DRM X1 - What are you going to do about it?

[TailstheHedgehog]

Gamers are getting mad.
With Microsofts digital rights managed getting clearer, it's also becoming more transparent just how corporate-minded the gaming industry is becoming. Some may say that's inevitable or that it's the POINT OF A BUSINESS, but Microsoft is asking gamers to sacrifice a lot more than they are about to gain with this new console.
If you've missed out on a lot of this, I found this article which I thought for the most part outlined this all nicely (though the title tells you instantly this isn't quite dispassionate) http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile)

I've copy-pasted their bullet points below:
"You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
People can play games installed on your console whether you're logged in or not.
10 people can be authorised to play these games on a different Xbox One via the cloud, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
Publishers decide whether you can trade in your games and may charge for this.
Publishers decide whether you can give a game you own to someone for free, and this only works if they have been on your friends list for 30 days.
Your account allows you to play the games you license on any console.
Your Xbox One must connect to the internet every 24 hours to keep playing games.
When playing on another Xbox One with your account, this is reduced to one hour.
Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
Loaning and renting games will not be possible at launch, but Microsoft is "exploring the possibilities".
Microsoft may change these policies or discontinue them at any point."

So I'm interested, I want to see the temperature of the community, what are you going to do about this? Are you going to speak with your wallet and/or jump to PS3? Are you going to write to Microsoft? Pressure pundits? Start your own website? Picket E3? Or accept that this has already happened with Steam and iTunes, and Sony and Nintendo will eventually do it anyway, so sit back, relax, there's little we can do anyway.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I will simply not buy the Xbone and if Sony does this, I won't buy a PS4 either.

 

[TailstheHedgehog]

I like it. And I only just realised what 'xbone' was. I seriously thought it was a TV show that had recently popped up. x-bone. (well I abbreviated to X1 )
I was thinking of not buying upon launch, and listening to feedback from the interwebs.

 

[omegaweopon]

I've not owned my own console for a very, very long time. Unless one of my friends gets one, I'm not going to miss out on much. If one of my friends gets one, I suppose I'm just gonna play the games I feel like playing. One of my benefits to being an "honest person, I feel like I can trust" is that I get infinite Xbox live from a friend. So I don't even have to pay for the online service. What I should question though... "Is HE going to keep up Xbox live with this release" hmm...

 

[Pink Gregory]

Um, you know, there is much, much more to gaming than the newest, shiniest thing on the market. Reactions I'm seeing from a lot of people seem to be saying 'uhhh, so I have to BUY one of these things now?!'. You can avoid buying a new console and still be involved with games.

 

[Joffas16]

Um, you know, there is much, much more to gaming than the newest, shiniest thing on the market. Reactions I'm seeing from a lot of people seem to be saying 'uhhh, so I have to BUY one of these things now?!'. You can avoid buying a new console and still be involved with games.

Took the words write out of my head. I couldn't agree with you more, my brother at the moment wants a new console and is trying to decide what will be less crap, the PS4 or the Xbox-One (I hate that name so much). I keep trying to tell people that not buying either one is a choice, then people always look at me like I just suggested cannibalism as a solution to world hunger.

I'm probably not going to participate in the next generation of gaming consoles. I might get a Wii U eventually but that's it.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I'd much rather have the security of a physical game (as a product, not a service) than the dubious benefit of being able to play my games on other consoles without the disc. As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy if it plays out like this: I'm not going to buy an Xbone, others will do the same, and Sony will not be tempted to adopt their tactics because they will be making money by not doing so. If Sony tries this sort of thing next gen, I go to PC (unless Nintendo tries to enter the market Microsoft may leave behind in the intervening time, but I don't think so). The only reason I think people tolerate Steam is that the sales and service make it worth it. iTunes is ridiculous but there is the option of not using it, convenience is I think its selling point.

 

[TailstheHedgehog]

Um, you know, there is much, much more to gaming than the newest, shiniest thing on the market. Reactions I'm seeing from a lot of people seem to be saying 'uhhh, so I have to BUY one of these things now?!'. You can avoid buying a new console and still be involved with games.

Took the words write out of my head. I couldn't agree with you more, my brother at the moment wants a new console and is trying to decide what will be less crap, the PS4 or the Xbox-One (I hate that name so much). I keep trying to tell people that not buying either one is a choice, then people always look at me like I just suggested cannibalism as a solution to world hunger.

I'm probably not going to participate in the next generation of gaming consoles. I might get a Wii U eventually but that's it.

Sadly, I think skipping a generation may be unbearable to some gamers with significant investment in IP's like Halo - or Mass Effect if it was still going. AAA games that'd be hard to go without the next part of the story (I guess you could always borrow from a mate, but if you're like me literally none of your mates console game, and the boyfriend is solidly Sony).

I could stall. But not getting that next title of a game I've been following for ten years could be pretty tough.
Or is that just sad?

 

[nevarran]

I've never traded my games. I'm also using Steam for quite some time.
So the new XBox doesn't change anything for me.
It actually adds stuff, sharing my library with 10 people, that's a neat feature. I wonder if they'll try to really restrict that to family members and how could they possibly do it.

At the ends of the day, I don't want to buy another console. But if they have the games, I'll probably end up having one more.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

The solution is painfully obvious. Don't buy it. I would, however, buy any games for it that are pretty darn good to show support for the developers.

 

[hazabaza1]

I'm never going anywhere near the Xbone and I'm going to call it shit whenever I can.

 

[an annoyed writer]

I'm not buying the thing unless they change it. Seriously, you need to have an internet connection to play games, but don't if you want to watch films or TV? Fuck off microsoft, I can already do that, AND play games on a dozen other systems, so why is your system super-restrictive all of the sudden? Even with Steam you can feel some sort of semblance of ownership, because there is this:

You can play your motherfucking games offline. Every damn one that doesn't run solely off of online multiplayer.

And even though there's going to be new Halos and stuff on the console, I'm not going near it if it is going with this concept of always-on DRM bullshit. And don't get me started on the cloud: even the fastest internet connection available to a civilian subscriber is slower than half of the fastest on-market processor's speed, so doing computation on the motherfucking cloud is only going to make the games perform worse and make those shiny-ass graphics and shit worthless. It's why OnLive failed and Gaikai didn't do much better. So we're going to get things like latency issues in things like single-player games, where there shouldn't be any. If microsoft wants to do that, they would have to become an ISP and use google's fiber-optic cables to at least get a semblance of good processing speeds. We all know that's not going to happen.

All of this comes from a pretty big Halo fan too: I have the collector's and legendary editions of every game in the series, a decent collection of Halo figures, several replica helmets, several gun replicas, shirts, and hell, even my wallet has Halo decor. I have every Halo book printed, and even have some models from the series on my Hard drive, ready to be compiled for a massive Gmod mapping project. I'm about as deep as one can get in the series, and even I will turn away when presented with Microsoft's bullshit here. It doesn't make me angry, it just makes me depressed, since I won't be able to have moments like those I had in Halo ever again.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

100% not buying it, and actively mocking anyone who does. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but anyone willing to trade away their centuries-old consumer rights for another rehash of Halo or Gears is firmly part of the problem.

 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

It actually adds stuff, sharing my library with 10 people, that's a neat feature. I wonder if they'll try to really restrict that to family members and how could they possibly do it.

How does it add anything? Before, you could share with as many people as you wanted, now you're restricted to 10 people.

 

[zumbledum]

Gamers are getting mad.
With Microsoft

I've copy-pasted their bullet points below:
"You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
People can play games installed on your console whether you're logged in or not.
10 people can be authorised to play these games on a different Xbox One via the cloud, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
Publishers decide whether you can trade in your games and may charge for this.
Publishers decide whether you can give a game you own to someone for free, and this only works if they have been on your friends list for 30 days.
Your account allows you to play the games you license on any console.
Your Xbox One must connect to the internet every 24 hours to keep playing games.
When playing on another Xbox One with your account, this is reduced to one hour.
Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
Loaning and renting games will not be possible at launch, but Microsoft is "exploring the possibilities".
Microsoft may change these policies or discontinue them at any point."

Honestly none of this bothers me or would negatively impact me in the slightest, infact i like a lot of those features and find them convenient.
Not that ill buy this latest box just as i havent bought any of the earlier ones, and id like to welcome console users to having the same level of dislike for M$ as the PC users have had for the last 20 years , the only money i will give m$ is for windows and thats because i cant avoid it and why ive boycotted everything those thieving talentless market abusing cocksuckers have released, And when valve manage to get Linux supported for games ill be dropping that last turd like a bad habbit.

 

[Archer666]

I'm going to do the only thing I can to show MS where I stand on this issue: I won't buy the Bone.

 

[Foolery]

What I am gonna do? Well, as the other fine folks in this thread have stated, not buy the damn thing. Problem solved.
More than happy to take my money elsewhere. I expect slow adoption of anything next-gen. My PS3 still has plenty of life and upcoming releases. 3DS is looking good. Wii U needs time. My PC isn't going anywhere. And I hear the wild call of retro games.