entitled gamers? a good example going on right now

[sonofliber]

Well if you dont know riot (of lol fame) is bringing back some limited edition skins for new players to buy, this has cause a major shit storm from previous owners (or at least a vocal minority) that doesnt want their LE skins in the hands of filthy noobs.

the thing is: riot is giving them a summoner icon a special frame (to symbolice they owned the skin before) and the rp they use to buy those champs back, so why are they complaining? most of the arguments i have read basically waters down to:
"I dont want other people to have my skin, i got lucky and had it first, they have no right to have it now",
but why? why do you care if another person has your skin? skins are digital value, they have no collectors value, nor bragging value (no one cares about your skin, only of how you play), so why?. I have a few LE skins and im more than happy that they bring them back, i will be able to see more haunting nocts (i love that skin) or def. not blizcrank, if you like the skin woudnt you want more people to have so they can share your joy?

TL/DR: i think the people complaining are mostly kids or overprotected teenagers-early adults, who havent have life hardship yet, and whine of this little insignificant thing, in a highly selfish way, or they are just trolling

what do you guys think

ps: for more information please refer to the general discution forum of lol (and see why gamers will not be taken seriously for a long time

 

[Andy Shandy]

So these skins do nothing, right? Purely cosmetic items?

If so, then yes they are being whiny manchildren.

 

[5ilver]

Different people value things differently (example: all trade evar), you're saying they're "entitled" because you don't view the skins the same way they do.

I think what it all boils down to is: Riot promised these skins would be a one-time offer and they didn't deliver. That's something I would be pissed off about.

For the record, I don't care about the skins at all; just the treatment of the player-base.

 

[tippy2k2]

I wouldn't care...

HOWEVER, I can see why people would complain and I don't feel like they're being entitled at all.

If I spent money on something that's supposed to be limited, I'd be unhappy if they pushed out more editions of what's SUPPOSED to be a rare item.

EDIT: I'm hearing from this thread that they did cost money but they are being refunded. Personally, I'd still be miffed (if this was something I cared about). I wouldn't complain; I just would never buy any skins from Riot ever again since I have no clue if they'll decide that your "limited" skin should no longer be limited anymore. Why would I ever pay for something like that if they will just reverse it because a bunch of new players want the skins?

 

[Delerien]

It's a really nice feeling to have something truly special, even if it's just an unobtainable virtual item/title/skin. I can understand that people are upset and I don't really think it's an incredible smart move from Riot. At least they're getting somewhat reimbursed.
All in all it's not something I'd get up in arms over but it leaves a somewhat bitter taste.

 

[Raziel]

I agree, the issue is the company releasing something thats supposed to be LIMITED and then breaking that promise. It like any other collectible, take something thats rare and release and identical product for everyone to have ruins its value. What if valve announced you could now get every hat ever existed in a bundle for $1. Would their players have a right to complain?

 

[Vegosiux]

I agree, the issue is the company releasing something thats supposed to be LIMITED and then breaking that promise.

I'm pretty sure there was no "promise" nor was the promotion from back then legally binding for the future. What they do with those skins is entirely the prerogative of Riot, seeing as they're the owners of those skins, it's their intellectual property, and they can do with it as they see fit. It's funny how we get up in arms about DRM, but whenever we have a chance to restrict (or request to be restricted) something to others, we'll take it.

I'm not going to toss the E-word around (and I'm really annoyed that it has been used), but I do believe those folks are making too much fuss about it.

What if valve announced you could now get every hat ever existed in a bundle for $1. Would their players have a right to complain?

People always have a right to complain (yes, including in this particular case), the right they do not always have is to complain and be taken seriously about it.

If I spent money on something that's supposed to be limited, I'd be unhappy if they pushed out more editions of what's SUPPOSED to be a rare item.

That's the problem with digital content though, isn't it? Physical items are limited because only a given number of them exists at a time. With digital content, no such limit is in place. Sure, access may be restricted for a time, but information wants to be free.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

eh, depends on how much they paid (or didn't) when it was on a "limited" time offer, as long as there isn't a huge value change i don't see that big of a deal about it, it's something that is purely digital, doesn't have much in the way of resell value far in the future (even then that doesn't affect collectors editions from that time that much).

it's a purely cosmetic skin, otherwise i might be obliged to understand the butthurt players a bit better.

 

[tippy2k2]

If I spent money on something that's supposed to be limited, I'd be unhappy if they pushed out more editions of what's SUPPOSED to be a rare item.

That's the problem with digital content though, isn't it? Physical items are limited because only a given number of them exists at a time. With digital content, no such limit is in place. Sure, access may be restricted for a time, but information wants to be free.

Sometimes that would be an issue but not for something like this. The only way for more of these skins to show up is for the company to release them. It's not like a hidden track on a CD where once it's out, anyone can copy it to Napster (or whatever the kids are using these days).

It might be company-enforced rare but it's still rare. If consumers paid to get the rare item (being told it would be limited) and that is false, they have every right to complain about the situation.

 

[WeepingAngels]

So these skins do nothing, right? Purely cosmetic items?

If so, then yes they are being whiny manchildren.

I don't understand the term manchildren, what does it mean and is there a female equivalent?

On topic, this is the problem with limited edition shit, retailer specific pre-order bonuses and related shit.

If they are going to use "exclusive shit" as bait then it needs to remain exclusive but that sucks too. I propose they just put out a damn game like they used and forget all the "buy it before the reviews" bullshit.

 

[krazykidd]

It's not limited edition skins if they bring it back . That defeats the purpose of limited skins . If you give me a limited edition of something , then give it to someone else later , for sure i'm gonna be pissed .

 

[ShinyCharizard]

If it's a limited edition item it should stay as a limited edition item. If not then it is a big fuck you to those who originally got it thinking it was limited.

 

[VanQ]

I can't speak specifically about LoL, but I've been playing WoW since day 1 and I still play my Warlock/Warrior that I've had since that day. I have always been a hoarder of sorts and a collector of in game cool thingies. A lot of those items became unobtainable in game through various patches and changes to the world. Some items were available through world events and the like and several gave you a Feat of Strength for having obtained them.

If Blizzard came out and said "Oh btw, we're now making the Spirit of Competition and the 2007 Brewfest Stein available through our store but don't worry, you guys that already have it have a Feat of Strength" I'd be pretty mad. There's something about owning something that others can't have that makes it special and makes it feel yours.

I know I was mad when Blizzard put PvP titles back into the game. They were extremely difficult to obtain back in the day and now you can earn them by faffing about in arenas for long enough. Damn it, it used to be cool to be "Knight Vanq" or "Sargeant Major Janeva."

People still ask me how to get the Spirit of Competition. And I still have a Grand Spellstone and Grand Firestone in my bank, even though they're useless now.

Also, if something is advertised as limited edition, it should stay limited. It wouldn't have any value otherwise. It's bad business practice.

 

[Raziel]

If I spent money on something that's supposed to be limited, I'd be unhappy if they pushed out more editions of what's SUPPOSED to be a rare item.

That's the problem with digital content though, isn't it? Physical items are limited because only a given number of them exists at a time. With digital content, no such limit is in place. Sure, access may be restricted for a time, but information wants to be free.[/quote]

If they are going to call it LIMITED edition then it must be limited. If they are going to push it out later for everyone they need to call it early access or something. All this crap where these companies can do whatever they want without us having recourse has to stop. We need to have a recourse when they pull a switch on us.

 

[Xdeser2]

Yeah, I'd say its pretty damn childish too.

Yes, I'd be a bit mad if I bought something because it was limited (that being said, buying something because it's limited is dumb) and that turned out to be wrong.

But in the end you have to have priorities. seriously come on, Its just a SKIN. A SKIN. Its nothing to get mad over. It's entirely inconsequential, and out of everything its the smallest thing to get unnecessarily angry over.

 

[llubtoille]

I can imagine why they're annoyed, having something that is rare is of value in itself, by making it even temporarily available it greatly diminishes this - like old mounts in WoW that are unobtainable now.

The special boarder and icon isn't nearly as eye-catching as a rare skin.

While the RP refund seems more like them limiting the possibility of retaliation re. claims of lying about limited availability.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

This reminds me of the numerous hat dramas in Team Fortress 2.

Well I suppose at least in TF2 those hats could be worth literally up to a thousand dollars, these are just probably worth $10-20 and the previous owners won't lose any money from it...

 

[Bombiz]

feel like if they paid money for it then they are entitled to get angry over it and complain/voice their opinions on it. But i don't think that it gives them the right to, start spewing verbal shit onto the net. If their going to complain then they have to do it respectfully.

Also i don't think generalizing all of these people is the correct/right thing to do.

 

[Lil_Rimmy]

As with many others:

If it's a LIMITED EDITION skin, you don't go and re-sell it. People get limited edition things because they are only available for a short time, are most likely special and it's something that not many other people have.

If they are going to make it unlimited, then anyone should be free to a refund. Now, I know these are just skins. I find this stupid too. But the business practice of making something LIMITED is the problem here. People are going to be more likely to get that limited edition gun, because it's the one time they CAN get it, and so sales would be higher than usual. So what Riot has does is:

"Here, have a limited edition skin!"

MONEYZ!

"Wait... because it's limited... we can't sell any more? RE-RELEASE!"

It's against the very idea of a limited edition thing. Whilst I find it stupid because it's a skin that has NO effect, I find the LIMITED part to be a problem. Riot shouldn't be doing this. I mean, bloody hell, it's a skin, just make a new one. Or, you know, don't? They are skins. Literally no effect on anything.