DOTA2 or LoL?

[blazearmoru]

I don't see the point of plot in the genre. While characters having backstory is fine and all, it all goes out the window as soon as the match starts and you've got best friends cutting each other down, soldiers killing their own royalty, and mortal enemies in the same lane. Plot in a game only matters when it figures into the gameplay, and it couldn't matter any less in LoL. Dota 2 does it the smart way, where the characters have backstories and personality but no overarching plot that falls to pieces as soon as the game starts.

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Actually, the Journal of Justice, does provide an actual canonical explanation for how Urgot and Jarvan IV could share a lane together on the Fields of Justice. It's rather entertaining really and just one of the many things I love about LoL's story. The explanation is that while say, a noxian summoner can never bring Garen to a match that would put him against Demacia, if the point of contention doesn't involve Demacia and is say, Freljord and Ionia, then Garen could be summoned alongside, Urgot, Darius, or whoever the hell else the summoners feel like bringing in. They even have an explanation as to how and why the champions keep coming back while dying repeatedly (Short explanation: It only works on the Fields of Justice.)

Edit: Not to mention the lore changing battle between Noxus and Ionia that happened awhile back. Official match, real players, and actually determined the course of the lore. Of course, that's the only one that's happened that I've heard of, but still neat.

@chrystallix I think you are the only one to mention this because this is a rare position to take. I am a huge fan of story driven games to the point of eventually converting into visual novels. Point being, when I feel like playing a story driven game, I'll get a story driven game. Most people feel the same way I would assume and since the moba isn't a story driven genre, most just don't include it in the reasons. By the way, you're the second that I've seen make that argument.

Now let's see if we have anything in common... Final Fantasy 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,10, Tactics? Xenosaga? Fate Stay Night? Sengoku Rance? Monster Girl Quest? To The Moon? Spec Ops : The Line? Tears to Tiara? Utawarerumono? Kingdom Hearts? Legend of the Dragoon? Ys?

I'm still waiting to start the mass effect and secret of mana,

Alright that is a fair point I suppose, I am something of an oddball after all, not going to deny that, still makes a big difference to me. Now, for your games. Final Fantasy 6(or 3), 10, Monster Girl Quest parts 1 and 2 (You perv), Kingdom hearts, and those others I'm afraid not...I never really got many games as a kid I'm afraid. Although every single one of those you list are games I WANT to play someday.

If you're going to play tactics, my vote is for the ps version and not the handheld one. Pssh, you played MGQ too . Try sengoku rance, they did pretty well with their story. I ended up learning about multiple people in the sengoku period of japan.

 

[JaceArveduin]

This is unfortunately way too true with the current state of LoL. Top lane is basically a race to who first gets 1337 gold to buy a brutalizer. The thing with snowballing in LoL is that most of the really powerful snowball items rely on stacks that are halved and such upon death, so any single bad play because of overconfidence can turn the snowballing around (in very specific situations ofcouse).

Wait, you mean people still use Sword of the Occult and Mejai's? I thought people stopped doing that, except in stomp games, ages ago.

 

[Larcenist]

This is unfortunately way too true with the current state of LoL. Top lane is basically a race to who first gets 1337 gold to buy a brutalizer. The thing with snowballing in LoL is that most of the really powerful snowball items rely on stacks that are halved and such upon death, so any single bad play because of overconfidence can turn the snowballing around (in very specific situations ofcouse).

Wait, you mean people still use Sword of the Occult and Mejai's? I thought people stopped doing that, except in stomp games, ages ago.

Sword of the Occult is garbage and Mejai is only for trolling. What I was referring to was The Bloodthirster, which is your typical top lane snowball item that is picked up whenever you're having a great lead and already made your Brutalizer. It is typically the top lane that snowballs out of control if anything in LoL games, the only bot lane setup that can completely fall out of control with a few kills would be a Nunu/Caitlyn lane. Mid has a few dangers I guess, but it is usually mid roaming to other lanes to get them to snowball that's happening (hence the power of Evelynn).

 

[JaceArveduin]

This is unfortunately way too true with the current state of LoL. Top lane is basically a race to who first gets 1337 gold to buy a brutalizer. The thing with snowballing in LoL is that most of the really powerful snowball items rely on stacks that are halved and such upon death, so any single bad play because of overconfidence can turn the snowballing around (in very specific situations ofcouse).

Wait, you mean people still use Sword of the Occult and Mejai's? I thought people stopped doing that, except in stomp games, ages ago.

Sword of the Occult is garbage and Mejai is only for trolling. What I was referring to was The Bloodthirster, which is your typical top lane snowball item that is picked up whenever you're having a great lead and already made your Brutalizer. It is typically the top lane that snowballs out of control if anything in LoL games, the only bot lane setup that can completely fall out of control with a few kills would be a Nunu/Caitlyn lane. Mid has a few dangers I guess, but it is usually mid roaming to other lanes to get them to snowball that's happening (hence the power of Evelynn).

Ah, well Thirster doesn't work on all tops, and a lot of the time you'll be just as well off grabbing a mallet of the super slow so that you can help peel for the carry/give them more kills.

 

[Larcenist]

Ah, well Thirster doesn't work on all tops, and a lot of the time you'll be just as well off grabbing a mallet of the super slow so that you can help peel for the carry/give them more kills.

Yeah building tanky for peel is the usual thing, but if you're getting kills and grabbing a Thirster you can pretty much continue to be unstoppable in the lane. This only really work in public games, which is why I said it was a snowballing example. With the game in its current state you might as well grab a quick Warmog and just continue to pressure the lane instead.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Start with LoL. Its the most barebones/most noob friendly of the set. If you get good at that, move up to DOTA, which is the real deal.
However, you have to buy heroes and stuff in LoL. In DOTA, you can choose any hero you want. The only things you need to buy are alternate outfits.
Personally, I'd challenge myself with DOTA. Its so much more rewarding and in my opinion, a better game.

 

[JaceArveduin]

nd of story. It seems to me, like the effort of just someone going, "Meh, might as well give them some kind of story." While in LoL you have entire cultures being drawn up with characters from each, whether it be the duo of Pantheon and Leona, the former a picture perfect representation of his people and the latter being very rebellious but somehow blessed by the sun they revere.

When did they change Pantheon's lore? I'm fairly sure he had a different lore when he came out..

Panth's lore change was more about location than anything else. It used to be he lived on mount Stanpor(Spartan) instead of mount Rakkor. Basically Riot does a fuck ton of lore changes for no real reason other than to either give their employees something to do and then market it as something that improves the game.

I mean honestly you can turn Riot games into a pure marketing company and they would still be making the same value. That is how close they are to Macintosh as a company. Make the smallest change possible and they will spin it into the best thing ever.

Are you sure? I mean, I've been playin the game since beta and I don't remember them ever making a big deal out of lore changes, I'd even completely forgot about the Journal of Justice

 

[JaceArveduin]

Trist(There used to be the megling race ya know)

So yeah, there are A LOT more than this if you really dig into it. Pretty much there really hasn't been a champ now that hasn't had major changes to their lore in someway.

Wait. Weren't meglings just yordle soldiers or something?

 

[WOPR]

LoL. Much better community and it actually punishes leavers instead of going "Well, this game was ruined, it's safe for all of you to leave now, sorry we can't suspend the others or anything because this is a priced title..."

 

[WOPR]

Morde(origin changed from noxus to shadow isles)
So yeah, there are A LOT more than this if you really dig into it. Pretty much there really hasn't been a champ now that hasn't had major changes to their lore in someway.

He was always from the shadow isles, he was just first sighted in Noxus. It wasn't until the Elise Shadow Isles patch that they confirmed it 100% because of arguing fans. ;P

 

[WOPR]

Yesterday, I thought to myself that it would be nice to play one of this games. But which one?
I have no experience with this genre, so I am kind of confused.

Escapist community, please help me out. Which one should I play?

Also, could you please mention your own personal opinions about community, player growth, stuff like that?

League of Legends if Free for download
and DotA2 has a price tag... but I have beta keys buried around her somewhere.

The genre has a weird up and down learning curve that's a bit harder to get into.
In LoL you'll be matched with people around your skill level
Dota2 seems to dump you wherever they want. (from my personal experience with both)

As for the communities... Doesn't matter which it is, MOBA communities are generally very cancerous with only a few white cells floating around. Expect a LOT of "L2P" "NOOB" "omfg..." and so on and so fourth
main difference for team communication
WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES A LANE
LoL - "mid mia!"
Dota - "ss"

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Warwick(curse now slowly turns him into a feral creature losing all self-control and humanity and many other changes)
Soraka

I cant be mad at this one since the original story was fucking stupid. This wasnt an arbitrary change to fit into new stuff, this just downright made NO SENSE AT ALL.

He was "Cursed" with a powerful new destructive form but still with his brilliant mind... wow fucking awesome curse. Best not piss Soraka off, next time she might give you a Mech or a Gun or the ability to shoot lazors from your nose as "Punishment". That story always pissed me off due to the sheer stupidity of the story and how we are meant to believe he was "Punished" by being given a body strong enough to fight in the league where previously he was just a frail scientist.

Its about gorram time they fixed that heap of shit. At least now it makes PARTIAL sense.

 

[Meatspinner]

There's that tribalist bs again. Do you guys seriously only play one shooter, one platformer or one beat 'em up??

 

[Aircross]

LoL. Much better community and it actually punishes leavers instead of going "Well, this game was ruined, it's safe for all of you to leave now, sorry we can't suspend the others or anything because this is a priced title..."

Chronic leavers in Dota 2 get put into low priority, a.k.a., the sh*t pool.

There's also a threshold in Dota 2 where getting reported even once after a match automatically puts the chronic offender into low priority.

And please saying that Dota 2 has a price tag...

...the game will be a free to play game once it's fully released. The price tag right now is for early access and some sets of cosmetics.

Please do the research before making statements.

 

[dmv]

I'd like to play dota 2, but having quite a bit of experience in LoL the transition is a bit too much of a leap. Also the communities for just about all mobas are absolutely awful. But from what I've seen dota 2 is a bit worse. Comes down to not being willing to put the work in.

In the event you do want dota 2 though, I've 6 keys so feel free to message me and I'll send you one.