and thus trained to handle situations like this.

Give me the mission briefing they received, instead of more videos, and we'll talk.
Maybe the article will help? Scroll down on the OP
 

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Rapists deserve to be murdered. They forfeit their right to life.
And the ones who are later found to be innocent either due to bad/lazy policing, over reliance on fallible tech or sadly pure malice on the part of the 'victim' (it does seem to happen with a regularity) ?

What about statutory rape (wether it be 2 15 year olds or an underage female who represents herself as over Age of Consent) ? Or my personal favourite in this country which is the right of a female to claim post-sex rape as she felt she was too drunk to make a decision well?
 

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1) For all we know, the police officers may have personally witnessed Satan come down and posess the poor dog. The video doesn't give any evidence otherwise.

2) Would you like it better if they took it to the pound, where it'd sit for a week before the pound ends up putting it down?

3) It is quite common to put a dog down the old-fashioned way. I have a couple of friends who did it themselves. There's zero chance of survival when done properly and the dog can stay right where it's comfortable, instead of dying in a cold, sterile lab it's never seen before.
 

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Some people discharge their anger on dogs because they have an inferiority issue or something similar... this is just sadism.
 

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After reviewing the news articles, I've come to the conclusion that it's a very tricky case, but it's largely the fault of the owner for failing to register or leash the dog. This is a man who was convicted of animal abuse in 2007, regardless of whether that case holds weight or not, he should've known the procedures necessary to keep a dog (especially since he did it for his other dogs, but failed to do it with this one). According to a neighbour, the dog had 'chased someone' previously but I don't really know what that fully implies so I won't comment on it. The city code is pretty basic on the matter, ?any dog(s) that has the appearance and characteristics of being predominantly aggressive? is a vicious canine. The police obviously didn't handle the situation that well, but this is not a case of police being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive. As one of them points out, he thought it was the best way to protect the neighbourhood, and he wasn't sadistic about it, he shoot the dog in the head after the initial shot ?because I didn?t want the dog to suffer.? He might have overreacted, but he made a judgement call, police have to make tough choices sometimes. This could've all been avoided had the owner followed proper procedure.
Thank you for actually getting me some facts on this before I commented. This is a lot more clear than a low quality youtube video without sound.

It was a judgement call on the cops part, and considering that police deal with armed violent people and rabid animals regularly, I will not hold this against them. These choices are hard and if I were there, I don't know what I would do; all they were told was that there was a vicious canine. Being tied to a truck shows either signs of abuse or neglect as well, so the situation was sketchy from the start.

However, I will say that the handler of the video edited the sound out for the SOLE reason to make the police look "evil." For dogs, aggressiveness is rarely seen but is heard. I have gone to pet dogs before and have gotten low growls without facial movement. The video was made to be misleading and for that whoever made it had an agenda.