Drugs you think should be legalized?
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Don't use the stuff myself, but I would have absolutely no qualms against the legalization, regulation, and taxation of marijuana. It's the idiots who overemphasize its use that make the whole collective of users look like idiots.
All of them.
I don't see why we should be told what we can and cannot do to our own bodies, age restrictions are fine, and still be held accountable for our actions whilst on chemicals.
The thing I'd need to think about is how the healthcare should work in situations where it's drug intake that has directly harmed you. It shouldn't be free, but I don't think falling over to a broken leg when you were drunk should be ignored just because you were drunk. Lung cancer from smoking you should be able to pay for treatment, but not have it handed to you.
[small]My views on healthcare in this scenario haven't been fully worked out, I could swing from making it totally free to users being banned from hospitals. Haven't decided.[/small]
I don't see why we should be told what we can and cannot do to our own bodies, age restrictions are fine, and still be held accountable for our actions whilst on chemicals.
The thing I'd need to think about is how the healthcare should work in situations where it's drug intake that has directly harmed you. It shouldn't be free, but I don't think falling over to a broken leg when you were drunk should be ignored just because you were drunk. Lung cancer from smoking you should be able to pay for treatment, but not have it handed to you.
[small]My views on healthcare in this scenario haven't been fully worked out, I could swing from making it totally free to users being banned from hospitals. Haven't decided.[/small]
To quote Kat Williams 'You aint never heard of a mo-f**** overdosing on weed' and 'Asparin is perfectly legal but if you take 13 of them it'll be your last headache' and i belive thats true there are much more harmfull things that are legal. I fully support the legalisation of Marijuana. You never know the word may just be a litle more relaxed
Drugs to legalize and why
Pot, because it doesn't hurt anyone and could be a major source of revenue for any government
Ecstasy, same case as pot
LSD, same again
Drugs that should be legalized
Cocaine, because it causes bodily harm
Heroine, this drug is actually one of the worst for your body
Methamphetamines, of any kind, these are horrible and do extreme amounts of damage
ALSO!
Drugs should be vended by the government, so they can rehab any addicts BEFORE they become homeless and such, or die
Pot, because it doesn't hurt anyone and could be a major source of revenue for any government
Ecstasy, same case as pot
LSD, same again
Drugs that should be legalized
Cocaine, because it causes bodily harm
Heroine, this drug is actually one of the worst for your body
Methamphetamines, of any kind, these are horrible and do extreme amounts of damage
ALSO!
Drugs should be vended by the government, so they can rehab any addicts BEFORE they become homeless and such, or die
I'd rather have cannabis legalised than have alcohol staying legal. All of the people I know who smoke weed have never once had a violent episode or even anything worse than coughing.
Yet alcohol, which causes cirrhosis, massive amounts of inebriation, constant fights, stupidity and so forth, is legal. Not to mention driving while high works out a lot better than driving drunk.
Yet alcohol, which causes cirrhosis, massive amounts of inebriation, constant fights, stupidity and so forth, is legal. Not to mention driving while high works out a lot better than driving drunk.
Uhh, no. LSD and Ecstasy cause quite a bit of bodily damage. The fact that Ecstasy is mostly methamphetamine shows you don't quite know what you're on about. LSD overheats your body and can seriously damage your brain. It's very much a wildcard, and that's why it's illegal. You can smoke your first blunt and suffer no ill effects besides coughing and spluttering. Your first hit of LSD could be your last.Rainboq said:
I would legalize any drugs that does not contain addictive ingredients (and by that logic I'd outlaw tobacco and probably alchohol). As far as I know there is no chemical addictive ingredient in cannabis for example...but feel free to correct my ignorance. Any drugs, hallucinogenics or whatever should be legal as long as you cant get addicted (in the way that you NEED the drugs...not that you simply want them...)
I'm in favor of personal freedom, and I'd like to know I can have fun in any way I want as long as I'm not hurting anyone. On the other hand I am also a fan of society...and I think its unfair that society should pay for the stupid mistakes of drug addicts for example. If you're stupid enough to shoot up on heroin you deserve what you get imo...I dont want to pay for your treatment/medicine.
I'm in favor of personal freedom, and I'd like to know I can have fun in any way I want as long as I'm not hurting anyone. On the other hand I am also a fan of society...and I think its unfair that society should pay for the stupid mistakes of drug addicts for example. If you're stupid enough to shoot up on heroin you deserve what you get imo...I dont want to pay for your treatment/medicine.
It's a double edged sword. There's already so many problems with illegal drug use and trafficking, but according to ex-addicts, breaking the law for it was 'part of the rush', along with the euphoria most narcotics are known to supply.
Would legalising drugs increase the use (and thus the harm) or increase responsibility of use (not doing it sheerly for the rush anymore)?
Would legalising drugs increase the use (and thus the harm) or increase responsibility of use (not doing it sheerly for the rush anymore)?
Of course there's addictive properties of cannabis, though they are very mild. Certain strains (skunk, for example) are more addictive than tobacco, but the effects are longer lasting, so less is "needed" in the long term.tzimize said:
You say you like personal freedom and think that you should be able to shoot up "enough" and not hurt anyone, but it doesn't work like that. Harder drugs have an unbelievable amount of addiction tied with them, with Heroin being the most mind-consuming one. Even shooting up once or twice can cause the body to begin thinking that it NEEDS the drug. Trying to deny that is like saying you can give up food or air on a whim. Not to mention certain drugs put you totally out of your mind, removing all sense of reality and your inhibitions.
It's not others paying the price because people did too much drugs, it's that the drugs have a far greater effect and a wider spectrum of knock-on effects than most people realise.
I'll start off by saying that I'm straight Edge and have never been high nor drunk. It isn't my thing. I do not think that most drugs should be legal. Pot is the one I don't really care about if it is legal or not. The people that seem to need pot are pretty pathetic people though. It is as if pot has some magical property. It is just a plant, people. Don't let it control you.
I also think some other drugs should never be legal, like meth and heroin. I've seen what meth does to people, even those that just make it. Meth cookers become paranoid schizophrenics and booby trap their labs to the teeth in ways you would never expect. Most people will never see a meth lab, but I have in my work and almost been killed and maimed by the traps these people set for intruders. Meth is some bad shit, and should never even be used, let alone legal.
Heroin is another drug I hope is never legal. It is defiantly one of the hardest drugs you will find. I am all for personal choice, but the fact of the matter is if it becomes legal, then their will be more tolerance for it. If it is legal then people assume it must not be that bad for you, just look at the attitude towards alcohol. I really don't want my son growing up and when he turns 21 goes to a heroin bar to shoot up for the first time.
I also think some other drugs should never be legal, like meth and heroin. I've seen what meth does to people, even those that just make it. Meth cookers become paranoid schizophrenics and booby trap their labs to the teeth in ways you would never expect. Most people will never see a meth lab, but I have in my work and almost been killed and maimed by the traps these people set for intruders. Meth is some bad shit, and should never even be used, let alone legal.
Heroin is another drug I hope is never legal. It is defiantly one of the hardest drugs you will find. I am all for personal choice, but the fact of the matter is if it becomes legal, then their will be more tolerance for it. If it is legal then people assume it must not be that bad for you, just look at the attitude towards alcohol. I really don't want my son growing up and when he turns 21 goes to a heroin bar to shoot up for the first time.
*sigh*
I'm not going to comment on legalizing drugs (Really, the only one that you should be able to argue for legalization is weed. If you honestly think cocaine would do wonders on a store shelf, I'm not sure what to say that wont get me banned). And I don't have the time this morning to argue.
All I wanted to add is this: You cannot argue weed should be legalized by comparing it to smoking and alcohol. Alcohol, but all rights, should be illegal (It's been before in some places). The only reason it ISN'T is because of our history with it, and the fact that its impossible to remove from our society. You drink wine at weddings, toast to your bosses retirement, and probably get laid (or your first down in flames experience) while drunk. Its just part of who we are, and if it wasn't no one would touch the shit.
Weed does not share this love affair with us as a society, so it can't get in by trying to compare itself to alcohol.
Cigarettes are closer. There's no doubt that tobacco is more harmful than weed (Well, some science studies argue it, but I wont here), but tobacco is getting more and more segregated from society, and in fact may become illegal (in the US) soon. Comparing weed to tobacco in an argument for legalization is like tying yourself to a sinking ship.
No, weeds going to have to get in on its own merits, and quite frankly, as much as it doesn't hurt you, it doesn't really help most medically either (And even if it did help, that's grounds for increased medical application, not for grocery store checkout lanes).
I see no reason why we should legalize weed. Would I fight against it? Eh, I don't really care that much about a piss poor drug advocated by hippies.
I'm not going to comment on legalizing drugs (Really, the only one that you should be able to argue for legalization is weed. If you honestly think cocaine would do wonders on a store shelf, I'm not sure what to say that wont get me banned). And I don't have the time this morning to argue.
All I wanted to add is this: You cannot argue weed should be legalized by comparing it to smoking and alcohol. Alcohol, but all rights, should be illegal (It's been before in some places). The only reason it ISN'T is because of our history with it, and the fact that its impossible to remove from our society. You drink wine at weddings, toast to your bosses retirement, and probably get laid (or your first down in flames experience) while drunk. Its just part of who we are, and if it wasn't no one would touch the shit.
Weed does not share this love affair with us as a society, so it can't get in by trying to compare itself to alcohol.
Cigarettes are closer. There's no doubt that tobacco is more harmful than weed (Well, some science studies argue it, but I wont here), but tobacco is getting more and more segregated from society, and in fact may become illegal (in the US) soon. Comparing weed to tobacco in an argument for legalization is like tying yourself to a sinking ship.
No, weeds going to have to get in on its own merits, and quite frankly, as much as it doesn't hurt you, it doesn't really help most medically either (And even if it did help, that's grounds for increased medical application, not for grocery store checkout lanes).
I see no reason why we should legalize weed. Would I fight against it? Eh, I don't really care that much about a piss poor drug advocated by hippies.
Marijuana should be legalised.
Most people do it illegally anyway, the govt should just make it legal, tax it, and control it.
If it allows cigarettes and alcohol to be sold legally, both of which do a lot more harm then smoking pot, then i dont see the problem
Most people do it illegally anyway, the govt should just make it legal, tax it, and control it.
If it allows cigarettes and alcohol to be sold legally, both of which do a lot more harm then smoking pot, then i dont see the problem
Weed, grown naturally and not pumped full of chemical shit (which dealers can do as their is no law stopping them) is an excellent way to kick back and relax. As long as you dont smoke mountians of it daily (much like abusing any legal drug) the health risks are lower than drinking and smoking.
I hate it when one group of friends (have have about 3 friendship groups, 2 of them smoke weed on ocassion) condem my pot smoking while they are drinking straight vodka from the bottle. I try to explain that just because its legal doesnt make it any better for them but the fucking hypocrits wont listen.
I hate it when one group of friends (have have about 3 friendship groups, 2 of them smoke weed on ocassion) condem my pot smoking while they are drinking straight vodka from the bottle. I try to explain that just because its legal doesnt make it any better for them but the fucking hypocrits wont listen.
None. Even the "lighter" drugs can make you motivated to try the heavier stuff and then you're hooked, no turning back.
Our society have enough problem with smokers and drinkers already. Our government (Sweden) uses taxmoney to give junkies clean needles, I mean what the fuck...
Yes I know that it is to make them stop spreading HIV and other diseases but if you're so down in your shit than it's better you just drop down and die.
Our society have enough problem with smokers and drinkers already. Our government (Sweden) uses taxmoney to give junkies clean needles, I mean what the fuck...
Yes I know that it is to make them stop spreading HIV and other diseases but if you're so down in your shit than it's better you just drop down and die.
All of 'em.
Why? Because I believe in absolute personal freedom.
Treatment/medicine in severe cases of addiction (and that should be advertised whenever it's possible. Yeah, I know, those throat cancer pics on tobacco can be pretty annoying - but you don't have to look at them, it's just there.) should not come from the same place as treatment/medicine for other health problems, or should at least be decided on case-by-case basis. If you're the one who started a drug habit while aware of all the potential dangers (that should be advertised on the product), take responsibility about it. It's not the "evil drugs make me addicted!" it's the "I made a choice with full knowledge of potential consequences" thing.
And in case of more society-oriented healthcare systems (Canada, for example) you could simply make all the drug related spending' an extra, not coming out of everyone's paychecks but something government could make a cut for when selling the actual legalized drugs.
Or whatever.
The whole "oh no it is harmful" argument is rather weak in my opinion. There are plenty, PLENTY of legal substances that are easily capable of doing damage to you or even killing you. And you don't even need a prescription for many of those. And I'm only talking about substances you're supposed to consume here, like, say, aspirin, not some fuckin' industrial glue.
As long as you advertise all the harmful effects - and do it correctly, not lie about them as so many anti-drug commercials and pamphlets do (although the former are especially hilarious... 50s-60s anti drug tv propaganda is hilarious) - people should have the ability to make the decision. It's basic personal responsibility.
Nobody - NOBODY should be telling YOU how to live YOUR life. Be responsible. If you want to go on a killing spree, fine, do it - but understand that you're outnumbered and have literally 0% chance of survival. If you want to kill yourself, do it - it's your own body and you should be making your own decisions for yourself. Why should the government tell YOU what you can consume?
Sure, they can advise you not to - but wouldn't you be pissed if something you like was banned because it was no longer considered "useful" or "healthy"? People should be educated, not imprisoned.
Why? Because I believe in absolute personal freedom.
Treatment/medicine in severe cases of addiction (and that should be advertised whenever it's possible. Yeah, I know, those throat cancer pics on tobacco can be pretty annoying - but you don't have to look at them, it's just there.) should not come from the same place as treatment/medicine for other health problems, or should at least be decided on case-by-case basis. If you're the one who started a drug habit while aware of all the potential dangers (that should be advertised on the product), take responsibility about it. It's not the "evil drugs make me addicted!" it's the "I made a choice with full knowledge of potential consequences" thing.
And in case of more society-oriented healthcare systems (Canada, for example) you could simply make all the drug related spending' an extra, not coming out of everyone's paychecks but something government could make a cut for when selling the actual legalized drugs.
Or whatever.
The whole "oh no it is harmful" argument is rather weak in my opinion. There are plenty, PLENTY of legal substances that are easily capable of doing damage to you or even killing you. And you don't even need a prescription for many of those. And I'm only talking about substances you're supposed to consume here, like, say, aspirin, not some fuckin' industrial glue.
As long as you advertise all the harmful effects - and do it correctly, not lie about them as so many anti-drug commercials and pamphlets do (although the former are especially hilarious... 50s-60s anti drug tv propaganda is hilarious) - people should have the ability to make the decision. It's basic personal responsibility.
Nobody - NOBODY should be telling YOU how to live YOUR life. Be responsible. If you want to go on a killing spree, fine, do it - but understand that you're outnumbered and have literally 0% chance of survival. If you want to kill yourself, do it - it's your own body and you should be making your own decisions for yourself. Why should the government tell YOU what you can consume?
Sure, they can advise you not to - but wouldn't you be pissed if something you like was banned because it was no longer considered "useful" or "healthy"? People should be educated, not imprisoned.
Drugs have bad long term effects on people, and yes that includes weed.
I don't think they should be legalised, as they are very harmful to people, and if people got their hands on it more easily than now, more people would get hooked, which is bad.
That isn't to say that I don't think some recreational weed every now and again is bad, but people would start abusing it (and more) more than ever.
I don't think they should be legalised, as they are very harmful to people, and if people got their hands on it more easily than now, more people would get hooked, which is bad.
That isn't to say that I don't think some recreational weed every now and again is bad, but people would start abusing it (and more) more than ever.
Oh yeah, dont misunderstand. I dont want heroin legalized at all. But are you sure cannabis is more addictive than nicotine? I'm pretty sure I read in some science magazine that nicotine is as addictive as heroin (or as difficult to quit taking) you just dont get addicted that quick.Joshimodo said:
I think ectasy and pot could probably be legalized, I don't do either, but if they made them both at safe and consistent concentrations and charged a shit load for them it would be just the same alcohol and tobacco.