DRM X1 - What are you going to do about it?

[Lovely Mixture]

I'm not going to buy it no amount of games it has will make me buy it.
The sad thing is that people will buy it, inevitably enough to make companies say "hey, online requires are ok to do."

On the release day, maybe I could put up signs that say:

"As dumb as I am, I am smart enough to not sell away my rights as a consumer, are you smart enough to do that?"

It means I won't have to wait for updates to install.

You don't actually believe this do you?

It may also mean much more flexible and cheaper pricing of games.

Yeah it could mean that if Microsoft is feeling generous.....ever.

 

[UnnDunn]

It means I won't have to wait for updates to install.

You don't actually believe this do you?

It may also mean much more flexible and cheaper pricing of games.

Yeah it could mean that if Microsoft is feeling generous.....ever.

Steam has already set the precedent for keeping the system up-to-date on an ongoing basis, so that when it's time to play, you don't have to wait. Xbox One will be in a low-power state checking for updates when not in use, much like WiiConnect 24.

 

[UnnDunn]

I'm going to hope someone hits Microsoft's servers with a denial of service attack.

Microsoft already fields DDoS attacks on a regular basis.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Steam has already set the precedent for keeping the system up-to-date on an ongoing basis, so that when it's time to play, you don't have to wait.

You still need to restart steam to apply the update.

Xbox One will be in a low-power state checking for updates when not in use, much like WiiConnect 24.

Oh you meant for the console. I thought you meant for the games. Different topic.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Sidebar: responses of the form "nothing, I've got a pc for gaming" are annoying as hell. It's pretty clear from context that this thread wasn't aimed at you. You're really no different from my mom dropping into the thread to say "nothing, I've got an iphone for gaming".

I think the Xbone represents a very, very interesting test for consumers. If the PS4 launches without similarly invasive and restrictive nonsense, and consumers reward Sony for respecting us, it will represent a line in the sand for publishers. If people sell out their fellow consumers for another Halo/Gears rehash, Xbone will easily prove the more profitable console for publishers. They, in turn, will reward Microsoft's console with greater support and exclusives.

In other words, if they can get this "redefining ownership in favor of billion dollar corporations" ball rolling downhill, there's really no telling where it stops.

 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

I'm going to buy it and enjoy it. The licensing terms seem reasonable enough for me, and they won't change my gaming habits very much.

Tell me how an always on function, an always on kinect, and curiously restrictive game licensing policies benefit you.

It means I won't have to lug my games collection around if I go to a friend's house or on the road to a convention or something. It means I won't have to rummage around for a disc or a controller every time I want to play a game, nor will I have to worry about keeping discs clean. It means I won't have to wait for updates to install. It may also mean much more flexible and cheaper pricing of games.

You need to get better organisation skills if that's such a problem and you see the Xbone as a solution to this.

Also, and because I don't want this post to seem like I'm flaming you personally, I really doubt it'll be more convenient to have to download your games everywhere you go rather than install from the disc.

OK, if I lose internet connection at home for longer than 24 hours, I won't be able to play. But I can't remember a single time that happened to me, and if it does happen, chances are I'll have bigger things to worry about than whether I can play my games. I will also note that if unexpectedly lose internet at all, many of my Steam games will also cease to function, since Steam requires a constant connection unless you explicitly set it to Offline Mode.

You'll notice you yourself said the biggest difference between Steam and the XBone... Many games will be unavailable (i.e. all those that need that internet connection), yet all others will still work.

 

[UnnDunn]

Also, and because I don't want this post to seem like I'm flaming you personally, I really doubt it'll be more convenient to have to download your games everywhere you go rather than install from the disc.

Games are streamed, meaning they are playable while they download.

 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Also, and because I don't want this post to seem like I'm flaming you personally, I really doubt it'll be more convenient to have to download your games everywhere you go rather than install from the disc.

Games are streamed, meaning they are playable while they download.

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it working just like it wasn't being downloaded.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I'm not going to buy it. If it fails hard enough, Microsoft may get SOMETHING through their thick skulls and actually take an action that isn't completely evil.

I get the feeling that they may see such a failure of a launch that they'll reverse their licensing decision. They can't add backwards compatibility at this point, but they can sure as hell make used games actually function the way they should.

 

[Alfador_VII]

It means I won't have to wait for updates to install.

You don't actually believe this do you?

It may also mean much more flexible and cheaper pricing of games.

Yeah it could mean that if Microsoft is feeling generous.....ever.

Steam has already set the precedent for keeping the system up-to-date on an ongoing basis, so that when it's time to play, you don't have to wait. Xbox One will be in a low-power state checking for updates when not in use, much like WiiConnect 24.

You're missing the key difference with Steam, they have competition. If you want to download a game for an Xbox One, you HAVE to go to Xbox Live. Actually this will get even worse in future if they move away from boxed copies being sold. They want to charge $100+ for a AAA game? Take it or leave it, not like you can buy it used.

On the other hand, keeping games up to date does work well both on Steam, and PS+, so I'm fairly confident MS can deliver on that.

 

[AuronFtw]

Nothing. I have Steam which is even more strict

Wat? It's already been pointed out that you can play fully offline - steam doesn't even need to connect to the internet first, when it tries and fails you can just tell it to boot in offline mode.

Obviously the console where the entire thing doesn't work unless you connect to the internet is "more strict" than a singular game distribution program that already allows offline play - and this is without even bringing up all the other sources for games like GOG where you get even better deals than steam and with no DRM at all.

I'm legitimately baffled that you would say steam is even remotely strict compared to the xbone. Do you use the same steam I use? Are we in different universes?

 

[drednoahl]

I'm not going to buy it. If it fails hard enough, Microsoft may get SOMETHING through their thick skulls and actually take an action that isn't completely evil.

I get the feeling that they may see such a failure of a launch that they'll reverse their licensing decision. They can't add backwards compatibility at this point, but they can sure as hell make used games actually function the way they should.

Even if xbone fails, I doubt it will change anything at microsoft because nearly everything that they've brought out over the last five years has failed.

I made my choice to drop xbox when the metro interface was brought in, and the xbone is exactly what I expected it to be. I sold my 360 and it's games then built a PC with the proceeds. I think it's likely that I'll get a WiiU when it has a few more games that interest me, but I'm not sure about PS4 yet. I don't care what games come out for xbone though, there are enough alternatives for me to disregard the xbone completely (like I did with zune and surface and windows8.)

 

[Undomesticated Equine]

Steam does not allow used game resale, offline mode never works correctly. You have to switch to offline mode while steam is still connected if your ISP has problems and you turn on you computer steam will get stuck in OMG cannot connect ot the internet mode.

 

[Vegosiux]

Steam does not allow used game resale,

"Yet."

offline mode never works correctly. You have to switch to offline mode while steam is still connected if your ISP has problems and you turn on you computer steam will get stuck in OMG cannot connect ot the internet mode.

Really? I mean, I often lose my connection for some reason. Oddly enough, all my games on Steam still work, apart from those that have a second layer of authorization (looking at you, EA, Ubisoft published games!)

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I'm not going to buy it. If it fails hard enough, Microsoft may get SOMETHING through their thick skulls and actually take an action that isn't completely evil.

I get the feeling that they may see such a failure of a launch that they'll reverse their licensing decision. They can't add backwards compatibility at this point, but they can sure as hell make used games actually function the way they should.

Even if xbone fails, I doubt it will change anything at microsoft because nearly everything that they've brought out over the last five years has failed.

You're probably right, but I still think there may be hope.

The CEO of EA had to leave as a result of failure after failure combined with the "Worst Company" award.

I feel like if Microsoft's stock takes enough of a dive they may reconsider SOMETHING.

[quote/]when the metro interface was brought in[/quote]
I'm not sure what you mean by that. What interface?

 

[Lunar Templar]

Easy.

Not buy the abomination. Which is easy since there's nothing 'exclusive' to the Xbox I'd want anyway.

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

I will also note that if unexpectedly lose internet at all, many of my Steam games will also cease to function, since Steam requires a constant connection unless you explicitly set it to Offline Mode.

Steam does not allow used game resale, offline mode never works correctly. You have to switch to offline mode while steam is still connected if your ISP has problems and you turn on you computer steam will get stuck in OMG cannot connect ot the internet mode.

I'm always amazed at how poorly offline mode seems to work for some people. I lose my internet a lot, and we're forever having to cancel our subscription and uncancel it later and I always have access to any games that are installed. I, of course, cannot install my retail games without a connection which absolute fucking bullshit.

I'm not saying you don't have this issue; I get lots and lots of other issues with Steam that few others seem to get and that no fixes seem to work for. For instance, downloads from Steam, and only Steam, have a tendency to disconnect my internet after 10 minutes. I also can't install a game and then just play it, because Steam won't let me play without downloading updates first (even with automatic updates off). This essentially means that I cannot install retail games with large updates, like Shogun 2, in any kind of timely manner.

Steam and the other clients it has influenced are the only things I dislike about PC gaming but they annoy me enough that I'm thinking of getting a PS4 for this gen, provided it doesn't pull any of this bullshit.