Dutch culture from the viewpoint of an immigrant. (warning: rant, some swearing)

[sextus the crazy]

He never pointed out the "prepping" movement. He pointed out right-wing nutjobs.

"It's not preparing for the apocalypse to stock up on a shit load of armaments"

But gathering weapons so that you can give them to family and friends is one of the main points of prepping. He's just being inconsiderate for others' opinions about what to do after SHTF.

He never said all of them we're like that. I see him just pointing out bible-belt right-wing nutjobs who happened to be involved.

Religious people don't prep. That actually requires use of SCIENCE.

"In the states, we've got tons of reactionary shitheads forming their own gun-toting militias because things are bad here."

No mention of right wing nor religious people.

I figured that Relgious Right-wing nutjob was somewhat implied when I was talking about militias. I'm talking about militias formed by people who aren't under any real threat of danger or widespread social marginalization.

It's not preparing for the apocalypse to stock up on a shit load of armaments; it's preparing for them fereigners and mewslims when they show up to take our god given rights *sarcasm* to carry as much weaponry as we want because we hate fereigners so much.

These people are preparing for an armageddon that won't come.

Way to be a bigot. Have you noticed that your prejudice is no different than a xenophobe? I am an atheist. And so are a lot of "preppers" (or whatever). "OH MY THEIR GAWD GIVEN RIGHTS!" doesn't really work. It's just like saying that everyone darker than me is a Muslim.

I was pretending to be an uninformed racist dickhead in my statement. I was trying to point out Militias whose purpose is a rejection of the country coming to terms with non-whites,non-christians, and the LGBT community. I'm an atheist myself and have friends of just about every religious denomination.

 

[ElPatron]

I figured that Relgious Right-wing nutjob was somewhat implied when I was talking about militias. I'm talking about militias formed by people who aren't under any real threat of danger or widespread social marginalization.

My opinion is that militias should exist all the time. Like Switzerland. Don't they have a "well regulated militia"? It's what the founding fathers wanted.

I doubt Switzerland is under any real threat.

I was trying to point out Militias whose purpose is a rejection of the country coming to terms with non-whites,non-christians, and the LGBT community.

The closest thing I heard about that was the people trying to close the border.

Considering how criminals use the border to bring drugs and take guns to Mexico, I don't judge people living the border for being terrorized by the cartels.

I have never heard about a militia trying to take away others' freedoms. That just sounds uncanny.

I'm an atheist myself and have friends of just about every religious denomination.

The "some of my best friends are black" argument?

 

[sextus the crazy]

I figured that Relgious Right-wing nutjob was somewhat implied when I was talking about militias. I'm talking about militias formed by people who aren't under any real threat of danger or widespread social marginalization.

My opinion is that militias should exist all the time. Like Switzerland. Don't they have a "well regulated militia"? It's what the founding fathers wanted.

I doubt Switzerland is under any real threat.

The Difference between the Swiss and US is that all of their militia is made up of previously-conscripted ex-soldiers. If our militias had all of the previous training and discipline and such of our Military, I'd feel better about militias.

On a side note, if a militia is supposed to protect us from the government, how does one "regulate" it well? The government's the only body that seems large and influencial enough to do it and they wouldn't be impartial.

I was trying to point out Militias whose purpose is a rejection of the country coming to terms with non-whites,non-christians, and the LGBT community.

The closest thing I heard about that was the people trying to close the border.

Considering how criminals use the border to bring drugs and take guns to Mexico, I don't judge people living the border for being terrorized by the cartels.

I have never heard about a militia trying to take away others' freedoms. That just sounds uncanny.

Yeah, I was thinking more about people on the border who take it past "defend ourselves against armed thugs" and go to "harass the local Mexicans because they could be illegals or drug dealers or whatnot."

I'm an atheist myself and have friends of just about every religious denomination.

The "some of my best friends are black" argument?

Perhaps; it was to emphasize my refutation of your calling me a racist because apparently sarcasm is hard to express on the internet. You were accusing me of such in a previous post, so I felt I should refute that statement.

 

[danodanz]

Speaking strictly from experience, I'd say there's no worst place than England.

Those unfamiliar with English affairs will probably be enlightened by the antics of the 'EDL' (English Defence League).

Basically a group of idiots, who claim to stand up for Englands rights against Islam4UK (Another extreme political group who've been banned, I believe).
But really, they're just a bunch of yobs who hate anyone of different cultures and/or people with jobs.

It's especially worst here, and even more so pointless as my hometown Plymouth, has a 94% White population. It's probably horrible being of different background down here.

Though the 4% collectively are either Doctors, Paramedics, or in general high up in their field of work. So I can't quite fathom why people have such beef with them.

Ignorance is bliss, apparently...

 

[ElPatron]

The Difference between the Swiss and US is that all of their militia is made up of previously-conscripted ex-soldiers. If our militias had all of the previous training and discipline and such of our Military, I'd feel better about militias.

On a side note, if a militia is supposed to protect us from the government, how does one "regulate" it well? The government's the only body that seems large and influencial enough to do it and they wouldn't be impartial.

Someone being in the military doesn't say anything about their discipline. Let's not forget the very low standards on the US military and the differences between conscripts and volunteers.

The armed forces are also under scrutiny of the government but in '74 it was the military that brought down the fascist regime in my country.

Perhaps; it was to emphasize my refutation of your calling me a racist because apparently sarcasm is hard to express on the internet. You were accusing me of such in a previous post, so I felt I should refute that statement.

racist

racist

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Racism is not the only kind of prejudice. And the "some of my best friends are X" argument doesn't refute anything worth refuting.

 

[sextus the crazy]

The Difference between the Swiss and US is that all of their militia is made up of previously-conscripted ex-soldiers. If our militias had all of the previous training and discipline and such of our Military, I'd feel better about militias.

On a side note, if a militia is supposed to protect us from the government, how does one "regulate" it well? The government's the only body that seems large and influencial enough to do it and they wouldn't be impartial.

Someone being in the military doesn't say anything about their discipline. Let's not forget the very low standards on the US military and the differences between conscripts and volunteers.

The armed forces are also under scrutiny of the government but in '74 it was the military that brought down the fascist regime in my country.

Perhaps; it was to emphasize my refutation of your calling me a racist because apparently sarcasm is hard to express on the internet. You were accusing me of such in a previous post, so I felt I should refute that statement.

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Racism is not the only kind of prejudice. And the "some of my best friends are X" argument doesn't refute anything worth refuting.

How have a been a bigot? Disagreeing with someone's opinions doesn't make them a bigot.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I'm gonna agree with Jonluw here, this kind of stuff is happening all over Europe. Where I live, Switzerland, the discussions about foreigners never seem to end, and you can't trust the media reporting it to be neutral anyway, since they'd rather just have a good story. The truth gets muddled, and it gets difficult to see how much of it stems from actual socio-economic problems and how much of it is pure racism.

Same in CZ. An English person is either praised like a god or treated like the Devil, no middle ground.

If you're black.... that's a scary situation.

Asians are also treated with passive aggressiveness.

Like the OP I know a lot of great people here too... sometimes it makes you wonder though.

Honestly, I think England is still the worst culprit for this though.

Is it really? I know we have a very unpleasant vocal minority here just like everyone else, but unlike some countries on the mainland, our vile right-wing extremists (BNP, EDL, and to a lesser extent UKIP) still have no presence in Parliament, so what they think counts for precisely fuck all.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

"Why did you vote for the PVV, ma'm?"

"Well to get those foreigners out, ofcourse."

Yes I really saw this on tv and yes I am ashamed to be dutch.

It's always amusing to me when this kind of stuff is said.

I mean, you have people wishing for stricter rules on immigration. Then you look at countries that have these stricter rules, and their worse off. Just today I was talking to someone who said he wished Germany was more like Italy in regards to right wing politics and racism and everything really, which is quite amusing, because we liberal communist ****** loving types over here have a much stronger economy and infrastructure...

To be fair I think Italy's economic situation has more to to with Berlusconi having spent all their money on hookers and bribes, rather than right-wing policies. But yeah, what a lot of people in Western Europe don't seem to understand is that our baby-boomers of the mid-20th century are getting closer and closer to retirement, and with our birth rates having fallen through the fucking floor since then we soon won't have enough native young people working to pay for the older majority. Soon, we're going to need more people coming over here to work if our economies are going to take the hit. We'll be glad to have them then, unless we already scared them all off, in which case we're going to wish we'd been a lot nicer to them.

 

[ElPatron]

TBH I'd feel a bit silly preparing for tsunamis and heavy earthquakes while living in central Europe.

Let's hope I never ever have to eat my words on that one.

I am close to the shore at nearly the sea level, only a few kms away from a big fault line and most buildings are too old to have seismic protection.

Obviously it's a lot more relevant to me because my city has been destroyed by a tsunami before.

The people at Koreantown in LA did what they could to protect themselves. The riot hit Korean businesses pretty hard. They weren't morons like Nutnfancy and his "Sheepdawgs".

Shooting dead people based on their skin colour from high on a wall is not protecting yourself.

Where the fudge is that implied ANYWHERE? You're just seeking a reason to argue.

EDIT: shooting dead people? That's a zombie apocalypse.

Shooting dead a looter in your store is also not protecting yourself, it's saying that a person's life is worth less than the few pennies they might manage to steal.

Have you and your family ever been surrounded by an angry mob starting fires?

Are you saying that 54 lives and 3000 injuries are worth a few pennies? Let's not mention over 1 billion in material damage.

You could have just opened a tab and googled "1992 LA riot". But no, making people look bad on the internet is more important, so therefore 54 lives = pennies.

 

[ElPatron]

How have a been a bigot? Disagreeing with someone's opinions doesn't make them a bigot.

One thing is disagreement.

It's not preparing for the apocalypse to stock up on a shit load of armaments; it's preparing for them fereigners and mewslims when they show up to take our god given rights *sarcasm* to carry as much weaponry as we want because we hate fereigners so much.

These people are preparing for an armageddon that won't come.

Another is prejudice.

 

[sextus the crazy]

How have a been a bigot? Disagreeing with someone's opinions doesn't make them a bigot.

One thing is disagreement.

It's not preparing for the apocalypse to stock up on a shit load of armaments; it's preparing for them fereigners and mewslims when they show up to take our god given rights *sarcasm* to carry as much weaponry as we want because we hate fereigners so much.

These people are preparing for an armageddon that won't come.

Another is prejudice.

it's preparing for them fereigners and mewslims when they show up to take our god given rights *sarcasm* to carry as much weaponry as we want because we hate fereigners so much.

does the bolded word mean anything to you?

And as I stated before, I was jokingly making that comment. Did you not notice the southern accent permeating my spelling? I was making fun of such people; apparently you can't detect obvious, clearly written sarcasm.

I detest the sort of racist bigots who arm themselves every time they notice that they're not the only sort of people who exist, which was why I was mockingly emulating their manner of speech.

 

[sextus the crazy]

Where the fudge is that implied ANYWHERE? You're just seeking a reason to argue.

You're the one posting an image of crazy vigilantes who'd most likely murder people for having a certain skin colour and attempting to enter a certain area, accompanied by a text expressing respect and admiration, what would you expect?

As much as I hate to agree with the guy I'm arguing with, This is the LA race riots were talking about. Banding together to protect your shop from rioters is a valid reason to take up arms. Obviously, I'd hope they'd try to intimidate the rioters with clearly displaying their weapons and possibly with warning shots.

 

[=y]

Living in a small town here in Canada as someone born here, I notice a lot of people complaining about immigrants here too. Not to the extent of what you're describing but a fair number of rants in public have happened around me.

Anyway its always disgusting when people stop treating others like intelligent, compassionate human beings because they weren't conceived and brought into the world on their soil. People suck.

 

[sextus the crazy]

Banding together to protect your shop from rioters is a valid reason to take up arms.

So basically you think that stealing is a valid reason to murder another human being?

This isn't just theft; it's riot looting. It's violent as hell and taking up arms to protect oneself is valid when a bunch of angry rioters fuck up your shop and threaten you. Obviously you want to minimize casualties and should shoot to intimidate or wound rather than kill, but if you're under attack and under threat of violence, protecting your self with firearms is perfectly valid.