Don't go to college (if you're in college, drop out)

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Chemical Alia

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zelda2fanboy said:
Chemical Alia said:
I have a master's degree and I'm about $90k in the hole with student loans, and if I could go back in time and do it again I wouldn't change a thing. Even though a degree isn't required in my field, I am better educated and more well-rounded than if I hadn't gone to college and this has made me a better artist. Sorry to hear life sucks so badly for you.
Hey, you learned a useful skill. I can't business anybody. If you had done what many on this forum believed was "correct," you could have gone into a more practical scientific field and become the useless shell of a person that I am. No one should waste their time and money on a degree for something that they have no passion for. The people I've heard of who had positive enjoyable collegiate experiences did so because they were doing something they loved anyways. Maybe I should have put that in the OP.
Yeah, that's one of the worst things about college, that they don't give students any guidance whatsoever towards possible vocations that they can use with their studies. Being academically well-rounded is one thing, but getting a job is probably more important. Finding the right balance between practicality and doing what you actually enjoy is something that not many college graduates do, and that is unfortunate. And I know plenty of other people with fine art degrees who will probably never be able to support themselves with art because they didn't prepare themselves for a real career.
 

Fatboy_41

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You're working 20 hours a week. What do you do for the other 20, being a normal 40 hour work week. If it were me, I'd take more courses. Take your education even further again. There are shitloads of online courses to pick from. I'm a fully qualifyed electrician. I've also studied fitness, nutrition and personal training. I have a medium rigid vehicle license, including carriage of dangerous goods and commonwealth explosives and I'm qualifyed for difficult terrain driving. I have tickets to serve alcohol, I've dabbled in direct sales and I'm only 25.

All those extra qualifications came while I was working full time as a sparky. And they're just the things I have paperwork for. You can learn a ton of stuff simply by heading down to the library one day. It's even free.

There is nothing wrong with an education. And having more simply opens up even more job options. Cast a wide net and you're sure to catch something.
 

Shivarage

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zelda2fanboy said:
Lol. Essay writing is probably what brought me here to do this in the first place. I don't like to think of anyone as "brainwashed drones" though. I was like them once, cautiously believing what I was doing was what was best for me. Everyone is worthwhile and capable of useful thought. Everyone here, "educated" or not, deserves a chance.
Don't get me wrong, I do know people have the chance, they just won't take it... heck, I'm not "educated" and still know better than my friends who graduated and are now doing minimum wage jobs - needless to say they are very embarrassed because of all the times they told me I was wrong when I said they weren't guaranteed anything with a degree

It's just that everyone was told to get a degree to avoid minimum wage jobs, now that they do, suddenly society is calling them "entitled brats" for not taking minimum wage jobs
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
I recently applied to work at the local Pepsi warehouse which paid $13 an hour. At my workplace, I overheard someone mentioning that their friend got a job there. This friend never graduated high school. So yeah, don't bother going to school. Waste of your time and money. There's no defense of it. The only way I have the shit job I have now is because my dad worked there and complained to my old boss enough to hire me.
I can tell you right now that in my state:

Under 30, college degree: Shit Job

Under 30, no college degree: No job

Your co-workers friend probably got that job through some form of nepotism. Most entry level positions for minimum wage don't give your resume a second look if you don't have at least a Bachelor's and 1-3 years experience in a particular field. Having a college degree ensures better chances of a job, even if it's just scrubbing toilets.
 

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Yes, because the misfortunes of one individual should be a lesson to everybody.

While I respect your right to reiterate the point that life will knock anybody down without remorse no matter how good they've been, it shouldn't be a lesson for people to stop trying.
 

zelda2fanboy

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Well, my non-educated friends and family, as well as the educated ones, are all finding jobs. If you're not, something's wrong, and it's not the job market or the higher education system. Somehow you're less attractive than the other candidates, and are going to stay unemployed until you change that. If you continue to deflect suggestions or criticisms, or come up with excuses for why x, y, and z aren't working for you, it will only divert your energy and time from addressing your actual problem. The best thing you can do is get off this forum and do some serious introspection, figure out what you're doing wrong, and correct it. That's all I can say that will help you.
Where do you live? I want to go to there. The real reason I can't find a job is that I have no connections to "get me a job" and this sickens me. Believe me, I have PLENTY of time for introspection. It's just Sunday and I have nothing better to do. Anonymously yelling at people online is fun every once in awhile.
 

zelda2fanboy

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Electric and Electronic Engineering, the 95% figure is for people who do the degree at the specific Uni, not a blanket figure for all EEE students worldwide.

Queens University in Belfast.
That is a good one. I think there are jobs for that even in my little crappy corner of the world. (Probably still wouldn't get them, but that's just my own negativity speaking.) I just like to hear how the grass is greener sometimes.
 

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Fatboy_41 said:
You're working 20 hours a week. What do you do for the other 20, being a normal 40 hour work week. If it were me, I'd take more courses. Take your education even further again. There are shitloads of online courses to pick from. I'm a fully qualifyed electrician. I've also studied fitness, nutrition and personal training. I have a medium rigid vehicle license, including carriage of dangerous goods and commonwealth explosives and I'm qualifyed for difficult terrain driving. I have tickets to serve alcohol, I've dabbled in direct sales and I'm only 25.

All those extra qualifications came while I was working full time as a sparky. And they're just the things I have paperwork for. You can learn a ton of stuff simply by heading down to the library one day. It's even free.

There is nothing wrong with an education. And having more simply opens up even more job options. Cast a wide net and you're sure to catch something.
Yeah, but not before going broke. I don't want to go into debt more for something that has yet to yield me any benefit. Four years and 11 grand is a lot of time, work, and money.
 

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Mortons4ck said:
I can tell you right now that in my state:

Under 30, college degree: Shit Job

Under 30, no college degree: No job

Your co-workers friend probably got that job through some form of nepotism. Most entry level positions for minimum wage don't give your resume a second look if you don't have at least a Bachelor's and 1-3 years experience in a particular field. Having a college degree ensures better chances of a job, even if it's just scrubbing toilets.
That's exactly what I have. Over 3 years experience plus a bachelors degree and I can't get a job in a warehouse doing easier work than I do now. It is maddening.
 

Loud Hawk

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Just because you can't get a job, doesn't mean other people can't. Just try your best to get some contacts.

I am extremely lucky, I have a guarantied job, paying $170,00 a year when I am done here.

But all you have to do is keep you head up and try to be positive, and you will find something sooner or later.
 

Rin Little

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Congratulations you found out life isn't fair, now deal with it. Go sign up with some temporary agencies and they'll find something, even if it's mindless office work, they'll find something for you. If you hadn't gone to college and gotten that "worthless" degree you wouldn't even have a chance at finding something better.
 

Shivarage

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Scammed? Lol. It isn't a scam. Picking what was possibly the wrong degree and not being able to get a job doesn't make it a scam. They didn't sell you a job, they sold you education. Don't start some self-entitled whining about how it was a scam because you didn't get a job.
I would just like to point out that the loans system benefits the richest most of all, the richer people will take less time to pay back their loans thus will pay less overall while the poorer people will rack up the interest and end up paying back like 3 times as much

Isn't it a lovely system? xD
 

Shivarage

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Rin Little said:
Congratulations you found out life isn't fair, now deal with it. Go sign up with some temporary agencies and they'll find something, even if it's mindless office work, they'll find something for you. If you hadn't gone to college and gotten that "worthless" degree you wouldn't even have a chance at finding something better.
Lies... lies and utter manipulative drivel
 

CODE-D

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Couldnt possibly be that a business degree is uber popular and the least useful.
 

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You seemed to have went to college/university under the impression that it is for the degree, and not for the education in itself, and that somehow the degree entitles one to a job, rather than the university being a place for improving oneself or one's skill set. That's unfortunate, and I can understand your frustration.

You need to figure out what kind of work you want to do, and how your skill set can help in such a thing. For example, I want to go into publishing and editing, and I want to draw and write comics and graphic novels, and so, I'm finishing up my degree in Philosophy. Will I get a job when I graduate? Not bloody likely. But to get a job requires work, lots of networking, and lots of going 'the-extra-mile' to impress potential employers. I'll keep working with whatever I've got while I work on getting employed somewhere a bit more lucrative.

If you are simply just throwing out resumes and expecting somebody to pick you up, you're only going to continue to be frustrated, because everyone does that and employers don't care. You're simply the same as anyone else, just another piece of paper. It's not easy, but it is better to try to understand things as they are, and work to figure out what one can do to make one's situation better, than to simply mope about how the world "isn't fair".
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
Hey, you learned a useful skill. I can't business anybody. If you had done what many on this forum believed was "correct," you could have gone into a more practical scientific field and become the useless shell of a person that I am. No one should waste their time and money on a degree for something that they have no passion for. The people I've heard of who had positive enjoyable collegiate experiences did so because they were doing something they loved anyways. Maybe I should have put that in the OP.
Why the hell did you choose to a degree you have no interest in? I really don't see the point of that. I'm 18 months into a 4 year degree in physics but I'm doing that because I love physics and want to go ahead and do research if I get high enough grades to qualify for a PhD and so on.

The way I've always looked at it is that the only point in going getting a degree is to do further study in a subject area you like and want to work in.
 

Shivarage

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Did you know that everything that benefits the rich is part of a single grand conspiracy as opposed to sometimes being happenstance? True story. Every time one party benefits more than another it is automatically a scam. Nothing stupid about that kind of logic, it goes right along with making a proper tinfoil hat.
Harharhar

Sorry mate, if you aren't born rich then you definately aren't going to join the rich, I come to this conclusion because you are an elitist who defends the rich with all the fibre of his being

I would like to hear about something that doesn't benefit the rich for once, care to oblige?