Double Standards, anyone?

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

I come into school limping after a football practice accident (teammate accidentally cross tackled me) and I get detention for being .05 seconds late (had to talk with another teacher before school and rushed to homeroom). About a week later a girl comes in about 5 minutes late being practically carried by her two friends after tripping down some stairs after buying drinks from the vending machine and she gets sent home for the day. Ladies I'm all about equality. If you want it accept the good and the bad.

 

[Rawne1980]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

Actually, we got/get better insurance rates because we're SAFER DRIVERS than men. So yes, the UK just put in a Woman-Tax on their insurance in the name of equality. **sigh** Those women had a right to *****. If I lived in the UK, I would have.

As I had to say to the last 3 people that felt the need to inform me about something I already know allow me to clarify again, I'M NOT A MORON.

I know why women had cheaper insurance.

My point was that women keep banging on about equal rights. If you want equal rights then you get equal rights in EVERYTHING, not just the parts that suit you.

The double standard comes in from having to pay equal to men and then complaining about it. Thats not wanting equal rights.

I can't believe i've had to explain this twice. The thread is about double standards which that is. It's not a debate on why women should get cheaper car insurance. Wanting equal rights to men and then complaining about having to do something equal to a man is a bloody double standard no matter which way you look at it. Whether it's right or wrong having to pay more insurance as a safer driver is for another debate.

 

[smurf_you]

girls can reject guys without any consequense yet if a guy rejects a girl hes seen as a asshole

also guys cant stalk girls as its creepy yet girls can stalk guys and its seen as cute

Actually, these aren't true (at least not with anyone I know) anytime someone gets rejected, someone's going to get hurt over it.

Also, girls stalking guys is just as creepy as the other way around......

yeah but the guy has to sit there and take it, yet the girl, if shes rejected, the whole school wants the guys head on a platter

and i agree stalking is creepy but if you look at articles about either gender the majority responses if its a guy is "ewww, hes creepy and ugly, lock him up forever" while the majority of it when a girl does it is "awww, thats so sweet, shes in love" which we both know IS bullshit for pople to think like that

Fair enough..... I'm glad that I know people that don't act that way I guess, I've never really heard either of those examples irl....

 

[Defenestra]

I have noticed that men and women are often held to different standards, yes.

People have different expectations of others, based upon their sex. For example, a shocking number of people will try to dissuade a woman from pursuing a career in mathematics-rich professions, when there's actually no inherent difference in mathematical ability between the sexes.

Women are under dramatically more pressure to keep their appearances within a certain narrow range, too. We've all seen cosmetics commercials. Watch them carefully to see how they try to convince the viewer that there's something wrong with them, but their wonderful product can fix it, for only a chunk of their income and a chunk of their time. It's a bit like watching religions trying to evangelize, when you think about it. You're broken. Let us fix you. We only want your whole life.

Does this mean that it's fair when a woman employs what amounts to emotional judo to make herself look better, and someone else look worse?

No.

But that some women employ double standards to their advantage does not mean it's okay wen anyone else does it, either.

I'd really like to live long enough to see a significant portion of humanity realize that we're all in this together and stop being dicks to eachother.

 

[Mandalore_15]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

That's the kind of mentality that got us into this situation. Sure, it seems on the surface that it's special treatment, but really everyone loses out because of this new law. Families will now have to spend more on car insurance that is rising anyway, as there was no way the insurance companies were going to lower men's insurance. All this results in is working and middle-class families getting squeezed for even more money, when everything is costing more and there are less public services than before.

Besides, even looking at it as special treatment in the first place is wrong. It isn't, because insurance companies have to calculate what broad sectors of people should pay based on statistics. If women statistically have less accidents, they pay less. It's just common sense. The ECJ have fucked with this and given insurance companies a free-ride to charge more for no good reason.

In short: a typical ECJ judgement. A "principled" ruling with absolutely no thought put into how it will actually work in application.

Scroll up to Sleekit's comments at the top of the page. Men actually don't get into accidents more than women. Men are actually just a lot more likely to get a job driving for a living (for example, truckers).

To be honest I can't see any compelling evidence of that. Considering how well established the whole women getting into fewer accidents thing is, it's going to take more than simply anecdotal evidence to convince me.

 

[DarthSka]

Well, just the other day, my girlfriend and I were about to head out from my place. She tripped on something, let out an annoyed yell, and punched me square in my back (this one actually hurt a bit). She instantly said she was sorry. Her explanation was, "I just got so mad that I had to hit something." So, if I had used that logic in a situation where I punched her, she would be totally understanding, right? Yeah, no. I'd be in jail by now.

 

[nothingspringstomind]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

I'd call that any relationship with the opposite sex ever.

You basically described the last 5 years of my life.

OT; The missus forgot to bring money to the supermarket once and almost had me convinced that she had asked me to pick it up (when she hadn't) and that i'd not been listening to her (which i had, which was the only reason i even won the argument.)

 

[QuantumT]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

Actually, we got/get better insurance rates because we're SAFER DRIVERS than men. So yes, the UK just put in a Woman-Tax on their insurance in the name of equality. **sigh** Those women had a right to *****. If I lived in the UK, I would have.

As I had to say to the last 3 people that felt the need to inform me about something I already know allow me to clarify again, I'M NOT A MORON.

I know why women had cheaper insurance.

My point was that women keep banging on about equal rights. If you want equal rights then you get equal rights in EVERYTHING, not just the parts that suit you.

The double standard comes in from having to pay equal to men and then complaining about it. Thats not wanting equal rights.

I can't believe i've had to explain this twice. The thread is about double standards which that is. It's not a debate on why women should get cheaper car insurance. Wanting equal rights to men and then complaining about having to do something equal to a man is a bloody double standard no matter which way you look at it. Whether it's right or wrong having to pay more insurance as a safer driver is for another debate.

To elaborate further on the point that Rawne is making here, I'll examine an area where it's men with the advantage, income rates. Men almost always make more than women for equivalent work.

However, according to your point Rose, this is valid as long as it's justifiable. Well, here's one justification for you; pregnancy leave. Statistically speaking, a women is far more likely to take extended leave for pregnancy.

You can claim that not every woman is going to get pregnant and you'd be correct, just like I would be correct in claiming that not every male is a bad driver.

If you're going to use statistics to justify unequal policies in one area, then you can't really complain when they're used to justify unequal policies somewhere else.

Note: I'm not a supporter of the income discrepancy.

 

[chowderface]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

Actually, we got/get better insurance rates because we're SAFER DRIVERS than men. So yes, the UK just put in a Woman-Tax on their insurance in the name of equality. **sigh** Those women had a right to *****. If I lived in the UK, I would have.

Actually, technically the men were paying a Man Tax, which was turned into the standard payment because (cynical remark alert!) trying to be equal price-wise came in two flavors, Gain Money or Lose Money, and really, what did you expect them to choose?

That's actually kind of the point of the thread, overdone as it is. The model of equality we're working with isn't "Everyone is treated the same" so much as "women are treated like men". Based on that premise, women ought to be brought up in all the places where men have the advantage, but they also need to be brought down in places where they have the advantage (even if there's a research-backed justification for the discrepancy corrected by either one of those changes). Remember, in logic, the premise being stupid doesn't mean the logic used to reach is is invalid.

Now, that said, what we ought to be going for is "everyone is treated the same." Frankly, given the issue of transgenderism, the whole thing gets a lot more muddy because most discrimination is based on sex, not gender. So in the insurance example, if you've got a person whose sex is male but whose gender is female, she actually is paying a "Man Tax" because psychologically, she's got a tendency to be a safer driver, but because she's got the wrong gonads, she's paying more.

 

[DKen2021]

You think with all the threads involving women being dicks or feminism is stupid, there would be a separate thread to contain them all. Why do all of you sound so misogynistic?

 

[nothingspringstomind]

How come, when a woman wants to have sex with a man, it's alright, but when a man does it, suddenly he's a "homosexual"?

You, my friend, are full of win.

 

[nothingspringstomind]

You think with all the threads involving women being dicks or feminism is stupid, there would be a separate thread to contain them all. Why do all of you sound so misogynistic?

I'm probably the least mysogynistic person i know, but have been labelled as such by women for pointing out double standards before.

Which i find amusing to no end.

if i was any more open minded my brain would fall out.

 

[chowderface]

You think with all the threads involving women being dicks or feminism is stupid, there would be a separate thread to contain them all. Why do all of you sound so misogynistic?

For the same reason my brother thinks I'm an asshole: since we're not speaking in tones of purest adoration, obviously we hate women and want them to live crushed under our heels.

How come, when a woman wants to have sex with a man, it's alright, but when a man does it, suddenly he's a "homosexual"?

You, my friend, are full of win.

He's also the second person to make that joke in this thread.

 

[galdon2004]

Stick to your guns and don't back down. If all else fails, make a tactical retreat.

I mostly agree with you but this part just breaks my brain; as I can only seem to read it as 'don't give up, but if you can't win give up' XD

Anyways, I hate double standards based on race more than anything, being racist seems to have certain qualifiers that are racist in and of themselves. For example when Michael Jackson died, some guy said 'Michael Jackson belongs to the black people' and was cheered for; but if a white person said anything remotely like that about anyone they would practically get lynched.

 

[OblivionSoul]

Meh. Just accept there are double standards. Happens with me, I just joke about it with my gf.

 

[Sjakie]

'Men, always forget to put the toiletseat down, how inconsiderable."

my reply:

'No, you @^&*%, you forgot to put it UP!'

 

[retyopy]

Girl breaks up with guy, "God, get over it, can't you see she doesn't want you?" guy breaks up with girl, "gee, that Bill sure is an ass."

And don't tell me this doesn't happen. I've seen it.

 

[Hippobatman]

Stick to your guns and don't back down. If all else fails, make a tactical retreat.

I mostly agree with you but this part just breaks my brain; as I can only seem to read it as 'don't give up, but if you can't win give up' XD

Well, yeah, but no.

What I probably should have said is, expose the irrationality and if they can't accept or see the fault of their own logic, then there are no reasons as to why you're even trying to have a conversation with the individual in question.

So not as much giving up, as don't bother. Let the hypocrit be delusional to someone else. Cut the ties. See, if they can't understand logic, applying it wouldn't do anything. To have a rational argument, it is implied that both people involved have an understanding of the way a rational argument works. If one does not, either person's arguments would simply be dismissed.

There, have some rhetorics. Free on the house.

 

[Loner Jo Jo]

One, what you posted isn't a double standard; it's just somebody being an idiot. That and I've seen both men and women pull that kind of stunt, so you can't claim that this is something only women do. Two, I fail to understand the argument that women can't have equal rights and be treated with common courtesy at the same time. Why, yes, I would like equal pay to a man for the same work, and yes, I would like for my date to get the door for me. Mind you, I don't think that only women deserve "special treatment". Everyone can appreciate common courtesy.

To reply to your question, here's my favorite double standard: If a man gets a door for a woman, it's chivalrous. If a woman gets a door for a man, then he's less of a man to go through it.
Seriously, I have tried to open doors for men before and they refused to go through first. I was just trying to be nice, not challenge your masculinity.

 

[Noctius]

lets see here:
-a girl can hit you but you cant hit a girl
-in case of danger ahead the men go first, in case of danger behind "women and children first" (gag of course...maybe)
- a 18 year old guy dates a 16 year old girl hes a perv and dangerous pedobear follower, in the other way around, give that kid a medal hes dating an older girl yay!
- when a guy grabs a girls ass its sexual arresment, the other way its just playing around
- a bunch of girls grab a guy friend and paint is face for halloween its a joke, if guys do that theyre insensitive jerks
- when a guy likes books and games hes a nerd, when a girl does it she hot (but this i can understand XD)
- a girl HAS to get make up and waxed and all that stuff, a guy CANT do that or hes gay
- if a guy has porn or is known to masturbate hes a litle perv, if a girl does it she either a slut or an awesome popular person


cant remenber any other, and all of this makes me laugh =3, what can you do about girls, they want what we have but dont wanna lose what they have

ps: my solution, try logic if shes stuborn tell her to fuck of and just walk away, works with guys as well