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Vrex360

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Nomanslander said:
I don't understand how some people are against this, Halo and Bay would go perfect together, I mean Halo is made for the likes of Bay to direct.
Not really, truly the best director who can bring about a decent adaptation of a given subject matter would have to be a hardcore fan of said subject matter. I mean Tim Burton's 'Sweeny Todd' proved successful and I think that was largely because Tim was a huge fan of the original play so he applied himself more. I'm just saying I doubt someone like Micheal bay, who was able to dumb down the forumla of slasher movies, would care about the story of the Halo series (which is MUCH better than people give it credit for)

On one hand you have a director that does nothing but big dumb military fetish-ed overly melo-dramatized action movies stuffed with ADHD style and a thousand gallons of redbull, and on the other hand you have a franchise...
.... that has an emphasis on action, in the games, and outside of which has a story that seems to parody the clash between western and eastern culture. With humans that appear somewhat athiest and extremely gung-ho and militarised (UNSC) with their attitude taking the fight to an alien race that is noble, dignified dogmatic and religious (Covenant). Or is it the fact that unlike a lot of other FPS's, the aliens are shown to be a lot like humans themselves. Complete with their own personalities and friends and families and beliefs that culminate in a civil war that desrupts the balance of their empire.
Plus the fact that both armies are incidentally treading on the ground of a long forgotten war, centered around the discoveries of a powerful weapon that was mistaken as a religious icon by the Covenant and as the two sides battle and try to achieve victory over the other, alliances have to be forged and eventually a final battle with the fate of the galaxy in the balance takes place.

Now if you ask me, that is huge epic and out there stuff. And that's just the main without the various additions, because right now I don't have the room to fit it all.
Point is, feel free to dislike Halo's plot all you want, it may not be for you and I respect that, but DO NOT just reduce it to 'blagh military alienz grahhhh'.

I mean...they're just so perfect for each other...=)
As I said before, he's not a fan and is not a good director. Halo meanwhile has worthy things going for it, not just in plot but presentation, that demands someone with an artistic soul and a liking for the series.
Also, don't use smiley faces at the end of sentances.

Oh, look at it this way Halo fanboys,
People should have a right to like or dislike whatever they want without being labelled 'fanboy'. I detest that term, I am a fan and a boy but I refuse to have that term used. The term 'Halo fanboy' has been used more often as a covert insult for people who are guilty of nothing other than liking a game franchise for a VERY long time.
Why is it that if you say you like Half Life then you are a Half Life fan whereas if you like Halo, you are automatically deemed 'fanboy'. To tell you the truth I tire of it.

Bay would also be perfect for Gears of War too, and I love that big dumb machofest series to death....lol
Okay, I'll take a step back here and I apologise for getting worked up. At least you are being honest to a degree, however I still think that with Gears of War it is at a state where it is obviously not TRYING to be anything else but a beefed up actioner, though it did at least attempt to give the characters depth in Gears 2. To be honest I just don't think Micheal Bay is suited for any of this kind of material and that once again, a fan of the franchise would have more to say on how it should look then a guy only doing this for his paycheck.

Just gotta come to turns with the stuff you're a fanboy of, and in this case something really big dumb, and proud of it's pointless self...=/
As I said before, deeper analysis on Halo can show a deeper side that people often don't give it credit for. It's not the dumb machoness that everyone calls it, nor can it be the blandness that people whine about.
Believe it or not, if it was pointlessly dumb and blandly put together then it wouldn't have NEARLY the number of fans that it does.
So yeah, while I respect that you don't like Halo, I don't respect you more or less ragging on the people that do.
So, again, I apologise if this has been at all offensive and or possibly preachy but I just felt I had to get that off my chest.
 

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Eh, have him go make a Half-life movie before a Halo movie. I could care less if that franchise was tarnished. Or maybe KOTOR? Maybe Bay should run with that?

Just cause you don't like it Bob you shouldn't wish ill things upon it. ESPECIALLY Micheal Bay.
 

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Armored Prayer said:
No, don't recommend Bay doing a Halo movie!

Just the very thought of that is making my brain bleed. Not to mention all the fans will go bat-shit crazy.
You know the majority of crazy ass halo fans would love that, right?
 

Vrex360

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qbanknight said:
Armored Prayer said:
No, don't recommend Bay doing a Halo movie!

Just the very thought of that is making my brain bleed. Not to mention all the fans will go bat-shit crazy.
You know the majority of crazy ass halo fans would love that, right?
Speaking as a crazy Halo fan, no, we wouldn't.
 

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Vrex360 said:
qbanknight said:
Armored Prayer said:
No, don't recommend Bay doing a Halo movie!

Just the very thought of that is making my brain bleed. Not to mention all the fans will go bat-shit crazy.
You know the majority of crazy ass halo fans would love that, right?
Speaking as a crazy Halo fan, no, we wouldn't.
Just talking about majority, I know there are few smart ones, like yourself, out there who know Bay is a hack
 

Vrex360

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qbanknight said:
Vrex360 said:
qbanknight said:
Armored Prayer said:
No, don't recommend Bay doing a Halo movie!

Just the very thought of that is making my brain bleed. Not to mention all the fans will go bat-shit crazy.
You know the majority of crazy ass halo fans would love that, right?
Speaking as a crazy Halo fan, no, we wouldn't.
Just talking about majority, I know there are few smart ones, like yourself, out there who know Bay is a hack
Alright then, just checking.
 

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I'm assuming you didn't bother to read my second post, so I'll say it again because I love to hear myself.....type.

Anyway, I'd like to call bullshit right back. Everything you say about what can make a movie "terrible" is based on a standard that was created by someone. That someone or someones created these standards using their own opinions about what makes a movie good. Like in previous "arts" (painting, sculpting, etc.) these standards shift and change over time. And given the nature of the film business, those standards shift far more rapidly than ever before. Given that, I don't understand how we can have this single set-in-stone standard that defines good and bad.

And even if you can say that a movie is bad based on those standards, that doesn't mean that it's "law" for every viewer. Again, I loved Transformers, but I am no less of a person for liking a movie that you or Bob didn't like. And I pity people who would let a reviewer tell them to not go see a movie. I would rather see 1000 bad movies than miss a single good one.
Okay, something you need to understand. The rules created for shot composition are there for a REASON. They are fluid and they can be fickle but they are there. You can claim to like such-and-such a thing, but with poor shot composition, it's still going to be poorly made.

The rules of story telling and characterization are again, fluid but even more well defined. And the rules of dialogue writing aren't even all that fluid, they are simply there. You can claim to like it again, to use another example I adore and love Army of Darkness, because it's fun on a bun. But it's dialogue is shit and it's characterization is terrible. See there? I admitted a movie I love is poorly made. You can claim to like Transformers 2 and say it's enjoyable but it doesn't change the fact that it is poorly made.

And I would be willing to bet I've seen more movies than you do, and I would never let a critic tell me not to see a movie, but the reason we listen to critics is they've generally studied the craft for most of their lives and know what they're talking about. It's also important to remember that reviews are subjective personal opinion, so people need to not get angry about someone disliking a movie they liked or liking a movie they hated.
 

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Seems my prediction about this film came to pass. I mean I was dissapointed about the recasting of Freddy like anyone who enjoyed the old franchise, Robert Englund is Freddy - but I also saw the value in Jackie Earle Haley taking on the role, Hell, we all knew he has forboding kill-all-and-don't-care presence from his work with Rorschach. Maybe not the humour of Englund's Freddy but it looked like they were taing the franchise and making it dark and scary - I mean maybe that was the right thing to do since Nightmare at times was more of a comedy than a horror, (to me - but maybe I'm not right in the head.) So yeah, I thought he'd be good but the movie would stink. Didn't know Michael Bay was involved in any way, if I did my "preditions" would have been about as impressive as someone predicting the sun would rise in the east but still, I'm content.

I've still got to see this at some point. Maybe wait so I don't have to pay for it though.
 

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Elesar said:
wadark said:
I'm assuming you didn't bother to read my second post, so I'll say it again because I love to hear myself.....type.

Anyway, I'd like to call bullshit right back. Everything you say about what can make a movie "terrible" is based on a standard that was created by someone. That someone or someones created these standards using their own opinions about what makes a movie good. Like in previous "arts" (painting, sculpting, etc.) these standards shift and change over time. And given the nature of the film business, those standards shift far more rapidly than ever before. Given that, I don't understand how we can have this single set-in-stone standard that defines good and bad.

And even if you can say that a movie is bad based on those standards, that doesn't mean that it's "law" for every viewer. Again, I loved Transformers, but I am no less of a person for liking a movie that you or Bob didn't like. And I pity people who would let a reviewer tell them to not go see a movie. I would rather see 1000 bad movies than miss a single good one.
Okay, something you need to understand. The rules created for shot composition are there for a REASON. They are fluid and they can be fickle but they are there. You can claim to like such-and-such a thing, but with poor shot composition, it's still going to be poorly made.

The rules of story telling and characterization are again, fluid but even more well defined. And the rules of dialogue writing aren't even all that fluid, they are simply there. You can claim to like it again, to use another example I adore and love Army of Darkness, because it's fun on a bun. But it's dialogue is shit and it's characterization is terrible. See there? I admitted a movie I love is poorly made. You can claim to like Transformers 2 and say it's enjoyable but it doesn't change the fact that it is poorly made.

And I would be willing to bet I've seen more movies than you do, and I would never let a critic tell me not to see a movie, but the reason we listen to critics is they've generally studied the craft for most of their lives and know what they're talking about. It's also important to remember that reviews are subjective personal opinion, so people need to not get angry about someone disliking a movie they liked or liking a movie they hated.
I'm not going to debate which of us has seen more movies. Maybe you have, but its irrelevant really. Critics may have studied the craft and know the "rules" but, even so, that doesn't make them the authority on what you will and will not enjoy. And so I say again, anyone who lets a review tell them not to see a movie they wanted to see is a fool.

The rules are there, and I'll admit that you can make a determination about the individual characteristics of a film, but everyone weights those characteristics different.

All I'm really saying is, if you wanted to see a movie, don't let a review dissuade you. You may like it, you may not, but that's the way of the film.
 

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Actually Bay and Halo would probably go together really well, and do quite nicely complimenting each others strengths. But uh, everything else? Ew.
 

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I saw this movie even after seeing this review so I had no expectations... but I just came back and I'll have to say it was actually good Micheal Bay helped make a good movie. I'm going to look outside and make sure the world is not ending. but I didn't find many characters annoying, Jackie Earle Haley did an amazing job that made up for many of the movies flaws, and there were a few creative twists thrown in. I would like to see the dream world taken advantage of better in the future though, in dreams reality doesn't apply who is as lame as these kids when they dream? I can control my dreams so I'm usually flying or living the life of Hugh Hefner when I dream. Still If your a fan you might want to see this.
 

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Micheal Bay should remake The Howling movies or Leprichaun 4; he couldn;t possibly make them worse than they already are.
 

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No ideas on Nightmare but the Watchmen reference gave me an idea. I hope that a movie maker can actually use this. Kick-Ass * Watchmen = ? The answer ... is a movie about heroes that is fun for all to watch but sucker punches you with the conflicting ideas and emotions of said heroes.
 

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Please movie bob I care about a halo movie and it has potential (If they have the arbiter in it) so don't curse it with Michel Bay, please
 

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Firia said:
Actually Bay and Halo would probably go together really well, and do quite nicely complimenting each others strengths. But uh, everything else? Ew.
not at all give us Guillermo del toro, or James Camrine (extremely wishful thinking) somebody who knows how to create a compelling world with cool characters. Also those who say theres no story to work with the covenant side of the story is brilliant. The arbiter was such a good character but some stupid halo fans hated him because he simply wasn't master chief
 

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lukemdizzle said:
Firia said:
Actually Bay and Halo would probably go together really well, and do quite nicely complimenting each others strengths. But uh, everything else? Ew.
not at all give us Guillermo del toro, or James Camrine (extremely wishful thinking) somebody who knows how to create a compelling world with cool characters. Also those who say theres no story to work with the covenant side of the story is brilliant. The arbiter was such a good character but some stupid halo fans hated him because he simply wasn't master chief
To be honest, I haven't played to much Halo. :) Like, the first level of the first game, spotted areas of Halo 2, and a fair bit of Halo 3. I got roped into Co-op at a friends place. The story that I observed was a lot of "hurry up and go," big explosions, shock and awe. Which is the very same school of thought as Bay. :) I'm not saying Bay should only do Halo. Heavens no. I wouldn't want him to destroy another beloved franchise like he did to Transformers. (Lord only knows what he'd do to Master Chiefs iconic look.)

Ideally, Bay would retire, living a meager retirement on mere millions made from summer blockbusters on the backs of CGI explosions. Then we could get a REAL film maker in here. You can have your Halo movie, I can have my... freedom from Bay. :) Or at least a real Optimus Prime... least the voice actor is badass (and THE Optimus).
 

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Random Argument Man said:
SkullCap said:
GameGoddess101 said:
Michael Bay doing a Halo movie... much better idea than Peter Jackson doing a Halo movie...
AMEN. We don't want a good director like Jackson to ruin his career. Bay has no talent so lets give it to him.
Actually, a sign of a great director is taking something with a bad premise and manage to make something great out of it.

I can think of 28 days later and Danny Boyle as an example. He kicked-started the zombie trend of the 2000s with fast zombies, infections and focus on survival of the group. He picked something that was over-used and gave it a new twist.

Somehow, I think Peter Jackson could make a good movie out of Halo. At worst, Jackson's movies are so-so. I've never seen a bad Peter Jackson movie. Halo could have a few things out there for a good movie. However, I'm not sure if it's going to change the minds of people saying "Halo sux LALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALA".
Excellent point. A good director CAN make a good movie out of a bland plot. I personally don't hate Halo, but the more avid fans drive me crazy. Halo would be impressive in the hands of Peter Jackson. So I'll reconsider my original stance and try to be more optimistic towards the idea of a Halo movie.
 

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*checks watch* just like clockwork it's time for Bob to take potshots at Halo again.

I understand he doesn't like Halo and there's nothing wrong with that. What I don't understand the seeming underlying hatred for it or why (aside from being popular) it's singled out for that. Avatar was (if you'll pardon the yathzee quote) like a painting, pretty to look at but otherwise two-dimensional, and Bob still loved that. So why give Halo so much flak? It had a decent story that didn't get in the way of the fun, unlike some other games I could name.

But whatever, it's not like im trying to change anyone's mind. I just wish he'd find a new whipping boy for a while because it's getting old.

Edit: BTW anyone who thinks putting Bay in charge of a Halo movie is a good idea, you're an idiot. Michael Bay is only good at making anything terrible. Just look at the Transformer movies. If nothing else you might have thought he could get the fighting right. But nope they're two huge piles of FAIL!
 

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Well thats it i am fire bombing HOLLYWOOD too many remakes of old movies and shows and crappy sequels and not enough experimental stuff also guess what their making a crappy live action of something that should never ever be made into a movie and i have an exclusive clip here you go darth vader ep6 fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8kTcKFnAMU