Don't soldiers seem like...complete idiots?

[Mrsoupcup]

The soldiers fight for our freedom. They take the freedom of a nation above their own lives. It's really a pretty heroic act if you ask me.

But who out there is trying to take our freedom? :/

No one, thats who!


Not that i am some sort of nazi-hippie-communist-pedobear.
I mean, i like that our soldiers is fighting to liberate the people in Iraq and Afganistan... But OUR freedom? Thats stretching it... Alot.

So if we lay down our arms and our forces you really think Cuba, Russia, North Korea and China will do the same? We have had people threatining our freedom since before you and me were even born. God Bless The NATO Alliance and no were else. (Just kidding, thats a fallout quote, but its NATO instead of America)

 

[rokkolpo]

Not idiots, just mindless automatons with no will of their own.

but that's their job, so it's oke.

 

[copperflyingace]

They don't do it for fun, there's a paycheck at the end of the day.

Actually, the pay is pretty shitty, and raises are hard to come by.

 

[Lancer723]

Soldiers take orders, once they join, they are basically agreeing to do what they're told for the duration of their service. Whether you agree with a what a soldier does is completely irrelevant. You are not them. Their choice to join is not your choice to join. Your opinions are not theirs. If you can't respect other peoples choices, at least have enough respect to not demean them or call them stupid.

 

[DazBurger]

The soldiers fight for our freedom. They take the freedom of a nation above their own lives. It's really a pretty heroic act if you ask me.

But who out there is trying to take our freedom? :/

No one, thats who!


Not that i am some sort of nazi-hippie-communist-pedobear.
I mean, i like that our soldiers is fighting to liberate the people in Iraq and Afganistan... But OUR freedom? Thats stretching it... Alot.

So if we lay down our arms and our forces you really think Cuba, Russia, North Korea and China will do the same? We have had people threatining our freedom since before you and me were even born. God Bless The NATO Alliance and no were else. (Just kidding, thats a fallout quote, but its NATO instead of America)

Wait?... What!?
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North Korea I might agree with you on... But Russia? Since when did the west start fighting Russia again? We even had NATO forces on the Red Square a few days ago, celebrating along side with russian troops, the defeat of the nazi-regime.
And China?... If China really wanted to hurt the west, they wouldnt have lended the US that shit load of money

And Cuba? Honestly.. CUBA!?... I dont even wanna point out how stupid that is :/


Dont worry Mr. stereotypical American. The reds are long gone and no one is trying to steal your precious bodily fluids.

You have to stop looking past your own borders and mind whats going on inside.
If the states or any other western contry is going to fall, it will be because of crime and corruption.




[Edit: Yeah sure, FSM bless NATO^^]

[2. Edit: Wait... Did you just troll me?]

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Dont worry Mr. stereotypical American.

I'm Canadian, secondly in Cuba Castro is dying and his brother is going to be in charge. He is 10 times more nuts than Castro. Only reason they are not fighting is because the U.S. has an Embargo on them.

Russia invaded Georgia a few years back because Georgia was about to join NATO. Wait, you didn't here about Russia killing 500 hundred Georgian soldiers and over 1500 civilians? Also if Russia were to attack a NATO counrty, that would mean America, Canada and the UK would all be at war with them. Finally Russia since the turn of the century has ben stocking up on surplus, and do you really think almost the whole Polish Goverment dying was a accident? They died because they were not able to land at a RUSSAN air port. Hmmm... Strange...

China is Rapidly growing and is forcing people of there land. They are also taking away rights for people who are not Chinese. (Like Muslims and Africans) They just passed a law preventing Africans from going to inside sports centers. Here read enjoy, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/19/AR2008081902256.html
Note: The China threat isn't really war its economical.

All the while North Corea is building Nuclear war heads.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Dont worry Mr. stereotypical American
[2. Edit: Wait... Did you just troll me?]

No, trolling is for 4chaners.

Edit: Did you troll me? I'm not even American.

 

[DazBurger]

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About the trolling... I dont even know anymore :/
About Cuba.
Cuba attacking the US, which is a NATO member, would end quickly... Come on, even you cant disagree with me here

Russia attacking Georgia.
Georgia is still joining NATO. And just because Russia is the bigger dosent mean Georgia was completely innocent in the war there

About the polish goverment.
... Russia assasinated the whole polish goverment? Meh...

Russia rearming.
As said in... Some movie... Isent that the exact thing we do?

Chinas economy.
China getting influence is wrong in what way? They have just as much right as anyone else.

North Korea. On the other hand... Who has the right to deside who can have nukes? Is there anyone out there, better that everyone else who can tell someone else what to do?
... On the other hand, North Korea IS bat-shit insane.

 

[TheTim]

No soldiers are not stupid. to even think so is completely idiotic. They have to be extremely familiar with survival tactics and advanced weaponry that can be very difficult to use. They must be ready at all times to become a squad leader if their commanding officer or nco dies or is wounded.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Cuba attacking the US, which is a NATO member

Castro's brother apparently wants to leave NATO. Cuba while not a big threat anymore is still having negative influences today.

Russia attacking Georgia.
Georgia is still joining NATO. And just because Russia is the bigger dosent mean Georgia was completely innocent in the war there

No they were not. your right but simple confrontation of a hundred or so troops should not be met with 30,000 attacking in return. Simple Russia was trying to scare Georgia from joining NATO. At least it didn't work.

About the polish goverment.
... Russia assasinated the whole polish goverment? Meh...

Looking at the plane wreck ALOT of people think the plan was tampered with. Followed by Russia preventing the plane from landing? Something ain't right there.

Russia rearming.
As said in... Some movie... Isent that the exact thing we do?

Well you have me there, but it causes fear of another cold war.

Chinas economy.
China getting influence is wrong in what way? They have just as much right as anyone else.

True, but They're displacing thousands of people. If I could show you, there was a picture of a once Muslim city now cut if half. On side remains traditional while the other is just full of markets and plain buildings. China is also prenting them from practicing thier faith. So basically they come in, take there land and force them to change there beliefs.

North Korea. On the other hand... Who has the right to deside who can have nukes?

The U.N. does, they told Kim Jong he had to stop building nukes after he had tested one. (This was the first Nuclear detonation on earth in the last like 20 years) Why are they scared? Kim Jong is the only person left on Earth crazy enought to actually start firing Nukes. Also almost every county signed a treaty saying they were no going to build anymore nukes.

... On the other hand, North Korea IS bat-shit insane. 100% True

My point is most superpowers today are just waiting to screw each other. Belive me if Russia could they would fuck us so bad. Good thing they can't. I was really just trying to say that our freedom really can be threatened at any time.

(Or at the very least our safety. Until the whole world become a single country when we start fighting the aliens =P)

 

[NobodyHereButUsTrees]

So No. They aren't and will never. The only one responsible for my own Freedom is myself, and that goes for everyone.

Much as I like to toot the "Go troops!" horn whenever I can, all I can say is "this."

Soldiers might fight for our safety and security, but ultimately our freedoms are our own responsibilities. My point? Look at Nazi Germany. Yes, yes, I know that not all German soldiers were not Nazis, etc. etc., but they sure as shit weren't fighting for the freedoms of the German people.

 

[WrongSprite]

They don't do it for fun, there's a paycheck at the end of the day.

Actually, the pay is pretty shitty, and raises are hard to come by.

I didn't say it wasn't shitty, the pays still there.

Anyway, the pays pretty good in the UK, I dunno where you're from.

Soldier starts at £13,000 and gets promoted fairly fast.

Officer starts at more or less the same as a teacher, once they're a fully fledged officer, and get promoted.

Add to that the fact that you get housed and fed, and it's fantastic.

 

[DazBurger]

I was really just trying to say that our freedom really can be threatened at any time.

(Or at the very least our safety. Until the whole world become a single country when we start fighting the aliens =P)

Have to agree on you there.

Kinda sad really... The only way the human race can have peace, is to have a common enemy :/

Then again, imagine aliens arriving, the entire planet rejoining and rearming... Only for the aliens to take off again... Then they would only have to wait a few centuries to come back to an empty planet

 

[Ben Legend]

I've met about three soldiers, and all of them don't care about protecting people, they do it because they leave school with a lack of qualifications and therefore cannot get into college. Another point i'd like to add is that they all think they are better than us "civies" which really pisses me off, seriously, I don't want to be protected by someone who thinks they are better than the people they are sworn to protect.

P.S. Just like to point out that not all soldiers are like this (at least thats what I hope) this is just what I have found with the soldiers I have met.

 

[TinyTim]

So No. They aren't and will never. The only one responsible for my own Freedom is myself, and that goes for everyone.

Much as I like to toot the "Go troops!" horn whenever I can, all I can say is "this."

Soldiers might fight for our safety and security, but ultimately our freedoms are our own responsibilities. My point? Look at Nazi Germany. Yes, yes, I know that not all German soldiers were not Nazis, etc. etc., but they sure as shit weren't fighting for the freedoms of the German people.

In response to your points, I take it you're lucky enough to live in a relatively unopressive, democratic country, where your human rights are enforced by law? And if you were ever to be invaded by some oppressive state, you'd want your soldiers to enforce your rights, no? Even if they aren't fighting for your 'freedoms', their job is to protect the state you are part of and enjoy the benefits of.

As for your freedom being your own responsibility, I doubt you yourself are well equipped enough to take on this hypothetical invasion, heh?

 

[copperflyingace]

They don't do it for fun, there's a paycheck at the end of the day.

Actually, the pay is pretty shitty, and raises are hard to come by.

I didn't say it wasn't shitty, the pays still there.

Anyway, the pays pretty good in the UK, I dunno where you're from.

Soldier starts at £13,000 and gets promoted fairly fast.

Officer starts at more or less the same as a teacher, once they're a fully fledged officer, and get promoted.

Add to that the fact that you get housed and fed, and it's fantastic.

I'm from The United States. The US military pays it's officers pretty well too, but enlisted pay isn't exactly superawesome. And having stayed in military billeting, and eating food from nearly every branch of service, it equates to a cheap hotel and bad cafeteria food. They do get bonuses when they deploy though...

 

[Warchiefwill]

It is a soldier's duty to follow orders, no matter what they be. If not, what would war be?

War would be what it is and always shall be... wrong.

 

[TinyTim]

This entire thread can be summed up by: 'People make a choice that I do not understand. Therefore, they are idiots'. Along with a bit of 'SENTENTIOUS GENERALIZATION WITHOUT SUPPORTING ARGUMENT', and 'I've met a soldier and he was stupid, therefore all soldiers are stupid'.

I can't comprehend why some people choose to work in a 9 to 5 office job they hate, but I don't start threads accusing them of idiocy.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I think that a lot of people are against all the stuff we're doing in the middle east, and most people seem to go with the idea that it's more about oil than 'saving' anyone from oppression.

However, the soldiers don't get to tick boxes choosing their favourite destinations, and I think sadly, soldiers have lost a lot of respect with the less savvy members of the public, those who read newspapers and take it all in as fact, for instance, when of course they're not choosing to do this, it's the people in power making these decisions, you can't blame a gun for murder, and you can't blame soldiers for what they are ordered to do.

I do feel that more people would have a lot more respect for them, if the whole middle east 'intervention' had never happened however. It's not fair, but then a lot of people struggle to make the links sometimes.

 

[OneKlicKill]

Most soldiers are some of the most intelligent people you will find.

thats sarcasm right? I have yet to meet a soldier with more than slightly above average intelegence. And those that are are doing it for the money and ride through college becuase they cant afford it. they are also not the average grunt soldier, but rather ones not on the front lines because they arent stupid enough to put major risk on there lives.

Let me take a moment to compare the army, any army, to a shopping centre.

What we have are the people at the front, dealing with the customers; the main 'enemy' are reason for a shop to exist, in essence. These people are usually the less intelligent, but there are many more of them than the managerial staff or more specialist members of the crew who get a high salary after working their way into that situation.

You will always find more average and less-intelligent people, regardless of the position, in a lot of businesses and social work. Your presumption that everyone in the army is an idiot simply doesn't work: if all soldiers are thick as pig-shit, how do you think they carry out complex repairs, construction, demolitions, plans of attack, etc.

What most people do when they hear "solider" is think of a guy running over a hill, laughing as he fires at other people doing the same. That is not the case. This couldn't be the case; if it was then the military simply couldn't be organised.

I hate this view where everyone says "I've never encountered [such and such] so it must, therefore, not exist." I've lived in military areas for the majority of my life, surrounded by people who are often staff-sergeant or higher. From my personal experience, everyone in the army is intelligent, gets well paid, is never called into war, and do nothing but paperwork and training exercises all day. However, common knowledge shows us this is not the case.

I advice you to try and look further than your own experiences.

As i agree that "I've never encountered [such and such] so it must, therefore, not exist." is not a valid form of argument i used it as an example to show that in my experiance the majority of soliders are not "the most intelligent people" but rather below to average intelligence.

But your example actually supports my point. The majority of the lower positions are held by the less intellectual. "These people are usually the less intelligent, but there are many more of them than the managerial staff" so if you were to average them would they not be less intellecutal on average? Also, I excluded those that would be of higher intelligence in my initial post but down below I clarify my definition of the Grunt soldier, for whom I am arguing have lower intelligence on average.

Most soldiers are some of the most intelligent people you will find.

thats sarcasm right? I have yet to meet a soldier with more than slightly above average intelegence. And those that are are doing it for the money and ride through college becuase they cant afford it. they are also not the average grunt soldier, but rather ones not on the front lines because they arent stupid enough to put major risk on there lives.

Your grammar just proves that you "arent" "intelegent" enough to make such judgments. I have had 3 brothers go through the military, all of whom have been excessively intelligent. One was offered a six figure job in the private sector immediately after completing his tour. I don't know what the hell kind of bass ackwards world you live in, but there are many, MANY soldiers who have very high levels of intelligence. "There" accomplishments and skill on the battlefield prove this. There isn't such a thing as a "grunt soldier" anymore as you describe it. Everything is now done tactically, with every move mapped out in the best possible manner. "Thats" all I have to say to you.

haha I can't believe i spelt that wrong, but that dose not invalidate any argument that I make, nor does it show intelligence. The fact that i left two apostrophes out more or less shows that I am lazy, much to that of me not capitalizing the first letter of my sentences on occation you should point that out as well. I am glad you troll english grammer and caught my incorrect use of "there" when it should be thier, to show possession.

And where did i describe a grunt soldier? I merely ment it as a term to describe non-comanding officers, and those who are not specialist. Now you can use that to state i described a grunt soldier.

And your argument of your brother, was he the average soldier? what did he specialize in would u mind specifying. I have not made the statement that all soldiers are idiots. I made the statement that the AVERAGE grunt (use my definition) soldier are not highly intellectual people.