Dragon Age 3

[vxicepickxv]

Isabelle was the only companion I disliked, I found her repulsive with her impulsive nature but I never really dug into her story and she left at the end of the 2nd act never to be seen again.

Interesting. I actually played DA2 a lot with Isabelle, and she stuck around the entire game. I guess some choices in DA2 did matter.

 

[Scorpid]

Isabelle was the only companion I disliked, I found her repulsive with her impulsive nature but I never really dug into her story and she left at the end of the 2nd act never to be seen again.

Interesting. I actually played DA2 a lot with Isabelle, and she stuck around the entire game. I guess some choices in DA2 did matter.

Yeah I said I was going to rat on her to try and save Kirkwall and she fled like a chump.

 

[Pockydon]

DA:2's combat system, mixed with everything else from origins. That would be a near perfect game for me.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I guess some choices in DA2 did matter.

Unless retconned in DA3.

 

[Whimsi]

i want to see....nothing, absolutely nothing, well other than horrible failure, review and sales wise. ME3 ending spit in my face was last straw now i'm actively root against BW and everything they doing(was fan until ME3). i hope DA3 bomb so hard it will sink the whole company with their EA overlords.

This whole ending nonsense has baffled me. Everyone I've heard is saying "I have loved Bioware until this. Now they are shit!" So you're saying that Bioware is a horrible company that makes horrible games because of the ending of one game? Because that retroactively makes you enjoy their other games less?

Even giving you and the other naysayers the benefit of the doubt and saying that the ending to ME3 is shit (I haven't finished it yet, will weigh in when I do...but I can safely say that even if my game throws monkey feces through the screen at me, it will not change how much I enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2...hell, the Baldur's Gates for God's sake), how does that make the rest of their game library, games you and many others profess to enjoy, shit retroactively? That makes no sense. My theory is that everyone is holding Bioware up to unreasonable standards because they make fantastic games, so every failure on their part looks infinitely worse than, say, Obsidian or even Bethesda (though after Skyrim, people will be unreasonably hard on them as well). When Bethesda made Oblivion, which seems to me by general consensus to be lackluster, people just wrote it off. But then they made Fallout 3 and everyone forgot how horrible their games could be. How about people be a little more reasonable and admit Bioware made a mistake, but have faith in the company they love, that made games that they love, and give them a chance to make it right?

Does a company have to be Nintendo or Sega, having hundreds and hundreds and thousands of games to their name before they're allowed the forgiveness due them after one failure? I swear, people are impossible.

Edit: I'm not saying a company should get a free ride, but I think the benefit of a doubt should be given once in awhile when a company has shown to have a significant amount of talent. Good devs are so hard to come by these days, but hey, let's shoot them when they don't please us.

I usually don't even look at who makes a game. If the game looks fun to me, I buy it. If it doesn't, I don't. If it disappoints me, I shrug and put it aside. If I enjoy it, I play it many times. The worst I will do is on a company like Squenix or Lionhead that has disappointed me multiple times, I will rent a game they make that looks enjoyable rather than spending money on it.

 

[Scorpid]

Indeed. Keep things in perspective. Bioware makes great games, name me one game that has gone to such scope as Mass Effect series has with such style and still hitting 9 out of 10 of their marks. Mass Effect is a true epic in scale and to say all of it is horrible because of a lazy ending is unfair to the series, the creators and really video games. Even when Bioware is at its worst it has so far still managed to stay well above average and is therefore far from terrible and only worthy of spite.

 

[Nieroshai]

I dunno what was up with Origins Sten, and the fact that Qunari look nothing like him, I just figuremaybe he's a half-breed? Or from a race the Qunari have conquered?

All the DA:O Qunari looked like that(not just Sten,) they just decided that they liked the other look better and despite DA2s obvious problems, I agree with them on that point. The Qunari as a whole were hugely improved.

Its kind of like how in the original Star Trek the Klingons looked like a race of space Puerto Ricans with crazy hair and then randomly got head ridges in TNG. Someone basically decided it looked better and retconned it.

I like the look better too, but it just bugs me how radically different they are. It is dialogue canon in Origins that Qunari are a race of giants, not half-ogres. If they're gonna go the Star Trek route, they should at least explain the retcon. Heck, a reason darkspawn went from uruk-hai to undead would be nice too.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Even giving you and the other naysayers the benefit of the doubt and saying that the ending to ME3 is shit (I haven't finished it yet, will weigh in when I do...but I can safely say that even if my game throws monkey feces through the screen at me, it will not change how much I enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2...hell, the Baldur's Gates for God's sake), how does that make the rest of their game library, games you and many others profess to enjoy, shit retroactively? That makes no sense. My theory is that everyone is holding Bioware up to unreasonable standards because they make fantastic games, so every failure on their part looks infinitely worse than, say, Obsidian or even Bethesda (though after Skyrim, people will be unreasonably hard on them as well). When Bethesda made Oblivion, which seems to me by general consensus to be lackluster, people just wrote it off. But then they made Fallout 3 and everyone forgot how horrible their games could be. How about people be a little more reasonable and admit Bioware made a mistake, but have faith in the company they love, that made games that they love, and give them a chance to make it right?

Hey, man, I didn't forget how bad Bethesda games can be.

But on the subject of Bioware, I think there are a few reasons why people have such a strong negative reaction to them. These are true of me, and based on what I've seen I feel it's true of others.

1) There are aspects of their writing that are profoundly shitty. Whether it's cringeworthy lines, creepy sexism, re-used storylines, or lazy plotting, you can find things that are undeniably bad in most Bioware games. This is made worse by:

2) As you said, people have high standards for Bioware. There are things in their games that are actually well-written. While playing a Bioware game, you're constantly asking yourself why can't the whole game be like this?

3) Because of a combination of people leaving, being re-assigned, etc., the ratio of 1:2 seems to be increasing.

4) Both Bioware and EA are incompetent at PR. You've got things like David Gaider arguing with people on the Bioware forums, ME3 ending with a "lol, buy our DLC" screen after DLC controversy, and a variety of questionable business practices that have been discussed to death on this forum. This is mostly just funny to me, but it authentically pisses people off, particularly people that are invested in Bioware IPs.

 

[Arina Love]

i want to see....nothing, absolutely nothing, well other than horrible failure, review and sales wise. ME3 ending spit in my face was last straw now i'm actively root against BW and everything they doing(was fan until ME3). i hope DA3 bomb so hard it will sink the whole company with their EA overlords.

This whole ending nonsense has baffled me. Everyone I've heard is saying "I have loved Bioware until this. Now they are shit!" So you're saying that Bioware is a horrible company that makes horrible games because of the ending of one game? Because that retroactively makes you enjoy their other games less?

Even giving you and the other naysayers the benefit of the doubt and saying that the ending to ME3 is shit (I haven't finished it yet, will weigh in when I do...but I can safely say that even if my game throws monkey feces through the screen at me, it will not change how much I enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2...hell, the Baldur's Gates for God's sake), how does that make the rest of their game library, games you and many others profess to enjoy, shit retroactively? That makes no sense. My theory is that everyone is holding Bioware up to unreasonable standards because they make fantastic games, so every failure on their part looks infinitely worse than, say, Obsidian or even Bethesda (though after Skyrim, people will be unreasonably hard on them as well). When Bethesda made Oblivion, which seems to me by general consensus to be lackluster, people just wrote it off. But then they made Fallout 3 and everyone forgot how horrible their games could be. How about people be a little more reasonable and admit Bioware made a mistake, but have faith in the company they love, that made games that they love, and give them a chance to make it right?

Does a company have to be Nintendo or Sega, having hundreds and hundreds and thousands of games to their name before they're allowed the forgiveness due them after one failure? I swear, people are impossible.

Edit: I'm not saying a company should get a free ride, but I think the benefit of a doubt should be given once in awhile when a company has shown to have a significant amount of talent. Good devs are so hard to come by these days, but hey, let's shoot them when they don't please us.

I usually don't even look at who makes a game. If the game looks fun to me, I buy it. If it doesn't, I don't. If it disappoints me, I shrug and put it aside. If I enjoy it, I play it many times. The worst I will do is on a company like Squenix or Lionhead that has disappointed me multiple times, I will rent a game they make that looks enjoyable rather than spending money on it.

ME3 was spit in my face and i will spit in theirs. ME 1 and 2 was my favourite games of all time, and i will hold grudge for ME3 for as long as i live. For me all Bioware games from here on out is POS not worth even half-price. i don't care about redemptions and benefit of a doubt. Taken more time they could have made ME3 a good game and good story instead they just made a moneygrab with shit ending. I'm done with bioware and your preaching will not convert me.
It's all about revenge not rationality.

 

[BuddhaGeek]

I WANT to have faith that Dragon Age III will be good but after Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2, my faith in Bioware is pretty much shot...

 

[MrGseff]

I basically want something along the lines of 'improvements on DA:O' this includes improved graphics, a better combat system that isnt a hack and slash and also a storyline that actually makes the decisions you make matter. Also actually multiple endings... none of that idiotic endings of Dragon Age 2 where your choices made no different outcome whatsoever.