DRM X1 - What are you going to do about it?
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I bought my Wii U on launch day; it probably wasn't a loud statement and it won't be considered a loud statement when the XBone is launched and I refuse to buy that. I can't really convince my friends to not buy one since they've already come to the same conclusion (ie: the XBone is a crusty piece of poo). I'm interested in the PS4 but my likely course of action is simply to rebuild my PS3 collection and focus on that, Wii U and building my classic game library. Of course, building a gaming PC is also a goal but not as high on my list as getting my hands on various NES, SNES and, Sega carts.
TailstheHedgehog said:
Not buy the console, simple as that. Without some ridiculously awesome true exclusive title or three, I just can't be bothered with it.
Yeah, this is simple. I'm not going to buy the dopey thing.
I don't know about the PS4... but I wasn't really interested in buying a PS3 so I wouldn't hold my breath for that. I'll just pick up more PC gaming. I'm on the leading edge of "legacy" tech, but I can still play games like Saints Row the Third so I'm not restricted from the new ones and certainly not from the old ones. I have a huge library in which I can play all but the rare ones that can't even function on DOS Box.
I don't know about the PS4... but I wasn't really interested in buying a PS3 so I wouldn't hold my breath for that. I'll just pick up more PC gaming. I'm on the leading edge of "legacy" tech, but I can still play games like Saints Row the Third so I'm not restricted from the new ones and certainly not from the old ones. I have a huge library in which I can play all but the rare ones that can't even function on DOS Box.
This is likely what's actually going to happen.
The gaming community's going to get in a big huff over it. The vocal minority's will go out and boycott, inspiring others to boycott. Once the console is released, people will buy the console, buy the games, and presumably, enjoy it. The loudest groups boycotting it will likely provide the most sales. (See L4D2 boycott) Half a year later, people will likely forget it ever happened. I guess it's just a sign of the times. Anyone can jump up on a digital soapbox and rally invisible support now-a-days.
Personally, I'm not going to buy it because I don't see the reasoning behind purchasing a new console when I have the original black Xbox sitting down as a media server. I felt gypped when I bought a 360, as Halo was the only worthwhile series on it, and good fuck those are boring shooters. The DRM alone on the XB1 is a non-issue to me because I've been a PC gamer, almost exclusively on Steam the entire time, and, quite frankly, although you've owned the disk, you were still just licensing your games long before we HL gamers made the switch from WON.
I do have other concerns about the XB1, I do feel that there is a step backward or two, but at the same time, I understand the reasoning behind some of the issues.
The gaming community's going to get in a big huff over it. The vocal minority's will go out and boycott, inspiring others to boycott. Once the console is released, people will buy the console, buy the games, and presumably, enjoy it. The loudest groups boycotting it will likely provide the most sales. (See L4D2 boycott) Half a year later, people will likely forget it ever happened. I guess it's just a sign of the times. Anyone can jump up on a digital soapbox and rally invisible support now-a-days.
Personally, I'm not going to buy it because I don't see the reasoning behind purchasing a new console when I have the original black Xbox sitting down as a media server. I felt gypped when I bought a 360, as Halo was the only worthwhile series on it, and good fuck those are boring shooters. The DRM alone on the XB1 is a non-issue to me because I've been a PC gamer, almost exclusively on Steam the entire time, and, quite frankly, although you've owned the disk, you were still just licensing your games long before we HL gamers made the switch from WON.
I do have other concerns about the XB1, I do feel that there is a step backward or two, but at the same time, I understand the reasoning behind some of the issues.
I actually laughed here.TailstheHedgehog said:
Like steam, but with a little bit more "Connect to play.", their system is arguably slightly MORE free than steam, I cannot trade my steam games to my friends, I cannot sell my steam games on.
Steam already killed game ownership.
Again, Steam has already done this.
Again, Steam has already done this. Bought Napoleon Total War, the collectors edition, when it came out. Its actually the game that made me boot up steam for the first time.
Huh, that is MORE FREE than steam.
More free than steam.
Better than steam.
Better than steam.
Same as steam.
A little bit shitty.
Understandable and a little bit shitty.
Well, it would be insane if they were not to be honest.
Better than steam. At least they are exploring the possibilities.
Exactly the same as steam.
It doesn't bother me. In the slightest. I predominantly play on my PC regardless, I am used to all of these policies. I find it hi-fucking-larious how gamers are reacting to this. It even made BBC news! The xbone is a better system then Steam is currently and yet you have so many people bitching and moaning.
Who the fuck cares. The ONLY issue I have with the xbone is having to pay for Gold. If you are going to fuck gamers, you should at least give them a community in return. It is why so few people give a flying fucking about Steam! Yeah, you do not own any games, but the trade off is constant awesome sales and a community that, right now, has 3,362,087 Players Online at 2 in the morning.
Not buying it, simple as that. I've decided to build a PC and use steam. Sure they may not have used games, but they sell games substantially cheaper than what I can get an Xbox 360 title for new half of the time. So who needs used games???
Some people seem to be having a sook about steam not allowing users to loan or rent games. That's not entirely true, they always have free weekends for new titles and such. Seems like a reasonable trade off to me.
AFAIK you can trade steam keys too??
Last but no least, you don't have to be online to use the games you have on your steam account, that you can have for free. Yes its a form of DRM, but as far as DRM goes, its probably the most consumer friendly around. We have to understand that developers need to secure their investment to a degree. I believe Valve has designed a very well compromised method of doing that.
Some people seem to be having a sook about steam not allowing users to loan or rent games. That's not entirely true, they always have free weekends for new titles and such. Seems like a reasonable trade off to me.
AFAIK you can trade steam keys too??
Last but no least, you don't have to be online to use the games you have on your steam account, that you can have for free. Yes its a form of DRM, but as far as DRM goes, its probably the most consumer friendly around. We have to understand that developers need to secure their investment to a degree. I believe Valve has designed a very well compromised method of doing that.
Honestly its easy. A lot of people do not want what Microsoft is peddling with this console. Now keeping in mind that when E3 happens and they reveal more (Hopefully) and when Sony does their thing and hopefully show off the system we will see what happens. Right now, If nothing were to change Sony probably wins this console gen. Its literally as simple as not purchasing the Xbone and getting a PS4 will show Microsoft execs faster than any amount of internet crusades. PS4 sells more than Xbone execs look and go "What the hell were we thinking" and hopefully change.
However PC master race will always be supreme. Even with things like Steam making it so we license games. As long as I have access to all of the games I buy then I have no problem with it.
However PC master race will always be supreme. Even with things like Steam making it so we license games. As long as I have access to all of the games I buy then I have no problem with it.
I am not going to buy an X-Box One. I know that a lot of people will still buy one and that in comparison the money they won't get from me isn't that big of a deal. I can still pride in the fact that I am not spending money on something I disagree with.
I see you're getting some crap for having that opinion. I just wanted to say that you're not wrong for wanting to buy one. You're an adult, you can do whatever you want with your money. More power to ya.UnnDunn said:
ANYWAY
I'm not buying it, and I think I'm going to encourage my friends not to, either. We're really big on sharing certain games. "Hey, can I get Black Ops off ya for a weekend?" All the time. Not gonna happen, now.
See, we get paid decently well, but we're all keenly aware of the value of a dollar. I can drop $60 for my own copy of Battlefield, or I can fill up my car and borrow the game from someone next week. Modern Warfare 4, or groceries? Madden, or a new multi-tool? Not too long ago, I didn't have to ask this question, because I'd borrow games from the guy three rooms down. Now I can't, so I must.
Also, I'm thinking of the far, possible future. One day, I'll be deployed again, where the Internet - if we even HAVE Internet - will be weak and not too reliable. Now, when I was in Afghanistan, even when the connection was steady, though weak, Steam still refused to connect some 75% of the time. I can't help wondering if the Xbone will have the same issue.
I'm ranting a tiny bit, aren't I? Okay, I'll stop now.
I think this'll be easier if I respond to each bullet point separately.
Not really sure how to respond to this one, since the exact difference between ownership and "licensing" isn't exactly clear. As long as Microsoft doesn't start taking my games away on a whim, they can call it whatever they want.
Well. Uh. That's good. I guess. Unless I'm not understanding this one, it seems pretty irrelevant.
At first I thought this was a good idea, then I got to the "not at the same time" part. Well if you can't play the same game at the same time, then what's the point? If If someone else is going to be playing my games then I'll just give them the fucking disc.
OK, I guess this is where that whole "licensing" thing comes into play. Yeah, this definitely bullshit. Once I buy the fucking game I should have every right to do whatever the fuck I want with it.
OK. That might come in handy....I guess.....Maybe. It's not a BAD thing, anyway.
Pretty shitty policy right there, even if probably wont' personally effect me. Unless I move into a new place, I guess.
Again, pretty dumb, but the circumstances needed for this to be relevant are pretty unlikely. Still, it would it be nice if it weren't an issue at all.
Yeah, this isn't really a selling point. It something that I would ASSUME. Well, unless I'd read all the bullshit up there.^^^
Again, not really sure what this means. Still, kinda shitty they're making things like this more complicated then they have any right to be.
And there' the kicker. I already know that I won't be buying any new consoles for at least....Let's say 18 months after launch. Obviously Microsoft is already pretty nervous by now, and if the console really does flop, I'm sure they'll start changing and discontinuing. Well, I HOPE so anyway. I guess I'll see how the console is looking a year and half down the road, and make my judgement then.
The only real difference being that you have to pay four hundred dollars to have your rights ripped away from you instead of it being completely free, PLUS However much money a month to use their internet, instead of nothing to access their servers, PLUS paying for the games themselves.Mr F. said:
Also I seriously doubt Microsoft is going to give you up to 90% Off sales like Steam. Steam doesn't kick you off and tell you "No go away you cant access the internet all your games are null". And OH RIGHT, I don't have a giant "I am spying on you" Machine that is attached to steam.
Its xbone. X1s to good a name for this piece of shit system. I liked the first xbox and the 360 alot but i refuse to buy the xbone. I liked all the other systems to. Every time i see or hear about the xbone though it just makes me mad and sick.
I love gaming, it keeps me sane and helps me fight my depression. This console makes me feel like microsoft is stabbing me in the back with every word. Licensing games? wtf micro. Cloud shit, give me a break , cloud gaming is inferior and laggy. Tv,Tv,Tv, so what? I got netflix and cable for that and im not gonna pay them extra for the "privilage " to use my hard bought games and my already paying for cable and netflix. Always on net? (fuck there 1 day shit, its still always on in a way). I have good broadband net but still thats total horseshit for people who dont but still liked and bought a 360. Kinect madatory? wtf seriously. I refused to buy a first gen one. I think its a gimicky useless add on and even if i wanted one for some reason, i couldnt even use the stupid thing in my small apt. I can barely get my wii to work here. The vocal command shit? Just seems to easy for someone to just fuck with you and turn off your system whenever or even on accident, maybe the xbone has a way to prevent that but micros being so vaque and dodgey about it that we still have no real answers on that. So fuck xbone. The only thing i slightly regret is that ill miss the new fable and halo but i doubt either will be any good really in hindsight since the people who made em intresting (peter M and bungie) arent working on em. I do want a wii u though and im looking forward to the ps4. Im still alittle leary on ps4 though but sofar sony seems to be learning from the mistakes of the ps3, and i liked the ps3. Microsoft lost me as a customer this gen. Hell ive bought atleast 4 360s for one reason or another last gen just cause i liked the games and controler dispite the problems. ( one rod'd , got it refurbished then it died again, bought another one but it was the shitty arcade version, got the third so i could have a bigger hd drive and then got the fourth ,which i still have, when the thirds hd drive was still 2 small for my needs)but again i refuse competely to buy a xbone ever.
I love gaming, it keeps me sane and helps me fight my depression. This console makes me feel like microsoft is stabbing me in the back with every word. Licensing games? wtf micro. Cloud shit, give me a break , cloud gaming is inferior and laggy. Tv,Tv,Tv, so what? I got netflix and cable for that and im not gonna pay them extra for the "privilage " to use my hard bought games and my already paying for cable and netflix. Always on net? (fuck there 1 day shit, its still always on in a way). I have good broadband net but still thats total horseshit for people who dont but still liked and bought a 360. Kinect madatory? wtf seriously. I refused to buy a first gen one. I think its a gimicky useless add on and even if i wanted one for some reason, i couldnt even use the stupid thing in my small apt. I can barely get my wii to work here. The vocal command shit? Just seems to easy for someone to just fuck with you and turn off your system whenever or even on accident, maybe the xbone has a way to prevent that but micros being so vaque and dodgey about it that we still have no real answers on that. So fuck xbone. The only thing i slightly regret is that ill miss the new fable and halo but i doubt either will be any good really in hindsight since the people who made em intresting (peter M and bungie) arent working on em. I do want a wii u though and im looking forward to the ps4. Im still alittle leary on ps4 though but sofar sony seems to be learning from the mistakes of the ps3, and i liked the ps3. Microsoft lost me as a customer this gen. Hell ive bought atleast 4 360s for one reason or another last gen just cause i liked the games and controler dispite the problems. ( one rod'd , got it refurbished then it died again, bought another one but it was the shitty arcade version, got the third so i could have a bigger hd drive and then got the fourth ,which i still have, when the thirds hd drive was still 2 small for my needs)but again i refuse competely to buy a xbone ever.
One solution, that is not the buy the thing. Ever since I saw the release and PR talk, I knew it was boned. This has been a large cross on my list since then.
They are making very very bad decisions and publicizing them is making it even worse Microsoft has always been the "big bad" and this isn't helping. It's just too america-centric.
They are making very very bad decisions and publicizing them is making it even worse Microsoft has always been the "big bad" and this isn't helping. It's just too america-centric.
Tell another!UnnDunn said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
Seriously though I'm not buying this damn thing. I've been playing since second generation and have never had 'brand loyalty'. I haven't touched a Nintendo console since the N64 made me sick, and this system does almost the same thing... except it was the N64's graphics that made me physically sick.
