Elitism and You.
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When I say useless, I mean you have to throw it out instead of fix it. And the story does matter. Don't dilute yourself.xitel said:
When I'm proving I have better memory when applying for a job. I actually had to do that for the job I'm applying for right now.xitel said:
While I appreciate your flair for the dramatic, I must say you misread my message. I help the little guys, it's true. The big guys, like The Scientific Community, The Church, anything that's a noun that's only proper when capitalized (The Government) are the big guys. I'm a little guy, you're a little guy, SimuLord is a little guy, and nilcypher is a little guy. We're not an establishment, we're not the end all be-all. We're the little guy. I help mjhhiv, the little guy, as well as RAKtheUndead, the little guy. We're all the little guys, until we move together to accomplish something greater. Stephen Hawking, Einstein, Jefferson, they had peers. Fellow scientists, advisors, cabinets.theklng said:
And you again misinterpret. I'm not helping those weaker. I can, on occasion, help those in worse circumstances, much like I could just as easily buy a burger for the CEO of Microsoft or the President as I could an impoverished orphan. We're all little guys, without our big names, fancy titles, and big posse. Why do you think we have an army of one, instead of just the one? Why the few, the proud, the Marines? Once again, not weak, not strong, just peers.
Also, you mention "semantics, not syntax". But earlier, did I not state:
Not correcting grammar, clarifying statements. Semantics, not syntax. (Syntax is just icing.)NewClassic said:
Although, frankly, it seems like all we do is gauge each other as elitist attempts at being above one-another, and I think it's silly. We both misinterpretted one another, and it's making us argue over something we seem to agree on. Why?
Also, as a simple note, I am never going to become "The Greatest." Simply because it doesn't exist. The statement "There will always be someone better than you." rings true 100% of the time. So I'm not trying to be stalwart grammar hero Nuke Lassic, lord of the legions of grammar.
I'm just trying to help. Little guy or not.
The other guy couldn't provide an obtuse story, and I could. i got the job because I knew the story. So HA!xitel said:
I correct people under three conditions:
a.) they're wrong
b.) I know they're wrong
c.) I'm actually included in the discussion in some way
Correcting total strangers = fail.
a.) they're wrong
b.) I know they're wrong
c.) I'm actually included in the discussion in some way
Correcting total strangers = fail.
yes because what you make out of the word "you're" is going to differ, whether you capitalize the first letter or not (see: your remake of my first post); or indeed, whether you spell it "your" in some cases (see: context). or, if you want an example from your post: i still understand what you mean with "misinterpretted" even though your spelling isn't correct.NewClassic said:
i'm not being smug about you having faults, or that your attitude in your first post was sarcastic and rude; because i know that perfection cannot exist within the physical limitations of this universe. i'm not perfect either, but i never said that i was. if you consider yourself intelligent, then you should learn from your mistakes. don't judge people on spelling, especially when you can't properly do it yourself.
in your statement about little guys, allow me to repost what i posted in my previous post:
serving your community. that's what you do. replace community with any other form of group of people. your society, your inner friends group, what have you. you have your "peers" which you somehow consider equals, yet they only ask you when they want something from you. polish up their review? invite you to a party?
this elaborates upon the "weakness" point as well, with it being arguable. sure you can serve a cheeseburger for a CEO (who consequently also is a 'little guy' outside of his company), but chances are that he can go get it himself and does not need you, eliminating your purpose. with the weak, you can serve a cheeseburger for a man that needs the cheeseburger, creating a purpose for you. the cheeseburger in this case being metaphorical.
the question "why?" remains. i am not sure you would understand. i am not even sure that i understand.
why do we keep battling? why do conflicts exist? because the mind needs purpose. purpose for itself, purpose for "something greater"; it doesn't matter. if the mind becomes idle, we become idle - while the entire universe is still in motion. it's the same argument that perfection only exists as a concept within the mind. perfection would mean that everything would live forever, know everything, see everything. the universe would become static, nothing would change and we'd be left without the ability to live and to think... we would be without a purpose.
I'm a huge book snob, unfortunately. I'm all for people reading more books, but when I see people reading girl-porn or Twilight (basically the same thing -_-) and talk about how they'd like to be a vampire and twinkle in the sun, I have to suppress a scream of rage. My sister, who got all snippy with me today, said that Twilight held as much literary merit as Harry Potter, and I really couldn't respond. Harry Potter may not be literary genius, but...-_-
In regards to the spoiler text, there lies the philosophical question, whereas I simply ask why we continue these chains of text over and over again. Although it seems like I'm being misinterpreted, and I may also misinterpret you, so I'm attempting to both elucidate on my own statements while attempting to further clarify my understanding of yours. Although, the tone always seems somewhat smug when either of us posts. Which is something I'm not actively striving for, and something I'm unsure if you're intending or not.theklng said:
As far as "misinterpretted," there were two instances of the verb "misinterpret" in differing forms, with the former (misinterpret) being correct, and the latter (misinterpretting) being incorrect. I'm not saying perfect grammar and spelling are required (although they are so vehemently encouraged), I'm simply saying do not disregard established conventions for the sake of disregarding them.
If a written piece, professional or otherwise, contains several instances of "your," and the term "you're" is never used (with your being used in its place), then I will begin to correct those. Not because it's a requirement, but because it's for the sake of clarity. Most often, there will be no overlap of your/you're, but there are occasions, and it's an easy habit to simply say "they will understand" when occasionally they won't. It's for the sake of clarity I will remark on grammar, not simply for syntax.
As far as spelling, I will (once again) only remark upon it if it is excessive or misleading. I've seen people use horrendous spelling in pieces which will inevitably confuse the reader. If it becomes that much of a problem, it will be fixed. One or two typos will make no difference in the long run.
Granted, I will be to-the-letter harsh if I'm acting as an editor, because it's the job of the editor. Otherwise, I think you're assuming something on me that isn't the case.
As far as the weak/strong argument, this isn't about the hypothetical situations, it's more about the perception. I don't perceive the "little guys" to be little compared to me, I look at the term on a larger scale. So, they aren't "weak" or "below me" or "inferior," they just are (like myself), the little guys.
As far as the asking of things, I understand my peers asking me for things. It's natural that someone could have more experience or better insight on certain things, and given how long I've been writing, I can somewhat safely assume I have a decent enough history to help edit their work, should they ask it of me. It's not that they have to ask ("Your lordship, Nuke, please red pen all over me."), it's that I sometimes feel too imposing to drop in with the red pen in mind ("Here! Take this red-penning! Compliments of Nuke! Ha ha ha!").
I don't really see where the problem is in being an elitist. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the elite is the creme de la creme of a society. As long as it's based upon a meritocratic procedure then there's nothing wrong in it. To say otherwise is taking pride in mediocrity.
you and i work on different levels. i'll only post this short notice and read any remarks upon it, because quite frankly, i can't be bothered about this anymore.NewClassic said:
what you write about yourself is what i wrote about you before. your use of the word "clarity" is superficial, again with creating purpose for yourself (i am talking strictly out of what you did here in regards to my first post; i want you to learn from your mistake there). you're not the editor of this forum and as such, it is not your duty or responsibility to edit or change them. you do so of your own will. i wouldn't have said a word if you were an editor because it would be implicit that it was your job (personally, i can't imagine the sum of money it would take to pay someone to clean up these forums every day).
as for the "philosophical" answer: i could give you a superficial one, but i would be lying. you cannot explain the actions of a person without going through his or her mind first. for me, the borderline between the profound and the mundane does not exist, and i will utilize language to its best extent; to put down exactly what i mean in words what my thoughts were in my mind.
if you limit yourself to thinking in categories or genres, and cannot cross from one to the other, there will be a point where you will find it hard to explain yourself. i have had cases where language has been unable to supply a syntax for my semantic, and i consider that enough of a limit; much less would i limit myself to only speaking certain words in certain communiques.
despite all i have written, i want to thank you. i learn while in communication, and it is often i get new perspectives from simply talking. it's not what you say, it's not how you say it, it's why you say it.
I try not to come across like one, but I know that I really am an elitist. It's mostly when people talk about video games that I get all riled up (because Portal was better than any run of the mill Call of Duty and Gears!!)
I also nearly got in a fight with someone in a restaurant recently because she got mad at a waiter when she found a piece of hair in her food. It was her own hair. It was sitting on top of the butter that she had just put on the bread herself. I told her that, and she got mad.
If you're going to define an elitist as someone who thinks they're better than others, then yes, that is me. I can also be quite modest at the same time (I'm the most modest person you know!). It's quite a mix.
I also nearly got in a fight with someone in a restaurant recently because she got mad at a waiter when she found a piece of hair in her food. It was her own hair. It was sitting on top of the butter that she had just put on the bread herself. I told her that, and she got mad.
If you're going to define an elitist as someone who thinks they're better than others, then yes, that is me. I can also be quite modest at the same time (I'm the most modest person you know!). It's quite a mix.
I have no problem with people who disagree but if they can't defend their argument with rational though then I tend to tear them apart. I hate how everyone assumes i'm arguing just to be right when i'm trying to prove that they have no actual arguments and they just disagree the second you bring up a concept. It makes me think of almost everyone in my class, I'm talking to my friend about how someone was saying that piracy is not theft because nothing is taken and no-one looses anything (in this forum actually) and I was saying how I disagreed and why (you still get something out of piracy and the compagnies loose money)then this idiot pipes up about how it's ok because everyone does it and he wouldn't pay for thoes things anyways and when I proved him wrong he just started yelling and saying i'm stubborn and wrong.
I probably consider myself elitist in some areas and not in others.
For example: at school I was academically quite good so I looked down on the other kids in class. On these forums, I'm not very elitist because most of you guys aren't morons and because I haven't been here for long enough.
For example: at school I was academically quite good so I looked down on the other kids in class. On these forums, I'm not very elitist because most of you guys aren't morons and because I haven't been here for long enough.
I was considering participating in this thread but after reading the comments I've realized I'm above your mindless drivel.
hur hur
Let's see...(not in any order)
#1-Science, but only when it comes down to religion, which brings us to
#2-Religion. I'm an Atheist so I don't care what you believe in as long as it makes you happy. But when you start telling people what they can or can't do and who they can or can't marry, that's when you need to shut up.
#3-Music. I don't think my music is better then yours,(I listen to odd indie like Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, and Arctic Monkeys), but I can't stand the majority of rap. I'll give credit to the good songs out there, if I can find them under the absolute waterfall of "bitches and hoes" style rap. Soulja Boy better not walk down a dark alley in my town!
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#1-Science, but only when it comes down to religion, which brings us to
#2-Religion. I'm an Atheist so I don't care what you believe in as long as it makes you happy. But when you start telling people what they can or can't do and who they can or can't marry, that's when you need to shut up.
#3-Music. I don't think my music is better then yours,(I listen to odd indie like Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, and Arctic Monkeys), but I can't stand the majority of rap. I'll give credit to the good songs out there, if I can find them under the absolute waterfall of "bitches and hoes" style rap. Soulja Boy better not walk down a dark alley in my town!
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I see what you did thar!crimsondynamics said: