Elitism and You.

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theklng said:
you and i work on different levels. i'll only post this short notice and read any remarks upon it, because quite frankly, i can't be bothered about this anymore.

what you write about yourself is what i wrote about you before. your use of the word "clarity" is superficial, again with creating purpose for yourself (i am talking strictly out of what you did here in regards to my first post; i want you to learn from your mistake there). you're not the editor of this forum and as such, it is not your duty or responsibility to edit or change them. you do so of your own will. i wouldn't have said a word if you were an editor because it would be implicit that it was your job (personally, i can't imagine the sum of money it would take to pay someone to clean up these forums every day).

as for the "philosophical" answer: i could give you a superficial one, but i would be lying. you cannot explain the actions of a person without going through his or her mind first. for me, the borderline between the profound and the mundane does not exist, and i will utilize language to its best extent; to put down exactly what i mean in words what my thoughts were in my mind.

if you limit yourself to thinking in categories or genres, and cannot cross from one to the other, there will be a point where you will find it hard to explain yourself. i have had cases where language has been unable to supply a syntax for my semantic, and i consider that enough of a limit; much less would i limit myself to only speaking certain words in certain communiques.

despite all i have written, i want to thank you. i learn while in communication, and it is often i get new perspectives from simply talking. it's not what you say, it's not how you say it, it's why you say it.
I must say, while this has been a very enlightening discussion, I must disagree with your method of simply regarding a single example. You appear to have taken my first action as my only, something that is not the case. So, in this way, I think we'll have to agree to disagree, simply because we're once again where we've started, with so many words expressing so little.

As such, it has been a fun perspective shift, but I don't believe myself "mistaken" because I adhere to syntax as something positive for language. On the same vein, I don't regard laws as restrictive. You are only as limited as your medium, and as such, I feel no limits when dealing with syntax. You apparently have semantics that are inexpressible through syntax. I can accept that you have such a barrier, where I feel I do not. By that vein alone, I would agree with you more than any English scholar, professor, or editor would. Granted, there are still thoughts of "If they just tried..." in my head. Though, such qualms are a function of my understanding, and as something irrevocable from my mind, I simply cannot hold my perspective against you.

So, I think the order of the night is "agree to disagree." Your perspective is unique, but not likely something I will ever understand. In retrospect, it's been a fond pleasure.

tikiwargod said:
I have no problem with people who disagree but if they can't defend their argument with rational though then I tend to tear them apart. I hate how everyone assumes i'm arguing just to be right when i'm trying to prove that they have no actual arguments and they just disagree the second you bring up a concept. It makes me think of almost everyone in my class, I'm talking to my friend about how someone was saying that piracy is not theft because nothing is taken and no-one looses anything (in this forum actually) and I was saying how I disagreed and why (you still get something out of piracy and the compagnies loose money)then this idiot pipes up about how it's ok because everyone does it and he wouldn't pay for thoes things anyways and when I proved him wrong he just started yelling and saying i'm stubborn and wrong.
We should have a debate sometime. I'd love to sit down for another long discussion like the one above, although preferably not while de-railing the thread next time.
 

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ianuam said:
I don't really see where the problem is in being an elitist. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the elite is the creme de la creme of a society. As long as it's based upon a meritocratic procedure then there's nothing wrong in it. To say otherwise is taking pride in mediocrity.
Actually Elitists only percieve themselves as the creme de la creme of society. They completely ignore that while they were becoming the creme de la creme everyone else was developing other skills which the elitists lack.

They also fail to recognise that without the people that are worse than them at their finest attributes but who compete with them, they would have no skill at all. E.G I am a master of cricket I bowl everyone for ducks and rub their faces in it, they call me an elitist and leave, I feel proud of myself only to realise that now I have no one to play with and can not enjoy my skills at all.

Oh and if my skills led me to the world stage my attitude would ensure that paparazzi hound me everywhere while everyone insults me for being so proud. This leads to my isolation and no one is happy because of my elitist attitude.

Finally there is the issue of social skills; I insult Greg for being lesser to me but later realise that I have no money for the bus, guess who I can't turn to for help.
 

Sylocat

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I am proud to be an elitist, because of this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/87748-Mob-Kills-Wal-Mart-Employee-Keeps-Shopping]. I fail to see any need for another reason.
 

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I'm a) a smartass, and b) grammar obsessive. It just click something in my brain when I see people type improperly. It ignites Bruce Banner levels of rage inside me.
 

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DirkGently said:
I'm a) a smartass, and b) grammar obsessive. It just click something in my brain when I see people type improperly. It ignites Bruce Banner levels of rage inside me.
Something doesn't gel here...
 

Joos

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Hmf, I am not going to lower myself to similar levels of these obsequious imbeciles post and in this thread.
 

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videonerd250 said:
I'm VERY elitist. It's not even about something specific, when someone says something I don't agree with I can't help but talk down to them.
hopefully i seconded
 

meatloaf231

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Derailing interjections! *klaxon*
theklng said:
you and i work on different levels. i'll only post this short notice and read any remarks upon it, because quite frankly, i can't be bothered about this anymore.
To be honest, I think you could have handled this better. The statement above oozes disdain and pretentiousness. There are less bitter ways of saying you wish to discontinue the debate than simply stating that you cannot be bothered.
NewClassic said:
Agree to disagree.
Agreeing to disagree is, to me, one of the greatest failures of debate. If one or both sides are too stubborn or narrow-minded to accept the other viewpoint as valid or reasonable, then no progress has been made, both sides generally leave more frustrated than beforehand, and time was squandered.

However, considering the hour and the extent - and unfortunate fruitlessness - to which you two have been flinging your standpoints at one another, I fear this may be the only possible outcome.

Many apologies, but I figured now was as ideal of a time as any could be to toss that into the swirling mire of subject matter. Wait, now is a terrible time. Curses! I'm about to turn in for the night, and the last thing I do is comment on a thread-spanning debate? What is wrong with me? Ah, bother it all. Don't bother derailing the thread any further, just PM me if you want to respond in any way to anything I said.
 

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videonerd250 said:
I'm VERY elitist. It's not even about something specific, when someone says something I don't agree with I can't help but talk down to them.
Was that a joke? Or are we about to have a ultimatly pointless exchange of words?
 

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I'm surrounded by very intelligent people most of the time where discussion moves through the complexities of literary theory and other pretentious wank as easily as it does gaming or beer (This is up at uni). When I head back home and talk to everyone else about anything like politics or religion, then I get a little elitist when the quality of debate isn't as high. I call myself on it though, because being an intellectual snob is really annoying, so mercifully it doesn't really ever show. Still sucks when it just happens subconsciously though =/

That said, I'm ruthlessly elitist about gaming, alcohol and curry. These things matter, dammit.
 

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Bright_Raven said:
i am not an elitist, i am just better than you!

alternitively,

acctually i am the most modest person in the world. my modesty is secont to none.

(as is my spelling!)
The only thing wrong with me is saying there's something wrong with me.

Sccye said:
That said, I'm ruthlessly elitist about gaming, alcohol and curry. These things matter, dammit.
Be merciless with your curries; always demand the best.

What type of curry and from what country?
 

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BallPtPenTheif said:
I think it's pervasive everywhere. Most people no matter how IQ defficient or actually slow they are, believe that most people besides themselves are morons. It's probably just a side effect of our heliocentric subjective existence but you would think that so many people have heard this sentiment from others that the statement should be considered pointless and ironic.
Here, here.

We say we're better because of intelligence. The jock says he's better because he's strong and has lots of friends. I had a guy calling me a loser a month back because I didn't smoke for chrissakes. 14yr old in 30yr old guise there, didn't matter, he considered himself better than me. No matter what you do, someone else will say they're superior because the way they view the world and the things they consider to be more important.

MizPiz said:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/full-list-of-stuff-white-people-like/
Heh? Do I get to be a non-white person if I don't like just about everything on that list? Maybe this is the list for American-whitey?
 

videonerd250

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goater24 said:
videonerd250 said:
I'm VERY elitist. It's not even about something specific, when someone says something I don't agree with I can't help but talk down to them.
Was that a joke? Or are we about to have a ultimatly pointless exchange of words?
Maybe an exagerration, but no joke, you mohawk wearin' British IBM Logistics...guy. (IBM Logistics, that's...cute).
 

Jamanticus

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I think the people who are elitist are the ones who make derogatory prejudgments.

Example from a user I don't care to mention:

An Elitist Troll said:
Go back into the elitist hole you crawled out of, Escapist!
This was actually said to me, among other things, and it was the most elitist comment I've heard in a long time- maybe not the part about the Escapist sometimes being elitist, but that it's a filthy and dirty place because it's not that user's home forum.
 

DirkGently

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crimsondynamics said:
DirkGently said:
I'm a) a smartass, and b) grammar obsessive. It just click something in my brain when I see people type improperly. It ignites Bruce Banner levels of rage inside me.
Something doesn't gel here...
Shush, I'm busy and important, I don't need to follow proper grammar.

Actually I'm sick and haven't been getting enough sleep, which is only exacerbating my sickness.
 

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Mr.Pandah said:
I'm sure we've all encountered some form of Elitism at some point in our lives, whether it was in an everyday conversation or on these very forums. My question to you is, What topic gets the best of you? Is it politics? Technology? The Mundane? Anything at all? I speak of things that if you hear someone say speak incorrectly about the subject matter, it irks you to the point that you must speak up and say your piece.

Mine would have to be things involving video games(how typical eh?). Its not that people can't talk about video games in front of me, but when you have those people that think the Japanese are light years ahead and have the Playstation 5 already, I can't help but speak up. (Yeah...this happened to me when the PS2 came out *sigh* people these days)
This happens to me on just about everything. Although recently I've learnt that just not responding and letting people continue to live in their own ignorance is a better way of dealing with it. Of course, this is followed by the obligatory laughing at them with more intellectual friends.

I've had people say nonsense to me about the economy like, it would be fine if they just stopped talking about it and didn't tell anyone there's a recession. Or, they should just print more money.

I had an argument about cheese with my best mate's girlfriend! I was saying how ridiculous it was that you could get cheese from a supermarket that was 100% cheese substitute. She said well what else would it be? I said, well %100 cheese! She said it's not 100% it's made of milk and stuff. I said yes but it's 100% cheese, which means cheese, by definition, is made of cheese! I hate stupidity.
 

crimsondynamics

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DirkGently said:
crimsondynamics said:
DirkGently said:
I'm a) a smartass, and b) grammar obsessive. It just click something in my brain when I see people type improperly. It ignites Bruce Banner levels of rage inside me.
Something doesn't gel here...
Shush, I'm busy and important, I don't need to follow proper grammar.

Actually I'm sick and haven't been getting enough sleep, which is only exacerbating my sickness.
We all make mistakes. I just found the irony too delicious to pass up. :)

And... get some rest!
 

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crimsondynamics said:
DirkGently said:
crimsondynamics said:
DirkGently said:
I'm a) a smartass, and b) grammar obsessive. It just click something in my brain when I see people type improperly. It ignites Bruce Banner levels of rage inside me.
Something doesn't gel here...
Shush, I'm busy and important, I don't need to follow proper grammar.

Actually I'm sick and haven't been getting enough sleep, which is only exacerbating my sickness.
We all make mistakes. I just found the irony too delicious to pass up. :)

And... get some rest!
But then I can't be sick and use it as an excuse to not do things!