Dog get's shot by police *WARNING* may upset alot of viewers.

[brucelee13245]

http://www.whig.com/story/news/LaGrange-Dog-Trial and http://www.wgem.com/global/story.asp?s=12642564

Here are a couple of links, now considering what i found in them, if the police get a call that there's a dog running around and has attacked people, tho it may not seem like at the time, officer have to approach the situation with the mindset that what they will encounter is a vicious dog ready to attack. As well as my comment above, the type of dog is a Pitbull. Pitbull's are known the be very aggressive animals and personally, if I was an officer approaching a situation involving a pitbull, i would have a fairly more cautious mindset going into the situation. Now, yea from our point of view it might seem way excessive but you have to understand, when on the job precaution might be the only difference between being mauled by a dog or making it out unharmed. And also, anyone saying that t hey had the dog collared, why shoot it? "It eventually broke the chain attached to the truck, Howell said." That is one of the officers regarding loading the dog into the animal control truck. First article i posted.

 

[Keela]

It's like you're assuming that just because he's a serial rapist automatically makes it ok to murder him...

Rapists deserve to be murdered. They forfeit their right to life.

A bit extreme but I can agree. Sometimes leaving them in a cell isn't the best option considering some of the sickwads have no conscience. And honestly I'd rather they be removed from society

No rapist has a concious; if they did they wouldn't do it. Alcohol is no excuse for the scum to me.

OT: Well, from both videos it looks like they killed it because it was a bit growly. But to be honest I can't give a toss about an animal being killed; I've always been wary around big dogs and other such pets, because several people where I live have been bitten by them.

I respectfully disagree with the alcohol thing. People very often do stuff they regret later when they're drunk; it severely impairs judgement. You should know, you're Scottish, aren't you?

I didn't mean that in the slightest, just a joke. You can call me a fat idiot for being American, because that one's actually true.

Right now, all I can say is that, being an animal friendly sort of guy, I'm inclined to go with the "kick them off the force" option. However, I also kind of want to go into law enforcement someday... so I'm pretty much breaking even on bias here. It's an unfortunate and generally shitty event, but so are many other things that happen every day. Every situation has moral grey area, and this one's no exception. I hate seeing an animal killed, especially executed, and I can't really see how it was a threat. Didn't look like it would have tried to kill all the officers on its own, animals usually aren't that stupid. Maybe I'm on the dog's side, I guess.

 

[bad rider]

The fault lies with the stupid fucking handler, who is too afraid of the dog to do anything sensible while his accomplice fuckwit does nothing to control the situation.

They sent an inexperienced officer to deal with dogs. This is what happens.

 

[Kukakkau]

Also BIG note - the rotund officer is holding a STUN gun the whole time - a weapon designed to incap a human briefly that could have easily subdued a dog

... which stopped being an option the instant his partner was connected to the dog by a big METAL pole

Did you watch the video at all? Any idiot can see the dog is clearly not rabid.

Oh, great, you're a veterinarian! Well, then that's it: The definitive word on his infection status!

OT: Narrow shot. No sound. No context.

Dog is clearly trying to get at the officer with the collar.

Police were called, rather than animal control, indicating there was some sort of incident prior to this. Dog is tied up with a chain.

I'm not going to assume animal cruelty here. For all we know, this dog bit someone in a high risk location and was going to be killed so his brain could be examined for evidence of rabies anyway.

That being said, I can't say definitively that it was not unwarranted, either. There's just too little information here, but I'm inclined to give these officers a pass.

Edit: After reading the article about the incident, I'm pretty sure he wasn't rabid, but I still give them a pass.

Yes because heaven forbid the officer says "okay the needles are in, let go and I'll turn it on" - just because video has no sound doesn't mean they can't talk

Also second video in OP shows the dog acting fine around people and letting them pet it

Why should they get a pass for shooting a non-rabid dog - that from what I've read - it's biggest offense was barking at people?

 

[Nocturnal Gentleman]

I can't be upset at the officers simply because whenever police are called out for an animal it's usually because the animal seems to potentially have or shows aggression. In such a situation an animal may appear friendly on the scene, but its personality could be very different if you give it a chance. In this event I highly doubt that dog was friendly seeing as how his owner was an animal abuser. Putting the dog in the pound would have probably ended in the same result.

The only time police officers shooting an animal pisses me off is when they're called to shoot a wild animal that killed someone in an area they were warned away from in the first place.

 

[Quaidis]

Did everyone just look at the two silent videos, or read the article before posting? The article says that there is 60 minutes of previous footage not present in the videos posted, where the dog breaks free from its chain, rushes the officers, and causes all sorts of havoc to those present. That the dog snapped at and threatened a mother and her daughter - and it's only mentioned by the 'poor' owner that the one threatened mother managed to chain up the dog while the cops went to get their equipment, which suggests it was running at large before that. That the dog was caught previously chasing the neighbor's husband. That the dog was seen free roaming plenty of times previous to the incident. That the guy who owned the dog had to pay 100+ USD in court costs because he 'failed to leash or muzzle a viscous dog'.


That and there were a shit-ton of cops there. Something must have happened during the 60 minutes of unseen footage for that many police officers to randomly show up. Would everyone have been happier if the dog, say, mauled a cop before they shot it? Or how about that little kid before the cops showed up?



That said, if you're going to own an unregistered bullybreed dog, don't let it roam around freely in the area endangering the populous. And if it's going to be free and randomly growls and runs at unsuspecting neighbors like it may possibly have rabies, don't be surprised when the cops show up to put it down.

 

[Nouw]

Give me more information. No seriously, I can't judge this as I have a terrible feeling this is very biased.

 

[bad rider]

I can't be upset at the officers simply because whenever police are called out for an animal it's usually because the animal seems to potentially have or shows aggression. In such a situation an animal may appear friendly on the scene, but its personality could be very different if you give it a chance. In this event I highly doubt that dog was friendly seeing as how his owner was an animal abuser. Putting the dog in the pound would have probably ended in the same result.

The only time police officers shooting an animal pisses me off is when they're called to shoot a wild animal that killed someone in an area they were warned away from in the first place.

The officer was so afraid of the animal he couldn't deal with it properly, even when he eventually hooked the animal it was pulling him about. A twelve year old with a dog can keep a dog stationary on a lead. The officers obviously have little/no experience with animals, this then lead to the dog being shot. Why? Because it backed away from the guy trying to hook it with a long metal pole. What I don't understand is who sent someone so clearly inexperienced out instead of someone with experience with animals?

 

[Ickorus]

Im gonna go by the first video alone and the moment the shot was fired, the dog appeared to be under control, it was on the stick and it was standing still for several seconds. Due to the lack of sound in the video I don't know if it was growling or not but it was still under control.

So going by that judgement alone im gonna have to say they could have brought it to the vet and what would have been, would have been. It's completely invalid whether the dog was rabid, eaten a kids face, nuked a small south african country or slept with the officers wife, it was still wrong for him to take the shot like that.

It's pretty clearly a case of a cop wanting to flex his powers. In the report no one would have blinked an eye, the dog was being aggressive and he made the decision to remove the threat, im willing to bet he didn't realise there was a camera on him the whole time to show that he had the animal under control and lethal force was not required.

Now ladies and gentlemen, that is how to be objective.

 

[bad rider]

Did everyone just look at the two silent videos, or read the article before posting? The article says that there is 60 minutes of previous footage not present in the videos posted, where the dog breaks free from its chain, rushes the officers, and causes all sorts of havoc to those present. That the dog snapped at and threatened a mother and her daughter - and it's only mentioned by the 'poor' owner that the one threatened mother managed to chain up the dog while the cops went to get their equipment, which suggests it was running at large before that. That the dog was caught previously chasing the neighbor's husband. That the dog was seen free roaming plenty of times previous to the incident. That the guy who owned the dog had to pay 100+ USD in court costs because he 'failed to leash or muzzle a viscous dog'.


That and there were a shit-ton of cops there. Something must have happened during the 60 minutes of unseen footage for that many police officers to randomly show up. Would everyone have been happier if the dog, say, mauled a cop before they shot it? Or how about that little kid before the cops showed up?



That said, if you're going to own an unregistered bullybreed dog, don't let it roam around freely in the area endangering the populous. And if it's going to be free and randomly growls and runs at unsuspecting neighbors like it may possibly have rabies, don't be surprised when the cops show up to put it down.

Sorry I'm going into internet ass-hole mode, so you know "forgive me father I know not what I do."

?It was growling at my six-year-old,? Coleman testified. ?I wanted my kid to be safe and myself to be safe.?

So first of all, if it was a six year old and a dog I'm going to take a random guess and say the six year old walked up to try to pet the doggy. That's a guess but it happens more often than not. The dog being loose being approached by a stranger growled. Shock, fucking, horror what did you think it would do? Clearly the thing wasn't aggressive because
"Mays pointed out that the dog could not have been too angry because Coleman chained it at her home while Howell and Powell went to get special equipment used in handling animals."

So the dog wasn't going out on the town for a brawl and delicious human snacks, it was loose and didn't want stranger approaching it. Then it gets chained to a truck.

"Howell testified that the dog growled as he tried to load it into a truck, that it later broke free from a chain tied to the vehicle and eventually charged as he tried to capture it with a six-foot catchpole."

Well after reviewing the footage, it was chained to the truck, and the officer pussy footed about trying to hook the dog with a metal pole. The dog frightened ran away, as the officer continued to approach it, it snapped and growled at him. A cornered animal trying to get a stranger to leave it alone? Not unreasonable. The officer after hooking the dog, had it, sort of, under control so decided that it was the perfect chance to put a bullet in it. I say sort of, because for some reason the officer couldn't hold the dog still, until by the dogs own accord it stopped moving. Clear case of officer without experience with dogs.

 

[Dastardly]

Considering it is chained up on a nearby car i highly doubt it.

Tell me: where was the dog prior to this? What is the dog's history? Who is the dog's owner? What were the police officers saying to one another?

Oh yeah, that's right, you don't know.

Informed opinions are the way to go. Regurgitating hate you found posted on the internet is a sure-fire way to live a misinformed life.

I could post a video of a serial rapist getting shot by police and leave the comment: 'homeless man offends cop - is shot dead' and, considering how quick everyone here is to blindly follow in suit, you'd believe it.

Silly.

Regardless, it would have been better for animal control--the people equipped for such things--to handle the dog if the dog was a threat. In fact, if the dog was any kind of threat, the cops shouldn't have gotten within arms' reach at all. As careful as cops are trained to be with human subjects because of bloodborne disease, they should be more careful with an animal whose only means of attack/defense is to bite.

But really, I just hope the dog's innocent.

 

[superbatranger]

So, that video only shows around 10 minutes, but reportedly the entire incident took around an hour. Which means we don't know the entire story. Something could have happened before the police arrived, or maybe nothing happened. We can't jump to conclusions because we don't know the entire story behind the incident. Could the cops have handled the situation differently? Perhaps. But, since we don't know everything that happened, we can't say for sure.

 

[Wewt]

After reviewing the news articles, I've come to the conclusion that it's a very tricky case, but it's largely the fault of the owner for failing to register or leash the dog. This is a man who was convicted of animal abuse in 2007, regardless of whether that case holds weight or not, he should've known the procedures necessary to keep a dog (especially since he did it for his other dogs, but failed to do it with this one). According to a neighbour, the dog had 'chased someone' previously but I don't really know what that fully implies so I won't comment on it. The city code is pretty basic on the matter, ?any dog(s) that has the appearance and characteristics of being predominantly aggressive? is a vicious canine. The police obviously didn't handle the situation that well, but this is not a case of police being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive. As one of them points out, he thought it was the best way to protect the neighbourhood, and he wasn't sadistic about it, he shoot the dog in the head after the initial shot ?because I didn?t want the dog to suffer.? He might have overreacted, but he made a judgement call, police have to make tough choices sometimes. This could've all been avoided had the owner followed proper procedure.

This is the first reasonable post I've read in this entire thread.
I'm serious, all the other ones go to either one extreme or another.

Oh, great, you're a veterinarian! Well, then that's it: The definitive word on his infection status!

A bit off topic, but a dog with rabies isn't exactly hard to identify.

 

[bad rider]

Considering it is chained up on a nearby car i highly doubt it.

Tell me: where was the dog prior to this? What is the dog's history? Who is the dog's owner? What were the police officers saying to one another?

Oh yeah, that's right, you don't know.

Informed opinions are the way to go. Regurgitating hate you found posted on the internet is a sure-fire way to live a misinformed life.

I could post a video of a serial rapist getting shot by police and leave the comment: 'homeless man offends cop - is shot dead' and, considering how quick everyone here is to blindly follow in suit, you'd believe it.

Silly.

If you show a 6 minute clip of a man not doing anything aggressive, then he gets shot by the police then it's still wrong whether he shoots a priest, child molester or priest who is a child molester. Why? Shooting someone without a weapon would be classed as unreasonable force.

 

[ryai458]

I am going to assume that the dog was rabid and they where taking it to be put down so when it was struggling they where just like screw it.

 

[Nocturnal Gentleman]

The officer was so afraid of the animal he couldn't deal with it properly, even when he eventually hooked the animal it was pulling him about. A twelve year old with a dog can keep a dog stationary on a lead. The officers obviously have little/no experience with animals, this then lead to the dog being shot. Why? Because it backed away from the guy trying to hook it with a long metal pole. What I don't understand is who sent someone so clearly inexperienced out instead of someone with experience with animals?

Little experience or no, a dog on a lead can still turn on you. I've helped train aggressive dogs. Trust me, some of the meanest dogs can seem very friendly or shy. Also, not knowing about how the animal would behave would of course make the officers cautious. I bet that dog was very aggressive in the past and the neighbors told them that. As I said before, when people call on cops for animal cases they are usually terrified of the animal. They want the animal shot.

Even if they sent out trained handlers, as I mentioned before, the inevitable stay at the pound would probably kill this dog anyway. They have a hard enough time getting friendly animals homes they aren't going to waste their time with a mean one.

 

[mr_rubino]

Rapists deserve to be murdered. They forfeit their right to life.

And the ones who are later found to be innocent either due to bad/lazy policing, over reliance on fallible tech or sadly pure malice on the part of the 'victim' (it does seem to happen with a regularity) ?

What about statutory rape (wether it be 2 15 year olds or an underage female who represents herself as over Age of Consent) ? Or my personal favourite in this country which is the right of a female to claim post-sex rape as she felt she was too drunk to make a decision well?

You think too much. If we have to kill 100 innocents to make sure 1 guilty man is put to death for a crime that is in no way related to the taking of a human life [!], then that is the risk of living in a logical and civilized society.

 

[JoJo]

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As someone with a younger sister of about that age, I can confirm that you never want a dog like that near your child. Even if the dog is unlikely to be a threat, it's not worth risking a kid's life to just to give a potentially dangerous dog a chance. From the information I've heard I'm glad the dog was shot, so the residents of it's neighborhood can live in peace and safety.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Those cops did exactly what they were supposed to. If the police get a call about an animal and they can't find an owner right away, they are supposed to shoot it.

Ummmm...no. Just, no. That is NOT protocol for dealing with dogs. Perhaps with some forms of wildlife, but NOT POTENTIAL PETS. There is an animal control portion of law enforcement that they contact, at which point professional animal handlers take the animal away from the scene and observe them under more rigid conditions. It is at this point that they make any decisions regarding the future of the animal. Under extreme circumstances cops will shoot dogs, but there isn't a whole lot of context in the video. I have no idea how extreme the situation may or may not have been. I find stray dogs all the time and can't find their owner right away, and I couldn't fathom killing one or having one killed because their owner may be at work, picking up kids, doing laundry, or any number of other things that might be requiring their immediate attention. If I can't find their owner within a few hours, I'll call my local vet so they can inspect the dog and help locate the owner or a new home.

I can't really say how I feel about this video because I have no idea what the dog did or didn't do. Chances are high, however, that these cops are morons (yeah, yeah, I know..."Aren't they all, derp?") and are breaking the laws that they are out to enforce. Go figure. I have a feeling that the dog breed and size have something to do with their reaction because if they ran across either of

Spoiler: my furry little bastard children

they'd have a totally different reaction. Shit, they'd probably steal my dogs and take them home, because that's how fucking rad corgis are.

To reiterate:
1. Regardless of the situation, it's sad when cops shoot dogs.
2. There is no way to know whether or not this was justified by the video, so reserve judgment for further evidence.
3. These cops are PROBABLY morons.
4. Corgis are fucking rad.