Enslaved: Female fantasy?

[Grahav]

In "Enslaved: Journey to The West" we have Trip put a controlling helmet on Monkey so that he helps her to come back to her place.

Although it is quite an assholish thing to do, she has quite an answer for why: survival. The desire to live beats most arguments.

But my question is: Would people be okay if it was a guy enslaving a girl for the same reasons?
Or would Fox News be bitching about it?

Also, in recent discussions about the reasons for the success of Twilight one of them was: "One common female fantasy is having a strong man being emotionally fragile and thus dependant of the woman". We see the creatures in Twilight doing that and Monkey is forced to use his strengt to protect Trip.

So does anyone think that this game plays a female fantasy?

Please use spoiler tags because I haven't played yet.

 

[Appleshampoo]

Not got it yet, but will do soon.

However, I agree that Fox news would have a field day if you had to enslave a woman to help you. 'GAME PROMOTES FEMALE SEX SLAVES' or some shit like that for the head line.

But I just think it's a good little idea, a survival mechanic that isn't really going to be popular with anyone.

 

[Jack and Calumon]

Well, if the man was the brutish thug I played in the demo then it would be pretty bad looking if the woman was the same one I saw in the demo too. But if the Woman was say... Rubi from WET and the guy was... Otacon from MGS then it'd be totally fine. It all depends on how you characterise your... characters. Duke Nukem is a badass not because he has saved the Earth from evil aliens single handedly. Quite a few games have done that but it's Duke's personality that sets him apart.

Calumon: Female fantasy? Is that like Jack's with the fruit and the PS3?

 

[Dr. Paine]

No, it's just as wrong whether it's a man or a woman doing the enslaving.

 

[Keava]

Or...it could be male fantasy to be dominated. Keep in mid the whole idea is based on a traditional Chinese story, most of anime fans probably even know it quite well since early Dragon Ball was also based on that theme.

Generally, last research number's i could find are from 1995 and they shown that out of heterosexual people into BDSM about 70% of males was more into dominant role, while 90% of females preferred submissive role.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

In "Enslaved: Journey to The West" we have Trip put a controlling helmet on Monkey so that he helps her to come back to her place.

Although it is quite an assholish thing to do, she has quite an answer for why: survival. The desire to live beats most arguments.

But my question is: Would people be okay if it was a guy enslaving a girl for the same reasons?
Or would Fox News be bitching about it?

Also, in recent discussions about the reasons for the success of Twilight one of them was: "One common female fantasy is having a strong man being emotionally fragile and thus dependant of the woman". We see the creatures in Twilight doing that and Monkey is forced to use his strengt to protect Trip.

So does anyone think that this game plays a female fantasy?

Please use spoiler tags because I haven't played yet.

One problem: You don't really see her use the helmet much. Infact, about 3 minutes into the game, Monkey says "If you wanna live, you do as I say" and then Monkey gives the orders to Trip in combat and all that. Sure, she has the device capable of inflicting intense pain, but he gives the commands. At one point she even says "I'm not commanding you, I'm asking you".

Note: I've not beaten the game yet, I've not come close, so if anything happens to reverse this, then please do not use it as a rebuttal against this claim.

 

[Serenegoose]

It plays a fantasy for sure. Trying to define that fantasy as male or female is pointless at best, because it overly generalises.

 

[JokerCrowe]

I agree that if it were the other way around people would probably freak out. But I that's why they made it the way they did. But if (hypothetically) it was a woman being enslaved for the same reason, wouldn't that ,mean that the guy would be unable to protect himself, while the woman would be able to do so? I don't think that would go down so well with the male population either.

I have to disagree on the second point though, Bella hasn't made Jacob and Edward her "bodyguards" by putting a "collar" on them. Just the mere act of doing that shows that Trip is the "domineering" one. She took a man as a slave. Bella on the other hand is essentially a slave to Edward, not the other way around.

EDIT: just this little point that Trip took Monkey as a slave shows that Enslaved has a lot deeper and more complex issues than Twilight. Which I like. Enslaved has complex and interesting characters (and I got that just from the trailer and demo) while Twilight... well... I think you all know how to end that sentence.

 

[vallorn]

Calumon: Female fantasy? Is that like Jack's with the fruit and the PS3?

Fruit? PS3?... tell me more...

 

[chinangel]

i have some very vocal opinions about slavery, one way or another. Dependancy is one thing, but slavery is not.

I like my guys sensitive, and I myself tend to become dependant on others, but I want someone capable of making their own choices, not a slave.

 

[Badger Kyre]

In "Enslaved: Journey to The West" we have Trip put a controlling helmet on Monkey so that he helps her to come back to her place.

Although it is quite an assholish thing to do, she has quite an answer for why: survival. The desire to live beats most arguments.

But my question is: Would people be okay if it was a guy enslaving a girl for the same reasons?
Or would Fox News be bitching about it?

Also, in recent discussions about the reasons for the success of Twilight one of them was: "One common female fantasy is having a strong man being emotionally fragile and thus dependant of the woman". We see the creatures in Twilight doing that and Monkey is forced to use his strengt to protect Trip.

So does anyone think that this game plays a female fantasy?

Please use spoiler tags because I haven't played yet.

female sexual fantasy?
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[Grahav]

I agree that if it were the other way around people would probably freak out. But I that's why they made it the way they did. But if (hypothetically) it was a woman being enslaved for the same reason, wouldn't that ,mean that the guy would be unable to protect himself, while the woman would be able to do so? I don't think that would go down so well with the male population either.

I have to disagree on the second point though, Bella hasn't made Jacob and Edward her "bodyguards" by putting a "collar" on them. Just the mere act of doing that shows that Trip is the "domineering" one. She took a man as a slave. Bella on the other hand is essentially a slave to Edward, not the other way around.

Yeah, but they go out of their way to love and protect her. In the same a guard dog would protect its mistress/master.

 

[Korten12]

Calumon: Female fantasy? Is that like Jack's with the fruit and the PS3?

Fruit? PS3?... tell me more...

I am guessing you probably don't want to know more. XD

 

[vallorn]

Calumon: Female fantasy? Is that like Jack's with the fruit and the PS3?

Fruit? PS3?... tell me more...

I am guessing you probably don't want to know more. XD

im of the:
THATS HORRIBLE VILE AND DISGUSTING!... show me more!
school of thought

 

[quiet_samurai]

It's not a male/female thing, it's a personal thing. Some women & men like to be the submissive one, or they just choose to be automatically without really thinknig about it. However I do believe that there is an evolutionary trait in humans where the female will, majority of time, defer to the male in certain circumastances.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

Or...it could be male fantasy to be dominated. Keep in mid the whole idea is based on a traditional Chinese story, most of anime fans probably even know it quite well since early Dragon Ball was also based on that theme.

Generally, last research number's i could find are from 1995 and they shown that out of heterosexual people into BDSM about 70% of males was more into dominant role, while 90% of females preferred submissive role.

THis is true as well. As part of the BDSM community though, I can say the number might have changed to a bit more of a 50/50 split, or atleast quite close to it.

The issue with the "Command" that the male is put under would be the method of obeidiance: pain. At the vey beginning, she says "Command: Step back" and he is immediately hitwith a flash of pain and stumbles back. I don't see why you would beat the submissive before you commanded them. You give an order, if it's not followed, you punish. Sure you have sadists, but I can't see "Mainstream Female Fantasies of control" being placed in such a... Sadistic and niche manner.

I think the OP is looking a tad too far into this

 

[Jack and Calumon]

Calumon: Female fantasy? Is that like Jack's with the fruit and the PS3?

Fruit? PS3?... tell me more...

I am guessing you probably don't want to know more. XD

im of the:
THATS HORRIBLE VILE AND DISGUSTING!... show me more!
school of thought

Are you insinuating I have sex with fruit? That would be weirder than how the word "Weird" pointlessly breaks the "I before E" rule. There is no C or G in it.

Calumon: I think there's some meat in it as well isn't there.

 

[Susan Arendt]

I think one thing that folks are overlooking is that Trip would've enslaved a woman, too, if she thought that woman could help get her home. Or a mech. Or a great big bear. Monkey is, quite literally, her only option. She is 300 miles from home, alone, terrified and almost entirely defenseless. More to the point, she knows that what she's doing is horribly unfair. When Monkey says "I guess I don't have a choice," she replies, "Neither of us do."

 

[JokerCrowe]

I agree that if it were the other way around people would probably freak out. But I that's why they made it the way they did. But if (hypothetically) it was a woman being enslaved for the same reason, wouldn't that ,mean that the guy would be unable to protect himself, while the woman would be able to do so? I don't think that would go down so well with the male population either.

I have to disagree on the second point though, Bella hasn't made Jacob and Edward her "bodyguards" by putting a "collar" on them. Just the mere act of doing that shows that Trip is the "domineering" one. She took a man as a slave. Bella on the other hand is essentially a slave to Edward, not the other way around.

Yeah, but they go out of their way to love and protect her. In the same a guard dog would protect its mistress/master.

My point was that Bella isn't really controlling them. Plus, Bella would do the same thing for Edward. Monkey doesn't do these things because he loves Trip.
But you make a valid point.

 

[Delock]

It's less of the female fantasy sort of thing, and more of a double standard, sort of like Girl Punchs Guy = Comedy! while Guy Punches Girl = What an asshole!

As for the game itself, I see it as more like this: Guy is perfectly capable, and probably better able, to safely survive and/or escape on his own. Girl is not, due to not having the same skills as him. In order to firmly cement a relationship in which both of them get out alive, she does something she herself probably didn't want to do, but had to. After all, it's clear the slavers are still hunting around, and not only would having a distraction help the guy, but he wouldn't be slowed down if he was on his own, meaning leaving her behind would have been perfectly reasonable in his shoes.

Just from what I've seen, it doesn't look that bad as it isn't abused that much. Compare to the clearly malicious sorts of slave collars that have come up in other games (like say, Fable 2) where upon the owner immediatly decides to abuse the privalege. This seems more like the standard "You help me, I help you after this is over" sort of thing.

Also, you can look at it in a similar vein as another giant escort quest game: Ico. The collar explains why you will die if you don't protect her, which gets the player to care about her in a gameplay sense. This in turn is used to help the inevitable romance feel a lot more sincere, as the relationship begins with you caring a lot about the escortee.

If this were a fantasy, it would actually be more of a male based one, as it focuses on protecting and defending a girl rather than her dominating and controlling everything.