Gonna make this quickly because i already received a warning, apparently mentioning old movies in a gaming forum to give a perspective of how the people reach isnt good in the eyes of the Admins. Well, no wonder why there are many topics of HL2, they get closed before anyone realizes that they should be praising the game by explaining the mechanics and explore the cultural impact around it.
As always, the wall of text is for EVERYONE quoted or not but i guess by the ammount of people that keep asking the same things i guess they never read after the first 2 pages, sadly.
SpAc3man said:
This is fucking hilarious. From what I can see some people forgot (or never knew) what games were like back in the day so some mechanics seem old and crap to them. Some people are impatient when it comes to cut-scenes so they get irritated when they cant skip the interactive cut-scenes of a game reliant on the underlying story that you just about have to tell yourself.
I played HL1 rather late. 2008 from memory. HL2 was 2009. I had grown up on old games such as Doom so I had grown up on older mechanics. I was engrossed in the HL1 story when I played it. I like immersion. I have absolutely terrible patience for many great games like Mass Effect and many of the Final Fantasy games. I don't doubt they are great works but when I am not immersed I am just not interested. It would make sense to me that some people don't like the immersion depth that games like Half-Life require.
It's just a shame they cant see past their own limitations to realize what some games accomplish.
That is one of the thing i like of living where i am. My people is immune to hype unless encountered in forum, but fortunately nobody know to read or speak English for that matter so is aaaaaaaaalright. Outdated games flow like butter here. But wait, what you mean people forgot?? I played Legacy of Kain series, you cant get more UNSKIPABLE CUTSCENES than that series (Amy Henning took the film industry potencial on games too seriously)
Shraggler said:
Like I said, you sort of had to be there.
That is a nice thing to know that the reviews fail to mention. Giving a grand scale analizis is sort of the point here since the post already evolved from know about the game to know why the fans are taking it too far. So i suppose that the hype cannot be undertand by outsiders of America or people who didnt want anything to do with Internet forums in that time(maybe because they were playing online games already)
Smeggs said:
You seriously cannot tell me you didn't realize I was trolling when I made the blatantly obvious false claim that Half-Life was the first game with SMG's and RPG's. It wasn't even trolling, it was far too obvious to be called that. I thought the various incorrect uses of the word "like" and "bro" would have tipped you off to that.
I was kidding, dude. You began a thread specifically to complain about people praising a game. How could I not do that?
See the happy face at the end of that comment?
I was in the joke too
Besides i already told in the OP that i didnt play the game yet so i couldn't know
matrix3509 said:
DioWallachia said:
You realize you could have just gone and looked up a review of the game from 2004 to find out why people liked it for a fraction of the effort it took to make this retarded thread right? Also, there are forum threads from 2004 that you can read from normal people to find out why people liked it. Its literally takes 2 seconds to Google search it. Or is it 2 seconds for me, and 4x to 5x that in your country?
You just realize that you just made my point by saying "you can read from normal people to find out why people liked it" Why is the "normal people" there?? Are you actually suggesting back then people were not so smug about HL2?? Why this is happening?? the poor HL2 shouldn't be subjected to being defended by people who cant actually think what they are saying.
I already deduced that this game gets its ego inflated by the amount of FPS of modern day that fail to deliver but if we keep bashing the idea that any future FPS will be worse every time then we will end up undermining the efforts of the people who worked on those games and will end up lamenting it in later years. That is why the movies examples are there, every time something new gets released everyone hates it and flops at the box office (John Carpenter's The Thing almost didnt make it) and older films like The Thing Of Another World and Citizen Kane get praised instead even if they ALSO flopped at the box office probably because people that was there thought that the new movie CK was nothing compared to a bunch of other older films and the cycle keeps going and going.
Oh and thx for mentioning my poor country because apparently living in yours is such a awesome place. By the way, how is PIPA and SOPA doing? Wait, is that the Party Van i hear outside your window?
Somonah said:
You type too much. You're like my mum. She will take 20 minutes to explain something that could be said in 1 sentence.
It happens when you want to answer the same question of EVERYONE in a single post, my dear.
ServebotFrank said:
In fact the OP says he hasn't even played this game. Than what's the point of this thread? Is this guy some kind of hipster who wants to show how much he hates popular things?
daveman247 said:
/ just looked up hype aversion.
I find it a very confusing and weird concept. "Lots of people like this, and so i must not like it."
Odd.
Hype Aversion its like this:
Lots of people recommend x thing; I said:
"Alright it seems like a good idea, i will see it soon";
Then, more people keep telling me to see it and iI said:
"Fine, i will" with a smile on my face but with an increasing concern"
Even MORE people keep bashing me over with this and finally the point is reached and:
"People, i am starting to think you are just acting like that because either you refuse to see something else or the X in question is so manipulative that keep the people from enjoying anything else even the things that they liked before. The last time it happened was after seeing Avatar and that movie tried to pull my string by deliberately making the bad guys just evil for the sake of being a narrow minded evil (and to keep the script cheap) and the guy guys are a bunch of Mary Sue's where everything is colorful and perfect. Christ, i heard that people even committed suicide after seeing this movie because they wanted to be like the Navi. So you know what? I think i should avoid it if the things are played out like this"
Everyone stares at me for 4 seconds.................and they raise the torches and the pitchforks
NewClassic said:
I've always harbored indifference with the Half-Life series. One of my first experiences PC gaming on the scale I do now (and my introduction to Steam, come to think of it) was through Half-Life 2. I played through it, enjoyed it, and moved on to other games. Several hundred titles later, I'm finding myself less interested in the Half-Life series. I think that speaks to just how subjective the nature of this game can be.
I guess that THAT is my problem, having played lots of game of the so called "Golden Era of Gaming" it feels like i can no longer point out what is the best of the best.
I could praise the innovation behind HL1 and HL2 and even praise the ambitions of the developers for trying something that almost killed their company but i feel disconected from the people that played it to the point that i wonder if they even played other things to begin with. I dont know if you can actually survive my walls of text that i make for everyone but you should stick around
Crazie_Guy said:
So OP, what is your decision?
I need you to hold on here cause i will explain it to you on the next quote.
Dr.Panties said:
DioWallachia, what's the matter, little fella? I read your first post, and summarised it.
You believe that popular opinion requires justification. You also fail at contextual analysis and criticism. You fail in every level on that regard, and harbor a poor understanding of objectivity versus subjectivity. Therefore, your perspective is reduced to a mere rant. Whom are you trying to convince to the contrary?
And why?
The focus of your abysmal critique doesn't even matter- it could be HalfLife 2, or Justin fucking Bieber. Abject pointlessness. Pray, continue!
Of course i have a abysmal critique because i dont even know that word. Do you think that a professional will take the time to analysis the hype around the game when starving children are dying somewhere and the fact that no one is doing something IS a more valid reason to do an analysis? I am just a guy that is in the middle of a crossfire that should be happening in the first place if people notice that just staying calm and not jump like a monkey while holding these game as the monolith from Space Odyssey is the best way to win in the long run.
Also nice job of NOT mentioning ANY of the post of the gentleman here nor the walls of text that i made for everyone and that everyone ignore and keep asking the same questions. I mean, a wall of text? 5 minutes. The OP?? Uff, that took forever to make.
You fail to notice that the post evolved to the point that we are now under other questions that need answers (and once again i have to adress them because nobody reads the bloody comments):
1) Why calling something as "The Best Game of all time" if we know that doing so will undermine the efforts of future games? Games that will be forgotten to later rediscovered and be marked as a lost gem and the hyped beyond repair to make sure that people play it instead of the new new games that may be good on their own or perhaps even superior to the old game. And cycle goes on and on doing more damage than it should.
2)Why Half Life 2 didn't make an impact on the gaming industry after its success?? As i said earlier, producers follow formulas that works without any shame and use the less resources as possible to make the same game BUT a bit more. That is why after Doom was popular, a wave of suspiciously similar games came with it, and HL1 was one of them that made its own thing by merging gameplay and story together and was a success.....that no one followed. Then came out 2004 and HL2 was released to compete against, and i quote @Shraggler and @daveman247:
Painkiller / BOOH
Unreal Tournament 2004
Far Cry
Thief: Deadly Shadows
Doom 3
Halo 2
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Wait what? Doom 3?? The FPS that is taking the lead all this years. Man i feel that HL2 is going to have problems. But wait, what is this?? HL2 won over all those games. A new lead for the FPS genre that show us how is it done and now the producers will FINALLY get the idea of how gameplay and story is done. Not because is well done but because it was well done and SUCCESSFUL in the money department, the only word the producers care. If Doom makes money, make more games like Doom. If God of War makes money, make more games like God of War.
......
Except that nothing happened. Apparently no one took notes on it even if it was a commercial success. So what do the producer know that the masses aren't able to see?? I mean, the money making formula is right there, right? Maybe it was just hype and nothing else, maybe they have a better database to know who made more money than who. I dont know. Apparently recent games are taking the HL formula but why just now?? Why not when it was innovative?? To cash in nostalgia since there has been a HL game in recent years perhaps??
Now comes the mandatory plot twist:
I played recently and i liked its efforts but now i feel ashamed of liking it because i cant tell some how is the game without being dismissed as a fanboy.
In other words, i am just when i started the OP. In a crossfire that is doing more harm than it should and its specially egregious since this is supposed to be the Age of Information and should be easy at this point to gather the basics of:
Mindless praising without addressing the cons and pros will mark you as a fanboy and will damage the image of your X in the long run.
I know what you are going to say: "WELL FUCKING DUUUUUUH, its the Internet and you cant help it" But once again i request you to look the part that saids "Age of Information" and tell me why is it possible that the idea of "You cant change that because it is always like that" to even exist. And once again i shall use the Night Trap example, just right in the very start of the game you see that you are supposed to SAVE people rather than kill and yet the politicians managed to make an entire camping around violent video games as murder simulators. How self absorbed has to be the Politician and the guy who made the research for him and the speech for him to NOT notice something this obvious??
And this goes beyond to things like "Comics are for children", "Aquaman still sucks even if that was a cartoon from the 60's and there has been 50 years of characterization" or the topical one of "Digital distribution is destroying America and its the foreing thieves fault"
How lazy can the people be in this day an age to STILL believe thing like it??
I think i finished here. Now i must endure ANOTHER wave of comments that have nothing to do with what i just said and has been said already. Maybe get banned too for asking too munch.
