SupahGamuh said:
I'm sorry, but I just can't take this thread seriously. I liked it's story and gameplay
Cant take seriously someone that doesnt read the post and dismisses a QUESTION as an opinion of a game that i havent played yet because of people like you
endtherapture said:
The fact that Half Life 2 is still being compared to modern shooters despite the fact it is 8 years old shows how good it is as a game.
I will get to you later, because replying for everyone is more easy and guaranteed to have an response because people NEVER read comments after the first 2 pages if i dont quote them. I have to work very hard to make my point and making a wall of text for everyone just to be dismised because Half Life Awesomeness is apparently absolute and immune to all criticism. BRB
Reveras said:
I honestly just think that people who make these kinds of threads are stupid. "Why do you like this when I hate it? Why do you hate this when I like it?" It takes a very narrow-minded person to ask such questions and ignore the fact that people just like different things. (Also for each praise HL 2 gets, around 10 of these "tell me why I'm stupid" threads pops up.)
Yeah, stupid OP. How dare he to ASK for opinion for a game that he HASNT played and therefore cant hate but CAN hate people that make stupid comments without any actual fact that may encourage him to buy the game?? If only he made an opinion on the game i could copy pasta this response anyway because i am a hypocrite. YAY!!
matrix3509 said:
DioWallachia said:
Anyway, the point of all this is to know why HL2 is being praised as the better game when HL1 is the same but with less than stellar graphics and should get the praise instead for setting the stardart
Are you being intentionally dense? The original Half-Life DID get praise. It got a veritable SHIT-LOAD of praise. If you want to know why go look up reviews.
Half-Life 2 gets praise over the original because it does everything an ideal sequel should do: That is to say it improved upon the original game in every conceivable way.
2004 was not that long ago, is your memory so short that you can't think back to how games were then? Why the hell are you so needy that you need some one else to give you a reason to like or dislike something. The game is like $9 on Steam. Get it and make up your own damn mind.
$9 for you. But to x4 to x5 the price in my country. I already made a list of games that i was playing around that era and wasnt interested in FPS anymore and that was before even knowing that the COD style of shooters even existed. Anyway, quoting you for later.
Zac Smith said:
Because people never ever ever go on about how amazing FF7 is, or how ocarina of time is the best game ever. Your opinion isn't the be all and end all. I accept that even though I dislike the above mentioned games, doesn't mean people aren't aloud to praise them.
If you don't like something, don't ***** about it, just don't play it, avoid topics about it, there are plenty of others that are about other things
totally heterosexual said:
Im going to stop praising half life 2 (a game i very much like) when everyone else stops praising every game that i dont like.
That includes op by the way. You are never again allowed to say anything bad about a game i dont like.
Stop posting btw
Casual Shinji said:
"Congratulations!!!
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[sub]Seriously, the Escapist should really consider making a badge for this.[/sub]
Dr.Panties said:
Yeah, and how about that "The Beatles" band, eh? What's the fucking deal with that?
And "Led Zeppelin"?
Pfft, bunch of fanboys. None of them can validate or rationalise the constant praise and reverence with which these mediocre, outdated bands are treated.
Therefore, those bands are shit. And I'm right. Because no-one can provide a successful counter-argument to my own opinion.
I'm right. Me. Me, me, me, me, me.
I'm right, and everyone else that disagrees is wrong. Because they can't provide an airtight argument to support their subjective, positive opinions of something that I dislike, or don't understand, or have never even experienced.
I'm right. I'm always right. Meme.
Other 4 people join the club of "I didnt read the OP but i did read the title and i must assume he hates the game that he say that he DIDNT play because of the mongoloids that keep bashing you over the head for thinking that over-hyping something isnt a good idea and cant make more damage that you will like to admit"
Here is your membership price:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1YY54RI5YY
nikki191 said:
i played half life back when it was first released. good solid old school shooter. i played half life 2 about 3 weeks ago for the first time. its an old school game and its frankly the pinacle of the old school shooters and with an inovative weapon like the gravity gun great fun.
you dont like it.. fine. telling others to stop praising it because they like it? um just ignore it
Didnt play it, cant unlike it. Therefore i cant tell someone to stop liking it.
And now the last quote so i can start (good lord i havent even started yet?)
ZeroMachine said:
I gave you precise reasons as to why Half Life 2 was so praised, and you ignored them and argued more. Go fucking figure. Once again this thread is either pointless or troll bait. I'm not even one of these "blind fanboys" you claim exist.
I'm done with this thread. Everyone should be. And they should be a bannable offense at this point.
(Sigh) Lets begin shall we?
Lets give ZeroMachine, jpwoody and daveman247 an applause for actually saying something clear about Half Life rather than being just lazy like the 90% of the comments out of context (If i forget someone i will edit it later, kinda tired of writing.
I didn't put the Requiem: The Avenging Angel example over there for show, that game was released AFTER the success of HL1 and frankly i am not surprised. After all, i said before in my comments that a success like this in the game industry should have changed it to the point that a non stop clones of Half Life should have ensued. I mean why not? they did it for Doom when it was popular so i expected the same for a game critically acclaimed and that sold well to cover the expenses that ALMOST killed Valve to the point of shutting down.
But weirdly enough i cant recall more games like Half Life 1 and later i found out that Requiem was released in April 1999 in contrast to HL1 released in November 1998 so that means it was already in production and has nothing to do with HL1 at all even if it use some elements that HL1 is praised off like if it was the Evil Twin of HL (unless they can make a game that long in less than 6 months)
So i guess that the industry just though "its just another FPS" "Its success its just luck because it was released in winter time where no one has something to do" Etc. HOWEVER after a few years came Half Life 2 and ONCE AGAIN it proved that this series doesn't suck nor have any luck on its success and deserves mention for being a sequel that doesn't suck to a game that doesn't suck either. That its 2 BIG SUCCESSES AFTER ONE ANOTHER and they cant ignore it now. You may think that the clone wave will ensue, right??? .....................apparently no. Well, just recently with Crysis 2 and Resistance 3 but that its more on the plot aspect than anything (Your Milage May Vary).
So what happened??? I know that we normally make fun of the producers for being corrupt and evil (insert Imperial March here) but what could they know that we don't??? I am a firm believer in humans being greedy as fuck so, again, i was expecting the industry to follow Half Life as an example if they smelled the money behind the success but it didn't. So that its the big question here. Producers could have exploited the nostalgia out of the fans with 100% of success if they had just followed the HL formula but no impact was registered on the industry at least not until recent years. As Yathzee said before "I love how innovation now means catching up to Valve"
I cant stress this enough without referring to Citizen Kane again. Critically acclaimed and "Best movie of all time". I see that the effort of making the visuals be just as good as the acting is quite nice along with the Chiaroscuro, and yet it managed to flop in the box office. The reason?? fuck if i know. Maybe it has something to do with Howard Hughes, a guy that accused Orson Welles of making this movie as an attack for his persona, so perhaps he pulled a few strings and convinced people that it sucked??
Another candidate is John Carpenter's The Thing for "Best Horror Movie of All Time" who just made 4 Millons of dollars more than its its production value but was bashed in every way when it came out. Here are the word of the director himself
"I take every failure hard. The one I took the hardest was The Thing. My career would have been different if that had been a big hit...The movie was hated. Even by science-fiction fans. They thought that I had betrayed some kind of trust, and the piling on was insane. Even the original movie?s director, Christian Nyby, was dissing me."
?John Carpenter on the reception of The Thing
It doesn't help that 2 weeks earlier E.T The Extraterrestrial was released and probably the people thought that this is going to be another light hearted adventure with an alien and, you know, dismiss the fact that The Thing was directed by John Carpenter who also made the Halloween movies (first 3). A series that i remind you are from the serial killer genre that has been plaguing the cinemas all up to this day (after all, if a formula works you have to copy it).
Even Blade Runner (another best of all time) was released at the same time as The Thing.
See a pattern here? movie get released, it underperformed , and many years later is lauded as the best thing ever. Logic? ......please? If it was that good then it wouldn't be a failure. But Half Life is a strange case because it manages to win 2 times with the 2 games and yet no one goes to rip the shit out of it. Its right there, just pick the bait.
So the people who don't like the game aren't the only persons that think that the game may not be so great to use it as a cash in. Its simple as that and i want you to think about it because it bugs the fuck out of me.
Maybe the sad true could be that the game is being seen under nostalgia goggles but i fear that its something worse. Think about it with the movies comparation. Are we doing the same thing with the CoD and Halo series and others what the people did in 1941 when Citizen Kane was released recently and didn't like it?? Maybe they ALSO believed that the films from before actually were better. Or how about in 1982 when The Thing came out and Citizen Kane was acclaimed as the Best of all time and the people who saw The Thing from Another World made in 1951 tough that this "remake" was a piece of shit??? Can you see it now why i cant take the "nostalgia goggles" seriously when it doesn't make any sense?
You may also notice that most of the good comments ALSO mention that HL2 is better than current generation shooters (i assume that they refer to CoD or Battlefield) Let me be clear here, using these shooters to compare them with HL2 is cheap. Cheap as using Nazis to have a villain in your game or movie because they are Nazis and Nazis are evil in human form and not just normal people. Another example would be comparing Ravioli with Bologneza and dog turds. Of course that one may prefer the Ravioli over the turds but the point of all this is to compare it to something else that its equally as good. Especially if they the people are going with the "Best game x all time" title with HL2.
I think i finished with all the people quoted here so you may leave or keep reading what i am going to say to this gentleman:
FieryTrainwreck said:
This thread reminds me: I'm working on a bit of a theory. In a nutshell: contradiction is a verifiable and possibly quantifiable part of our human nature. Any idea, no matter how seemingly fool-proof or universally praised, is subject to a minimum amount of dissent. Further, given the absolute inevitability of this dissent and its apparently unimportant or nonexistent basis, we can and probably should fucking ignore the people who are disagreeing a) for disagreement's sake or b) to satisfy some pathological drive to differentiate from their peers in a misguided effort to elevate themselves. Only when the dissent reaches a threshhold whereby the opposing view cannot be considered a slam-dunk consensus should we deign to honor the contradictory view with any sort of serious consideration.
This is wrong.
Can you tell why? think for a minute
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Done? if the answer to this comment is "NO SHIT SHERLOCK" then you are mostly in the right path but for the wrong reason.
You see, that comment over there is wrong because the person reminds us that there are no absolutes in the universe and having another opinion on something that is loudly acclaimed as good and incapable of error is legitimately.
And that is the problem. Why i have to be reminded of something that i already know?? But wait, apparently the rest of the people don't know about it................ How?
No really. How is that you don't know about this?? It should be pretty obvious at this point in your life that there are no absolutes. You think you know the answers of what is right and wrong?? Well, guess what? The politicians that accused the game Night Trap of being a violent murder simulator were pretty fucking confident on the "material" they had in hands to deliver their speeches to the masses and fully believed the bullshit written there. Take a guess of what the game was about??? It was about BEING A COP PROTECTING A BUNCH OF TEENAGE GIRLS FROM MURDERERS it is being told on the very FIRST 5 MUNUTES OF THE GAME!!!! FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!
So lets see, a bunch of powerful people cant even make the effort researching shit that wont even take much time of their lives but the fact that they fully believed this ignorant idea is just baffling. You may think that because it was the 90's and the Internet wasnt around could have make research kite difficult but, again, just 5 fucking minutes man. Just 5 minutes right in that seat over there, come on, take a seat and play.
So how about this FieryTrainwreck; Since you are into dept thought (i hope) why not take your time to think about how is it possible to shape the minds of the masses into believing bullshit that can be proven wrong in less than anything?? Especially in the Age of Information where there is no fucking excuse unlike the Night Trap example. How much is the laziness a factor into this??? Why people still believe that comics/cartoons/games are for children when even The Simpsons have proven that a carton can be for adults?? How this "Arbitrary Skepticism" is still alive after all this years???? Why people think that Aquaman is still the same noob that was in a cartoon made in the 60's when there are almost 50 years of characterization??? JUST WHY???
Thank you.