Enslaved: Female fantasy?

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rockyoumonkeys

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Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.
 

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I think one thing that folks are overlooking is that Trip would've enslaved a woman, too, if she thought that woman could help get her home. Or a mech. Or a great big bear. Monkey is, quite literally, her only option. She is 300 miles from home, alone, terrified and almost entirely defenseless. More to the point, she knows that what she's doing is horribly unfair. When Monkey says "I guess I don't have a choice," she replies, "Neither of us do."
Well, I mentioned that Trip's excellent answer was "survival".

I am going to play it, but I am worried that the plot degenerates in sugary romance or that Monkey ends liking to be Trip's pet. Really dangerous paths here.
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Grahav said:
In "Enslaved: Journey to The West" we have Trip put a controlling helmet on Monkey so that he helps her to come back to her place.

Although it is quite an assholish thing to do, she has quite an answer for why: survival. The desire to live beats most arguments.

But my question is: Would people be okay if it was a guy enslaving a girl for the same reasons?
Or would Fox News be bitching about it?

Also, in recent discussions about the reasons for the success of Twilight one of them was: "One common female fantasy is having a strong man being emotionally fragile and thus dependant of the woman". We see the creatures in Twilight doing that and Monkey is forced to use his strengt to protect Trip.

So does anyone think that this game plays a female fantasy?

Please use spoiler tags because I haven't played yet.
One problem: You don't really see her use the helmet much. Infact, about 3 minutes into the game, Monkey says "If you wanna live, you do as I say" and then Monkey gives the orders to Trip in combat and all that. Sure, she has the device capable of inflicting intense pain, but he gives the commands. At one point she even says "I'm not commanding you, I'm asking you".

but monkey has to help her and think of the best ways to help her because if she dies he dies as well so he is not really given a choice in the matter

Note: I've not beaten the game yet, I've not come close, so if anything happens to reverse this, then please do not use it as a rebuttal against this claim.
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.

Aaaaaaand there we have it, folks.
 

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Kenko said:
The fucking game is called "Enslaved"?
The machines are called slavers and enslave humans. The whole fight you go through is to keep from getting captured.
 

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mchoueiri said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Grahav said:
In "Enslaved: Journey to The West" we have Trip put a controlling helmet on Monkey so that he helps her to come back to her place.

Although it is quite an assholish thing to do, she has quite an answer for why: survival. The desire to live beats most arguments.

But my question is: Would people be okay if it was a guy enslaving a girl for the same reasons?
Or would Fox News be bitching about it?

Also, in recent discussions about the reasons for the success of Twilight one of them was: "One common female fantasy is having a strong man being emotionally fragile and thus dependant of the woman". We see the creatures in Twilight doing that and Monkey is forced to use his strengt to protect Trip.

So does anyone think that this game plays a female fantasy?

Please use spoiler tags because I haven't played yet.
One problem: You don't really see her use the helmet much. Infact, about 3 minutes into the game, Monkey says "If you wanna live, you do as I say" and then Monkey gives the orders to Trip in combat and all that. Sure, she has the device capable of inflicting intense pain, but he gives the commands. At one point she even says "I'm not commanding you, I'm asking you".

but monkey has to help her and think of the best ways to help her because if she dies he dies as well so he is not really given a choice in the matter

Note: I've not beaten the game yet, I've not come close, so if anything happens to reverse this, then please do not use it as a rebuttal against this claim.
No post mate. Did you mean to post something? you can edit it in (not meant with malice, but to inform)
 

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Well, if the man was the brutish thug I played in the demo then it would be pretty bad looking if the woman was the same one I saw in the demo too. But if the Woman was say... Rubi from WET and the guy was... Otacon from MGS then it'd be totally fine. It all depends on how you characterise your... characters. Duke Nukem is a badass not because he has saved the Earth from evil aliens single handedly. Quite a few games have done that but it's Duke's personality that sets him apart.

Calumon: Female fantasy? Is that like Jack's with the fruit and the PS3?
Wait a fruit and a PS3?!?

My mind cannot begin to wrap around that O__O
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Kenko said:
The fucking game is called "Enslaved"?
The machines are called slavers and enslave humans. The whole fight you go through is to keep from getting captured.
I know, but its called Enslaved, and you are Enslaved whilst being hunted by Slavers. I doubt it matters who enslaves who. This thread is silly. Why are people so surprised that your character is Enlsaved when the game has that very name?
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.
In short.

That dude is WHIPPED!!
 

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Badger Kyre said:
Grahav said:
here's your go-to:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8vf0sCEdnssC&printsec=frontcover&dq=my+secret+garden&source=bl&ots=GxfEpeRain&sig=2jH_J2EQqpGz1NnuuHzY2Mk3XzY&hl=en&ei=MT2vTPeNDsOblgfD-sz3BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
Thanks for the tip.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
I think one thing that folks are overlooking is that Trip would've enslaved a woman, too, if she thought that woman could help get her home. Or a mech. Or a great big bear. Monkey is, quite literally, her only option. She is 300 miles from home, alone, terrified and almost entirely defenseless. More to the point, she knows that what she's doing is horribly unfair. When Monkey says "I guess I don't have a choice," she replies, "Neither of us do."
This.

And its really not a female sex fantasy. Have you taken a look at how huge his biceps are?
I would not feel comfortable trying to work with a strange man who could do terrible things to me without breaking a sweat. If anything, it levels the playing field.
Really, OP, if you think this is an expression of secret desire, you've got it all wrong. The persisting fantasies of the ideal man is that he is so infatuated with you, he would do anything for you without a moment's hesitation. Sweeps you off your feet. Having to enslave them would feel pathetic. :(


I'm not certain of the whole story of Enslaved, but as said before, he's blatantly based on Sun Wukong.

OK, so he's based on the MODERN interpretation of the Monkey King. But still, he has a stick.
In the original legend, Monkey became the king of monkeys by proving his bravery, then eventually went, "Huh, I don't want to die." So he traveled the world, learned the ways of humans and all sorts of magic and tricks. He eventually went to Heaven (which is more a realm for the divine beings by this ideology, rather than an afterlife) and proceeded to run amok and try to cause complete anarchy. He was then pwn't by the Jade Emperor and stuck in a rock as punishment.
Then the Monkey King hears of some important pilgrimage and is all like, "I'll help 'em if you get me outta this rock!" and the divine peeps are all like, "K." Some bodhisattva (Can't remember which) is all like, "Its dangerous to go alone, take this!" and gives the pilgrim a magic circlet. The monk then tricks the Monkey king into putting it on, and the pilgrim uses it to make sure he holds his end of the bargain.
I'm a bit disappointed Enslaved's Monkey isn't wearing stripes; in the version I read, he killed a tiger to protect the monk and made his outfit out of it before his travels.

In general, though, you need three things to have a goku-themed character: 1. a stick (Preferably red). 2. a connection to monkies. 3. Some sort of vice that makes them vulnerable. Prefrably a circlet or something like that, but the point is that this super-powerful fighter can be brought to his knees by even the weakest of people.

rockyoumonkeys said:
Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.
Please, for the love of GOD, add a "Joking" comment to this post. I'm not in a tiff over this, but these kinds of comments encourage the stupidity of people who don't understand this kind of humor.
 

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I thought it was kinds an ironic thing, to escape slavers she must be what she fears. More what would you do to survive sort of thing. And it could be argued sexist the other way "oh a woman needs a man to survive". Personally I didn't think sexism at all, I just thought "escort mission."

Also "female fantasy" which ones? Strangely enough this isn't the wife of bath's tale when the question of "what women want" can be answered in one easy go. This in itself is a little sexist to assume that all women can be generalised to "wishing to dominated men" the large number of women I know what equality more then anything. Also some men like to be dominated (perhaps more in a sexual sense, each to their own) as do some women.
 

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Kenko said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Kenko said:
The fucking game is called "Enslaved"?
The machines are called slavers and enslave humans. The whole fight you go through is to keep from getting captured.
I know, but its called Enslaved, and you are Enslaved whilst being hunted by Slavers. I doubt it matters who enslaves who. This thread is silly. Why are people so surprised that your character is Enlsaved when the game has that very name?
Can't say I was shocked. I really wasn't. It's the metaphor that was behind the enslavement, and whether it was seen as a female fantasy that is being looked into.

Madara XIII said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.
In short.

That dude is WHIPPED!!
I have to disagree, as I said above, almost right into them meeting, he tells her "If you're going to survive, you listen to ME" and she does. She never commands him up to where I've played (about half way through)
 

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Grahav said:
Thanks for the tip.
Hey; jokes aside - that was a pretty large research project there, and they found they almost always fall into several categories. It wasn't strictly scientific - was done by an woman's magazine ( demographic skew ), but it was anonymous, and it's still referred to ( almost like the old Kinsey report ).
It's certainly worth reading if you want a peek into such mysteries.


Monkeyman8 said:
Keava said:
Or...it could be male fantasy to be dominated. Keep in mid the whole idea is based on a traditional Chinese story, most of anime fans probably even know it quite well since early Dragon Ball was also based on that theme.

Generally, last research number's i could find are from 1995 and they shown that out of heterosexual people into BDSM about 70% of males was more into dominant role, while 90% of females preferred submissive role.
well that fucks my chances for finding a dom girl :(
Which Chinese story though? I've never heard of it
I haven't done my research on this, but hearsay from old friends ended up as professional dom's, apparently there's quite a market; and they seem to think that's not something their customers are getting... (or is it, will ask for ) under other circumstances.

Perhaps equally interesting, two of them are my ex's, and I never would have known they ahd any Dom in them - I think it's roleplay.

I tend to date alpha's, and find even they don't - usually - like a boy they can dominate.
The grain of truth in the "Red Sonja" mythos I suppose.
 

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Erana said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.
Please, for the love of GOD, add a "Joking" comment to this post. I'm not in a tiff over this, but these kinds of comments encourage the stupidity of people who don't understand this kind of humor.
But that's the whole point!

Edit: Joking, but totally not joking.
 

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I can see it being a minor controversy. Really, when FOX news talks about how games are bad it seems like a big deal to us, but most people really don't care. I live in the land of FOX News devotees and never hear anyone complaining about video games.
 

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Grahav said:
In "Enslaved: Journey to The West" we have Trip put a controlling helmet on Monkey so that he helps her to come back to her place.

Although it is quite an assholish thing to do, she has quite an answer for why: survival. The desire to live beats most arguments.

But my question is: Would people be okay if it was a guy enslaving a girl for the same reasons?
Or would Fox News be bitching about it?

Also, in recent discussions about the reasons for the success of Twilight one of them was: "One common female fantasy is having a strong man being emotionally fragile and thus dependant of the woman". We see the creatures in Twilight doing that and Monkey is forced to use his strengt to protect Trip.

So does anyone think that this game plays a female fantasy?

Please use spoiler tags because I haven't played yet.
Female fantasy? Well...considering how good the story is...maybe, but this game is playing a completely different game compared to twilight. The men in that role are fighting for the attention of not just any female, but a pathetic one. The woman isn't like wonder woman, or Samus or even princess peach. If princess peach had a human servant who hid and run around panicking when danger approached that is as close to who Bell Swan is. No strong personality or charisma....heck this makes just as much sense as the MANY anime that have a piece of **** male protagonist who some how gets the attention of the popular/beautiful girls of the school, workplace, etc.
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Erana said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Enslaved is pretty much a metaphor for a typical relationship. I think you know what that headband represents.

Either way, the woman makes the rules.
Please, for the love of GOD, add a "Joking" comment to this post. I'm not in a tiff over this, but these kinds of comments encourage the stupidity of people who don't understand this kind of humor.
But that's the whole point!

Edit: Joking, but totally not joking.
I was put on probation the last time I joked but not totally joked. I lawled at your first post.

The circlet in Journey to the West that would shrink if the Monkey King disobeyed, is interpreted by scholars as both a crown and shackle. It is the Yin and Yang of the Monkey King's nature, where though he is serving the monk and under the mercy of the Gods, he is really the group's leader and still manages to commit acts of mischief and courage.