Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan
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Let me be clear what i meant.Arren Kae said:
. In good rpg you impact world that's already created. In PnP rpg that's how it works, GM prepare good complex world and story and let the characters roam and impact what they want within the rules of his world. Planescape:Torment, Witcher, Baldurs Gate, Kotor... all were working that way.
When you change the orientation of character based on gender of main hero, it's just not rpg. In real rpg you would stumble upon defined BI, o straight and tried to convince him to be gay which should be hard (but could be great story) or oposite.
And FYI i think Elder Scroll series have a lot flaws in rpg manner.
And i want to add something.
That. but i would change
Designing a game to please the majority of your audience isn't giving anyone special treatment. Designing half of the romance content for minority is special treatment.
I have permission from the creator to continue making everyone in Dragon Age gay as a picnic! Hooray!
Way to be a professional, Lead Writer. You've joined Uwe Boll in an exclusive club. Take a lesson from Marcus Aurelius and ignore inconsequential fools.
point taken. I don't hate the romances that much, just think its childish an unneccessary (Yeah and killing fantasy enemies is mature and necessary, I know, its an impossible moral split LOL). Promise you this whole topic is a no win topic.
I'm a lesbian and 90% of the gamers I know are gay, so challenge your theory to a duel!Arren Kae said:
NeoGuardian86 said:
Quote bolded for truth.
OT: I always wondered if the folks, like the poster on the Bioware forums, ever take into account that gay people don't necessarily feel "comfortable" with their straight-romance-only options. Plus, just because we're gay, it doesn't mean we like the gay/bi options in-game, either. Just get over it, it's only a game so stop taking it so seriously, ffs.
NeoGuardian86 said:1) I agree that petition's wrong. Overall, Dragon Age has some solid writing and I'm sure the lead writer has something to do with that. Fortunately, that petition won't carry any weight. If news channels latched onto the story it could get big enough that EA made him apologize but that's as far as it'd likely go.Arren Kae said:
2) You're right: my personal sample isn't necessarily indicative of national population statistics. But what more trustworthy data is there? You've met more people than would be included in a sample survey. Using your own experience and those of your friends will give you larger sample-groups (more accurate data) than whatever published statistics there are based on surveys or other less-trustworthy info. gathering.
3) You're wrong about who the game's audience should be geared to. For selling a product it makes sense to design it to appeal to most consumers. That doesn't mean I'm a populist (I hate the wii) or that I feel the company has to design according to my wishes. When we're talking objectively about what makes sense there's no alternative. It's irrational to say,
"they should design to appeal to a minority even if it alienates the majority".
Bioware has made a point of having gay characters since Knights of the Old Republic. That's a design choice out of loving homosexuality, not business sense. In previous titles that content was something you had to work to get so players who didn't want to experience it didn't have to. In Dragon Age 2 they made the mistake of having gay characters persistently hit on the player character.
4)Muslim/middle-eastern characters. Hmm, you can play as the terrorist forces in some games. They're the villains in the game's setting but they are middle-eastern + muslim. Tali in Mass Effect definitely has a middle-eastern flare and the whole Quarian race has a gypsy cultural influence. You don't play as her but she's a party member. Those're the only examples I can think of: villains and an alien based on a real-world culture.
Here's a big difference though: most gamers wouldn't care about middle eastern / muslim characters inclusion. In the current environment I'm sure plenty would be bothered if the character was a preachy Muslim but if he just happened to be muslim I don't think most players would care one way or the other. Making such a character the main character would make him less identifiable for the majority of white and Japanese players but there's nothing innately about Muslims or middle-easterners that rubs folks the wrong way (except for folks who want them dead in real lifeand that's a learned stance) like homosexuals. Men don't want hit on by men.
You've established your RPG gamer cred. We're in agreement. I'd prefer if a character's going to be a lesbian she's always a lesbian so I've some content to unlock with a female character rather than every character wanting my character to get up in them. This could be taken further with classes. A character like Morrigan could turn her nose up at non-mages or (flipping it around) exclusively go for warriors b/c she wants a muscly man.Ishiro32 said:
I'm cool with the dude love but I just wish there were more women options. I am not interested in having my character sleep with a guy. And there are only like 2 sucky choices for women.
I am, I'm just saying that the way you said "one woman can be straight and one can be bi" comes off as a little... I'm not really sure.snfonseka said:
If one was straight and one was bi then people choosing to play as a male Hawke would have two choices and someone playing as a lesbian would only have one. By default. With no thinking involved. And why is it that the other women has to be bi? Why can't she just be a lesbian?
I guess it just comes off as some weird cross of homophobic/sexist.. I'm not really sure what, I just find it offensive.
And if you, or most other people, had finished out that thought then one guy would have been straight and one would have been gay. Just because the only people trying to "get with" them would be gay men or women, who are generally seen as less important in society.
The way you phrased it just kind of comes off.. Bad.
That's my beef..
My problem is that it's inherently offensive to have one character be straight and one be bi.. Because that gives straight people all the choices they want, while gay people would only get one.NeoGuardian86 said:
Also, the reason I assume that the statement would have been finished out as "and one gay can be straight and one can be gay" is because gay men and women are seen as "lesser groups" in society, so neither of them "should" have any choices...
That set-up really WOULD be pandering to the male demographic. Maybe not the "white male" demographic, but certainly the straight male one.
Jesus.. What are you going to do next? Hold up your "GOD HATES FAGS" sign? You just used every cliche in the book as the what homosexuality will "lead to next"...Arren Kae said:
a larger sample size is absolutely no guarantee of a more representative sample. by only talking to your friends you're introducing a huge selection bias.Arren Kae said:
but if sample sizes are what impress you, here's a survey with 10,000 respondents, 23% of whom identified as "completely homosexual". (Of course as a voluntary survey that number is probably skewed towards homosexuals).
You're assuming that appealing to a minority will alienate the entire heterosexual majority. Most people don't care either way. The small minority who are offended enough to not buy the game are far outnumbered by the homosexual audience that this kind of content will most appeal to.Arren Kae said:
Jamie Doerschuck said:
When i said it could the other way as well. as in one bi and one gay/lesbian.
Seriously my point boils down to this.
Limitation/Exclusiveness in the LI department should not be looked on as a bad thing.
Do not make every LI available simply for the sake of demographic X is gonna pitch a *****. If the character fits that he/she would be interested in x,y,z. then so be it. That's what i call good character building.
If they made Merrill (like in my example) a lesbian character, i know people are gonna *****, but if it makes sense in her story, it works. (this applies to a gay male character as well)
Also having a gay or lesbian character shouldn't be seen as lesser, if you love the character and they happen to be that way then it really does - in my opinion - give the opposite impression.
and personally speaking i didn't feel it or believe it that all 4 were all BI.
That's all really.
