Don't say that's retarded, it hurts special kids feelings NOT ABOUT CALLING SPECIAL KIDS RETARDED

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Bat Vader

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Daveman said:
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Daveman said:
I don't give a shit about these things. Generally I don't mean it as an insult (or more specifically I don't mean for anybody to be insulted by it). People don't understand the nature of the English language, that you can say something with a literal meaning in a dictionary and NOT mean that thing.

I don't care if I offend people accidentally, I don't mean to so they can get over it, if they can't get over it then fuck them and I'm glad I offended them because they deserve it.
I see. So even though I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and Osteoarthritis in both my feet, knees, right elbow, left jaw, and two fingers and that most days doing the simplest of things can put me in a lot of pain that I should not feel offended if someone refers to me as a cripple because they did it accidentally?
I'm not sure you understand the premise of my argument here. It's about calling people retarded who aren't actually retarded and actual retarded people getting offended by the use of the word retarded as an insult (I like repetition :D). So if you are actually disabled I'm not sure the situation applies. I'm generally talking about like if I was to say I'm a cripple because I stubbed my toe or something and you were there and got offended by me using that word. In that case you're reading a whole load more into something that I said than is necessary.

That said, you are free to feel offended by that, hell I'm offended by people eating baked beans near me. Just don't expect me to lose any sleep over some offhand statement I make upsetting you.

If I were to use "cripple" to directly insult you, as I think you were describing, then obviously I would want you to be offended, that's sort of the point of an insult.

Not entirely sure how somebody could accidentally call you a cripple though so... I'm lost on that one.
It has happened before. Usually because the person calling me it didn't know it could be seen as offensive. It mainly happened back in middle school and high school. I don't really get angry. I just tell them never to refer to me as that because I see it as equal parts insulting and pity. Sorry if I seemed hostile before. I usually have a thicker skin but I think since I have a disability I am more empathetic to how other people with disabilities feel. More on an emotional level though.
 

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I will get a lot of hate for my opinion, but I see no problem with using the word retard as a pejorative. I mean, why not? It implies that the person you are talking to/about is mentally deficient.....well, aren't "Special" people mentally deficient? Changing names and calling someone "Differently Abled" or "Special Needs" or "Mobility Deficient" doesn't change their lot in life, doesn't suddenly make them normal(and don't debate me on what 'normal' is, we already have a good grasp on how a base-line functioning person acts. It's beneath you to quibble). All this language does is to try and make normal folk feel better about themselves, it doesn't fix anything.

Now, do I go around and call people with Down's Syndrome retards? No, I reserve that word for people who are supposedly intelligent, but behave like a mental cripple. But why does it seem like these PC people are trying to make it okay to be deficient? It's not, everyone knows it, and pretending otherwise does nothing but remove the spotlight away from the problems these people are having. Using a harsher word to describe a mental or physical deficiency drives home the point better than all this soft language bullshit. What get's the point across better, describing someone as "Handicapable", or as a cripple? The word ?cripple? has a very precise meaning. Too precise for a modern society that prefers to sanitize the hard realities of life and hide them behind vague, spurious, pseudo-scientific cant. I give up my seat on the bus to a cripple, but a handicapable person is perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
 

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I was trying to think of a comparison to other insults, and I think bastard is similar.
Bastard was a derogatory term used for people born out of wedlock, but I don't know anyone today who actually calls people bastards in that sense just like I don't know people who call disabled people retarded.

I like for languages to be naturally growing and used. Bastard and retard nowadays don't mean what they used to mean. I think its all well and good to stop people from calling people born out of wedlock bastards and to stop people to call disabled people retarded, but you shouldn't eliminate the words from the language nor limit how it is used in other contexts. Much like you don't have a right to stop how the word ****** has changed (though that is still a very sensitive word, depending on who is saying it to whom).

EDIT: If you analyse the word it simply means slow, something delayed. And now has the meaning of a poor decision, a moronic decision (from the greek dull).
 

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Ledan said:
I was trying to think of a comparison to other insults, and I think bastard is similar. Bastard was a derogatory term used for people born out of wedlock, but I don't know anyone today who actually calls people bastards in that sense just like I don't know people who call disabled people retarded.
The guy's parentage is called into question by the very fact that you use the word as a pejorative term. Why would he be offended by the word "bastard," if by calling him one you're not saying his mother was a slut? And why would "retard" be an insult unless it compares you to real people with mental deficiencies?
 

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JimB said:
Ledan said:
I was trying to think of a comparison to other insults, and I think bastard is similar. Bastard was a derogatory term used for people born out of wedlock, but I don't know anyone today who actually calls people bastards in that sense just like I don't know people who call disabled people retarded.
The guy's parentage is called into question by the very fact that you use the word as a pejorative term. Why would he be offended by the word "bastard," if by calling him one you're not saying his mother was a slut? And why would "retard" be an insult unless it compares you to real people with mental deficiencies?
I take offence to the fact that my name has been appropriated as an insult.

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Really? I thought the term "Mentally retarded" was medical, not just slang.
It was at one point, along with "moron," "mongoloid," "idiot," "imbecile," and "spastic." The process is called the euphemism treadmill. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism_treadmill#Euphemism_treadmill] Essentially, semantically neutral medical terms (i.e. mentally retarded) enter common parlance, are used as euphemisms for pejorative traits (i.e. stupidity) and therefore retroactively gain a pejorative meaning, to the point where it is no longer acceptable to use it as a medical term.

The process is more-or-less self-perpetuating. If we replace "mentally retarded" with something less inflammatory, like "mentally challenged," or "special needs," it'll take about two decades before those become pejoratives, and it becomes an equally offensive insult to say that someone is "challenged" or "special." We're really just arbitrarily cycling through different understandings of what is and isn't a pejorative term.

What this means is that it is basically impossible to be totally politically correct about it. I'm not kidding - if you take offence to the use of retard as an insult, you'd better strike out idiot, imbecile and moron as well, because they're just older examples of the exact same goddamn thing. While you're at it, you can't say a person is "lame," because that word actually used to refer to disabled people. Calling someone a "spaz" is out of the question, because it used to refer to motor neuron dysfunction.

The list goes on. Really, say whatever you want to say, and if you insult or offend someone who you didn't mean to insult or offend, just apologise and don't use the word around them again. And if you did mean to insult them, more power to you! Unless they're actually mentally handicapped, in which case you are an awful person.

JimB said:
A Satanic Panda said:
Really? I thought the term "mentally retarded" was medical, not just slang.
Not since the mid-eighties, at least. It is not a diagnostic term.
I actually think it's still used, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation] at least by the WHO. Which surprised me, honestly.
 

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Hear hear! We need to really grow up in this country and make up some new pejoratives. Have some creativity for The Emperor's sake. God damn puffin floppers.
 

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Frostbite3789 said:
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I disagree. And as someone with a family member who is special needs/disabled. Or might be considered 'retarded' I think it has a lot to do with intent.

When someone uses it as an insult, I know they aren't talking about my brother. They aren't maliciously thinking of anyone who is actually special needs. I dunno, I don't see the point of getting all riled up about it.
Yeah, same here. My older brother's got cerebral palsy, but I still use 'retard' or 'retarded' whenever I feel like it.

Context is everything.
(And if you ask me, I feel like the only people who actually get offended are the ones who aren't actually handicapped.)
 

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JaredXE said:
I will get a lot of hate for my opinion, but I see no problem with using the word retard as a pejorative. I mean, why not? It implies that the person you are talking to/about is mentally deficient.....well, aren't "Special" people mentally deficient? Changing names and calling someone "Differently Abled" or "Special Needs" or "Mobility Deficient" doesn't change their lot in life, doesn't suddenly make them normal(and don't debate me on what 'normal' is, we already have a good grasp on how a base-line functioning person acts. It's beneath you to quibble). All this language does is to try and make normal folk feel better about themselves, it doesn't fix anything.

Now, do I go around and call people with Down's Syndrome retards? No, I reserve that word for people who are supposedly intelligent, but behave like a mental cripple. But why does it seem like these PC people are trying to make it okay to be deficient? It's not, everyone knows it, and pretending otherwise does nothing but remove the spotlight away from the problems these people are having. Using a harsher word to describe a mental or physical deficiency drives home the point better than all this soft language bullshit. What get's the point across better, describing someone as "Handicapable", or as a cripple? The word ?cripple? has a very precise meaning. Too precise for a modern society that prefers to sanitize the hard realities of life and hide them behind vague, spurious, pseudo-scientific cant. I give up my seat on the bus to a cripple, but a handicapable person is perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
I can't speak for everyone who shares my views, but here's how it's always been for me.

Not using the word "retard" as an insult is not about avoiding the truth. It's not about political correctness, sanitizing language, or making myself feel better. It's about simple decency and respect.

People with special needs lead hard lives. They have to struggle to do things most people barely have to think about. Some will never have anything close to a "normal life" and will need constant assistance just to survive. Their lives are hard enough without some jackass running around using words that refer to their lives and struggles as insults. Describing a man with Down's Syndrome as "developmentally disabled" isn't going to change his condition, but calling an otherwise perfectly "normal" person who makes a dumb decision a "retard" will and does make light of how difficult a life with severe Down's Syndrome can be.

It's not a hard thing to do: just stop using a few words. No one is asking you to change your lifestyle, just to be conscious of the struggles of others when you speak.
 

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thiosk said:
Hear hear! We need to really grow up in this country and make up some new pejoratives. Have some creativity for The Emperor's sake. God damn puffin floppers.
My favourite made-up insults are "schlockmeister," "cockboffin," and "bfarkenbunt."

One of these is not made up! I'm not telling.
 

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Nowadays, most people who use these words are too dumb to type complete sentences. Personally, I avoid using "gay" or "retarded" in that fashion because I don't want people assuming that I'm some culturally deprived moron.
 

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JimB said:
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I see where you're going with this, and no, I didn't gain my definition of retard(ed) from mass consensus, so I will not change my definition from mass consensus either.
So...you're deliberately using the word in a way other than the way people understand it, and you're expecting them to know you don't mean what they do?
None of the people I talk to on a regular basis consider "retarded" to be a reference to people who are mentally handicapped, so I don't see what you are making a fuss about. Besides that, I have NEVER had someone take offense at me saying the word "retarded". Obviously this is different online. I have noticed that more Americans think retarded = mentally handicapped than Canadians, even when online.
 

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I will say what I want, when and where I want, but within reason. If someone finds something offensive in what I say-- dependent on who they are-- I will adjust my vocabulary based on their presence. But I refuse to censor myself everywhere I go.

Example: If I say someone or something is retarded on a bus, and a passenger happens to take offence to it, I won't give a damn, because I will most likely never meet them again, and will continue to use that word in front of them for the remainder of the ride.

Example 2: If a friend, family member or someone I'm dating has a problem with me using the word retarded then I shall refrain from using it around that person because not doing so may ruin our relationship.
 

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I actually knew a kid with Down's Syndrome in high school, and if something/someone was terrible or annoyed him or whatever, he was a fan of saying "This (thing/person/situation) is more retarded than I am!"
He was awesome.
When an actual special needs kid is using a word that's supposed to be derogatory towards special needs kids, it kind of loses its original meaning.
Anyways, I feel that there are multiple intentions of the word retarded. There's the obvious referring to people with mental disabilities, and then there's proper, bone-crushing stupidity. You know the guy; the meatheaded jackass who'd rather hit you than look at you, and who maintains such a willful ignorance of the world, basic education, and common sense that the mere fact they survived to the age they are is nothing short of miraculous.
As the kid in high school said, those people are more retarded than he is. When a properly "retarded" person is smarter than some of these so-called "normal" people it's not an insult to compare someone to him; It's an insult to compare someone to one of them.

That said, I try not to use the word retarded when describing something or someone, because I know of the connotation. Besides, "Knuckle-dragging Troglodyte" has such a nice ring to it, don't you think?
 

Twilight_guy

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Don't use the word "retarded" as an insult, don't use the word "gay" as an insult. Doing so associates the word, and the group it represents, with bad or negative connotation.
 

JemothSkarii

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boots said:
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I also used to be best friends with a gay guy, I could not use gay, ******, retarded, or even MENTION AIDS in front of him...My god it was a pain in the ass to be around him.
Wow, it sounds like you've been through some real hardship. Have you considered adapting your story for the big screen? Definite Oscar material right there.
Certainly not Schindler's List quality, but hey, if they can make a movie on Facebook or Justin Bieber it work work. Of course if I was to get my movie done, it would have to be done by Michael Bay, copious explosions are the only way to make it so much better :D

As for the actor portraying myself...Hmm, I'll have to get back to you on that.

But I do enjoy a nice bit of sarcasm every now and again.
 

scorptatious

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You know it's weird. I personally don't find "retarded" all that bad. I'm not saying that people should use it to insult people, but I personally don't get offended by it.

At the same time though, whenever I see someone who uses the term "autistic" to insult someone. It kinda irks me. It implies that autistic people such as myself are all stupid.

I know I shouldn't be worked up about it, I mean most of the time I find these kinds of people through Youtube comment sections, and those usually aren't the best places to find a nice and friendly conversation.
 

RedDeadFred

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Jux said:
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Jux said:
I always found this confusing. Why do we need to call them special? What's with these blanket terms? Why can't they just be a person that has down syndrome, or a person that has autism? There are a whole range of conditions and disorders that people can be afflicted by, it feels incredibly dismissive to just lump them all together.
Because for your average person it's too hard to remember, let alone identify, all the different conditions and disorders. It's just easier to use one word in everyday conversation.

It may seem dismissive, but it's not meant to be.
The problem though is that 'special' is going to end up being the next pejorative. It's not so much the word, it's the way it's used that is the problem. They're used in an exclusionary way. And yea, some people might not mean to do it, but that's how it ends up being. It's rather frustrating. I mean, I don't know every learning disability or condition out there, or how to spot the differences, but it can't be that hard to just treat them as people and not their conditions can it?
Ya, we're already moving away from "special" where I live. I'm taking education in university and we have an ed psyche course called Students With Exceptionalities." It refers to to a variety of different students. Mentally impaired, physically disabled, English as a second language, blind, and even gifted all are called exceptional learners.

I don't really know if this is more politically correct than "special" but I guess the word doesn't carry as much of a negative connotation.
 

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JimB said:
Your argument here seems to assume that I am required to ask you what each word in any of your sentences means because you want to use words in ways they are not generally accepted as meaning. You therefore want to use words in ways that actively hamper understanding your meaning, which defeats the purpose of having language at all; never mind that you do it apparently all for the sake of making it okay to use pejorative slurs.
You're not required to ask anything. You're even allowed to be offended. The key point is that words are not intrinsically, inherently and in itself offensive or "pejorative". That's ascribed meaning, your ascribed meaning. My meaning might be something else entirely, and there's no objective hierarchy of deciding when a word or symbol is offensive.

When people say that symbol-Y is offensive to group-X, they make a generalized statement which is epistemologically false. What it really means is "this is offensive to me."

Which is, in itself, no reason for (self-)censorship of language. It's a shame that you are offended, but tough luck kid, suck it up. Life is a ***** sometimes (note that this is something different from actual discrimination, which is to be abhorred and fought at all turns). Calling idiots retarded, black people niggers, or denying the Holocaust are inane uses of the right to free expresion, but I firmly believe that such idiotic concepts will drown in the market place of free ideas eventually. They won't disappear if you (self-)censor them through Political Correctness.
 

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Words like retard need to evoke offensive imagery in order to fulfil their intended purpose. If they didn't, they would be interchangeable with regular speech. Calling someone "pimple t thumblehopper" simply doesn't evoke any sensationalist reaction; it evokes laughter in the face of the speaker because it sounds so fucking stupid.

Which part of that paragraph caught your attention? Was it the last part? Be honest.

"But can't we agree to at least use benign insults?" You can't, there's no such thing as a benign insult. Name one. S-t? It evokes negative body image: harr! you're unclean because your body expels waste products. A----le? Same. B---h? Sexist. C--t, p---y, m---e! Harr, ladyparts betray your effeminate qualities, and being anything like a w---n is baaad. C--k? P-----s, and men, are bad too. It's male-shaming, by god. C--------r? C--------r? M----------r? F----r? Sex is dirty, submission is vile! Where, how, and by what measure, does one draw the line between these perceived harms and the perceived harms perpetrated against the gays, the blacks, the gypsies and Jews?

We adults may use our brains to determine when provocative language is appropriate and when it is not. I wouldn't call someone a "fucking retard" if they actually had developmental issues simply because I don't know how they would process that and I do try to make a token attempt at sympathy; they're the sole exception, and I'm still going to say it to my heart's content when I'm sure they're not within earshot because I know full well that I'm capable of regulating my own prejudices within the context of real-world behavior, the only time my opinion of any particular group actually matters. To their faces, I am polite. I am patient. I recognize their subjective value as members of the common species. I acknowledge their basic right to exist. My casual use of a word that they cannot hear, and that doesn't necessarily dampen my appreciation of their lot in life, is effectively meaningless.

I submit that not everyone who uses insensitive, chauvinistic language is inherently and absolutely harmful to its respective inspiration, however marginalized that inspiration may be. I say that as someone who was marginalized at the most vulnerable stages of life, as someone who has first-hand knowledge of what it's like to be on the receiving end of offensive language, insults and the phenomena for which they stand. I say that, again, as someone who can differentiate between absurdities and actual perceptions of whole peoples.

I'm... the product of childhood physical, emotional and verbal abuse. I've struggled with depression and suicide for nearly my entire life. I've also had facial paralysis for the last ten years, and an admittedly small, remote portion of my ethnic heritage is derived from a group of people who've been persecuted since antiquity. These conditions have significantly affected both my life and the way I interact with my fellow human beings.

Despite this lifetime of experience, I can't help but respond with scepticism when "victims" or, perhaps more tellingly, the "family and friends" of the victims claim righteous indignation and apparently wilt like lilies at the mere mention of words reminiscent of the traumas they have endured. In my own experience, overhearing insensitivities, or even having them said directly to my face, pales in comparison to the experiences themselves to the extent that I laugh defiantly in the general direction of the people who would defend my alleged delicate sensibilities. If anything, I'd be more inclined to feel insulted by the white knights who've taken it upon themselves to rescue me from my would-be verbal assailants. Of course, I'm not offended by this, either, because I know that they really don't mean to denigrate and infantilize me. It's just an unintentional side effect, no one's beyond that, and besides it's really not that big of a deal anyway. I should know.

I also deny the victim's et friends and family of victims' attempts to dictate to me what language I can and cannot use, whether through coercion, or shame, or force, solely by virtue of their narrow shoulders. Words are feeble vibrations in the atmosphere, or spots on a page, or pixels on a monitor. The only power they have over us is in the power we choose to give them. If it takes the individual's interpretation for them to do harm, and not every individual is necessarily harmed, then the point at which they become harmful has to lie in the listener. If you're so emotionally unstable that you cannot bear to hear mention of certain words and phrases, you are the problem; the rest of us are not obligated to expend effort on your behalf. If the wherewithal to escape this is beyond you, seek help. The rest of you, get a hold of yourselves and do try to exercise a modicum of self control.

I acknowledge there is a degree of desensitization to the plight of the marginalized in basing insults and insensitivities on their experiences, however this should not be mistaken for causation, and I remain unconvinced its effects aren't severely overshadowed by those original causes. Gaining two pounds when you're already obese isn't going to send you careening over any clearly defined edge, and there exist much better places to focus your good intentions. Unfortunately, they require slightly more time, effort and money than persecuting people who enjoy off-color jokes, so that may beyond the scope of the would-be messiah.

And in the end, we, too, inherited this cold and indifferent world.