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ImperialSunlight

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I think it depends on what you feel about her. If it is merely an attraction based thing, I'd say to just stay as friends, as simple attraction isn't worth ruining a friendship over. If you feel a real connection to her beyond sex, I'd say to pursue it if you think she may feel the same way. This is, of course, ignoring her being a transwoman, which I personally consider inconsequential in terms of love. But that's just me.
 

Angie7F

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I think it is ok for you to be attracted to your friend because usually (not always) people change genders not just to match how they feel inside, but also because they want to be sexually attractive in the gender they feel most comfortable in.
If you were already friends to begin with i am sure it means you get along with each other regardless of the gender.
 

zidine100

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make sure she isnt pulling your leg first, it would be kind of awkward and this is the internet after all.
and meh if shes cute its fine, don't sweat the details it makes life alot more simpler,
 

Colour Scientist

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BloatedGuppy said:
I remember EVERYONE.
That doesn't sound threatening at all :D

OP: if you're attracted to her, you're attracted to her. I'd be more wary of problems caused by geography rather than sex or gender.
 

BloatedGuppy

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Colour-Scientist said:
That doesn't sound threatening at all :D
I'm too tired and lazy to present a threat to anyone. Possibly a threat to your patience, but that's about it.
 

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I thought I'd throw my two cents in, here. I'm going to use the royal 'we' a lot, so I apologize if this comes across as me speaking for everyone in my same boat.

(Just to qualify myself, here)
I am an MtF Transsexed individual (the term Transsexual/Transsexed denote any individual who actively pursues hormone/surgical treatment) who's been in the process of transitioning since I was 15. I've spent many hours volunteering with LGTBQ+ organizations and getting to know Transmen (FTMs) and Transwomen (MTFs) from a fairly diverse range of age groups, ethnicities, and socioeconomic conditions.

(On topic, now)
While I am breaking my own rule about posting uncited information, I am quite lazy, so here goes!
Studies done in the United States and the Netherlands since the early 1970s to today have found that the neurological behavior of an MtF's brain is generally indistinguishable from the neurological behavior of a natal female (an individual born with ovaries/uterus/the works). The reverse is also true - FtMs show brain activity that is generally indistinguishable from that of a natal male. I won't bore you with the rest of the neural/hormonal response stuff (I'll post a decent resource down below) but what it ends up meaning is that there's a fairly decently documented biological reason we in the trans community end up transitioning - we really are (chromosomes notwithstanding) at least partially legitimately members of the sexes we come to understand ourselves as being.

(This part's a lot more open to interpretation)
It seems to me that if you're finding yourself attracted to a transwoman, you're probably attracted to her feminine qualities. I've had enough people proposition me to infer that it's an easy thing to do! The scientific stuff I posted above would tend to imply that being attracted to her wouldn't qualify you as gay/bisexual on its own merits, as she wasn't really a guy at any point in her life - she just wasn't aware of that fact until she came out/transitioned/what have you. That's not to say that you may not be bisexual, but your attraction to her is essentially a heterosexual act.

On another note, hat's off to everyone who posted something demonstrating tolerance or outright acceptance! The suicide rate among trans people (last time I checked) is still holding at about 30%, so we can use all the tolerance/allies we can get! I'll be mentioning this thread to a few of my other trans friends. I think they'll be as appreciative of your kindness as I am.

And before I forget, if you want to go digging and fact-checking, here's a link to one of the more solid sources of information. In the spirit of fairness, it was written by a transwoman and so should be taken to have a bit of bias behind it. It's also got information that hasn't been kept abreast of newer research, but you all have google, so if you're interested, you won't be left hurting for information.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html
 

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CatsCradle said:
I thought I'd throw my two cents in, here. I'm going to use the royal 'we' a lot, so I apologize if this comes across as me speaking for everyone in my same boat.

(Just to qualify myself, here)
I am an MtF Transsexed individual (the term Transsexual/Transsexed denote any individual who actively pursues hormone/surgical treatment) who's been in the process of transitioning since I was 15. I've spent many hours volunteering with LGTBQ+ organizations and getting to know Transmen (FTMs) and Transwomen (MTFs) from a fairly diverse range of age groups, ethnicities, and socioeconomic conditions.

(On topic, now)
While I am breaking my own rule about posting uncited information, I am quite lazy, so here goes!
Studies done in the United States and the Netherlands since the early 1970s to today have found that the neurological behavior of an MtF's brain is generally indistinguishable from the neurological behavior of a natal female (an individual born with ovaries/uterus/the works). The reverse is also true - FtMs show brain activity that is generally indistinguishable from that of a natal male. I won't bore you with the rest of the neural/hormonal response stuff (I'll post a decent resource down below) but what it ends up meaning is that there's a fairly decently documented biological reason we in the trans community end up transitioning - we really are (chromosomes notwithstanding) at least partially legitimately members of the sexes we come to understand ourselves as being.

(This part's a lot more open to interpretation)
It seems to me that if you're finding yourself attracted to a transwoman, you're probably attracted to her feminine qualities. I've had enough people proposition me to infer that it's an easy thing to do! The scientific stuff I posted above would tend to imply that being attracted to her wouldn't qualify you as gay/bisexual on its own merits, as she wasn't really a guy at any point in her life - she just wasn't aware of that fact until she came out/transitioned/what have you. That's not to say that you may not be bisexual, but your attraction to her is essentially a heterosexual act.

On another note, hat's off to everyone who posted something demonstrating tolerance or outright acceptance! The suicide rate among trans people (last time I checked) is still holding at about 30%, so we can use all the tolerance/allies we can get! I'll be mentioning this thread to a few of my other trans friends. I think they'll be as appreciative of your kindness as I am.

And before I forget, if you want to go digging and fact-checking, here's a link to one of the more solid sources of information. In the spirit of fairness, it was written by a transwoman and so should be taken to have a bit of bias behind it. It's also got information that hasn't been kept abreast of newer research, but you all have google, so if you're interested, you won't be left hurting for information.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html
Hello there and welcome to the Escapist! Glad to have you here. I've got a little note about the studies that you mentioned: I do believe you're referring to Zhou et al. (1995), and Kruijver et al. (2000). Thought I might add that for quick reference for anyone who wants to research further.
 

miketehmage

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Do what makes you happy OP

Personally in my mind though, if someone is born male, they will always be male. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but there's no way I could date a girl knowing she used to be a guy.

I'd more likely date a guy who used to be a girl.

And I'm straight.