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The Grim Ace

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THEY HAD JANE LEVY IN TALKS YET THEY WENT WITH MEGAN FOX?!?! *blood everywhere*

OT: Balls is a surprising thing from a movie like that but, if I do get dragged to see this movie, I'll be awaiting Jeremy Irons in all his glory. I'll even refer to him as Pope Scar in my head.
 

Therumancer

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Bob, I'm going to address you directly again. I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I think it might help a bit if you actually read more female-oriented literature. Stuff written by women for women, it might help a bit when your evaluating certain aspects of this kind of movie. I've been in positions a few times in my life where I've wound up reading to occupy my mind and not really had much of a choice of what to read (whatever is at hand) so I have a fairly good grasp of some of this.

You keep mentioning sexist retro-morality when you talk about things like "Twilight" or how female "Casters" don't get a choice in their alligience. But I'd point out that the genders do have some differances in terms of what appeals to them and how they think, there are entire books like "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus" and similar things which go into this. The details aren't important for the most part, but has it ever occured to you that lack of control is part of the appeal, and that a lot of women might agree with some of this morality instinctively? It's something to consider when looking at books written by women, for women, which become popular enough to have things like a movie franchise made about them. As a guy some things that you find anathema or apalling, might not be seen that way by the other side of the gender equasion, rationalism as opposed to relationalism and such.

To put things into a perspective that will probably piss you and some other people off before you really think about it, sometime consider the differance between someone being "ravished" and "raped". To you, there really is no differance, your talking about forced, not entirely willing sexual contact. To a girl though there is a HUGE degree of differance, and that comes out in romance novels and such, where the male lead, who might be represented by a guy like Fabio on the cover, basically rapes the female lead, but she ultimatly wants to be dominated that way by this studmuffin so it's okay. Something which I think leads to a lot of the problems in real life where guys who read this tend to think "this is what women want" when really it comes down to what they think of someone beforehand, and in general... don't go there. The point being though that women find the ideal of giving up control that way sppealing enough under the right circumstances for it to fuel the sales of hundreds upon hundreds of books doing exactly the same basic thing, exactly the same basic way.

While it's not sexual, being caught up in something important, but beyond her control, is part of the sppeal of something like "caster" or other novels where the female protaganist spends a lot of the time more or less out of sorts or out of control, even if they wind up playing a crucial role towards the end of the story.

Ask yourself seriously, if this is actually sexist, or if it's a big part of why something like this gets enough attention to get a movie, and this basic theme gets recycled by women for women through lots of books. Not really getting this kind of thing is in part why a lot of guys are dismissive of "chic lit", and probably also why a lot of women aren't all that attracted to the stuff guys read (though it does happen, along with guys reading the stuff aimed at girls) because they just don't "get" a lot of the conventions, like the protaganist always being in as much control as possible, the same way guys don't see the appeal in it being any other way.

You might think this in of itself sounds sexist, and I suppose from a certain perspective it might be, but that's why I'm suggesting you might want to broaden your reading horizons a bit more, it might help in understanding the appeal of certain things your not really the target audience for.

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Otherwise I'll say that I agree especially with the point about good and evil in the media. In most cases to create a sense of jeopardy, good needs to have some excuse to be sitting on it's hands, while evil does pretty much whatever it wants. If the "demons" are rampaging it's more dramatic for a group of heroes to face them against incredible odds than to have the "angels" show up and pretty much wave everyone else to the sideline. It DOES tend to get old, but at the same time in storylines where things are supposed to be relatively secret, and normal seeming to everyone else in the majority of the world, you can't have this kind of thing otherwise good and evil would be going at it 24/7 in the middle of Times Square and none of it would be secret and the world would be very differant from our own.... you know pretty much exactly like comic books where exactly that happens, and good guys and bad guys literally do punch it out in the middle of cities all day while regular folks look on from the sidelines.

In recent memory the most obnoxious example of this recently has probably been "Supernatural" though, for years now they have had the plot revolving around what amounts to a Biblical apocolypse and it's aftermath. With Angels, Demons, and later Leviathans all basically being their own special breed of douchebags while humans get covertly mass murdered as irrelevent on all sides. For this to happen of course the first thing they had to do was sideline God on the weak justification of "he's not getting involved", which raises the whole "WTF why" question, any answer to which will make no sense other than "because we wouldn't have a show otherwise... and aren't all these duelling angels, demons, and monsters so much fuuuun, why should we ruin the endlss carnage by actually having the guy who is supposed to prevent this doing his job for a change". :)

In short, it's something that has been an issue in fiction (except maybe comics) for as long as it's existed, sacrifices to common sense for dramatic tension. It even happens with multi-year long series running on Primetime TV (frequently, in one form or another) why would movies be immune? That said calling a movie out for a lack of logical sense is a good thing, in hopes of getting better writing, but there is no need to harp on the good guys not doing their thing this much, when you could pretty much just leave it with a briefer mention and say that it follows the same old crappy trope of good basically not giving a crap.
 

synobal

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Hollywood goes for all the wrong book series when trying to make movies. What do I have to pay for a good Kate Daniels movie?
 

Markunator

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WhiteTigerShiro said:
Uh-oh! MovieBob said something about a Sony product that wasn't completely positive, time to queue-up the "Figures, he always was a Nintendo fanboy" comments. Because Heaven forbid that we should be getting bored of a design that's nearly 2 decades old.
How is the controller the same as it has been? It has made the necessary updates, nothing more. Why change something that isn't broken?
 

Fayathon

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varmintx said:
Gizmo1990 said:
I have no idea what Bob was saying Fox should not play but as she is bad in everything it is probably good advice. Can anyone enlighten me as to who it was?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/22/megan-fox-joining-michael-bays-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
Chock up one more place that needs copious amounts of thermite. Purge that shit with holy fire.

OT: Figured it wasn't gonna be good, glad I don't have any reason to watch it.
 

Xman490

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I guess this is the film equivalent of NeverDead. It has an interesting premise (especially for me, since the "Deep South" is close to home but far enough to scoff at), and it squanders the opportunity by stamping on contemporary tropes that don't fit in and by simply failing at the execution of the unique mechanic/intrigue.
 

Basement Cat

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TheNaut131 said:
...April O'Neil played by Megan Fox?

I-what in the-but how-didn't her and Michael Bay have a spat or...WHAT?

No amount of NO is large enough.
Yeah. But all the "No"'s probably won't stop them from making ANOTHER half a billion dollars world wide. Gosh! Who could stand for that green horror!


seiler88 said:
Am I the only Christian conservitive that is confused by this recent trend in fiction? I thought this line of thought had fallen out of the mainstream and was relegated to the minority.
You're joking, right?

seiler88 said:
Second why is Hollywood turning this stuff out shouldn't they be opposed to this stuff on principle?

Yeah, of course you are.
 

00m

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@Snowalker, thanks for that fix, and thanks for letting me know the rest of what I said in not so off base...
 

Lunar Templar

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so, unlike the thing it's ripping off there's actually sprinklings of goodness in the setting and premise, they just never sack up and go all the way with it?

that's kinda sad, but then, Michel Bay still has a job so its not un-expected
 

00m

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@ Steve the Pocket. Yep...

All we can do is not write like this, and promote those who do likewise, at least that I where I start...

http://magicalgirlman.blogspot.com/

http://www.tumblr.com/blog/magicalgirlman
 

walruss

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As someone who has a hard time with extremist, close-minded thinking, can we please stop pretending it's "gutsy" to attack it? Hollywood is already there. They've been there for like 30 years. Certainly they've always sugar-coated the message with "or, you know, not, if you disagree," so that they wouldn't lose paying customers. And that's apparently what they've done here (I won't be watching the movie to find out, so I'll have to take your word for it). But just the idea that for Hollywood to attack the far right is still "brave" in any meaningful way is demonstrably false.
 

Darth_Payn

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Hilarious video, Bob! The best part was where you named all those good/bad factions from pop culture, and I thought you were going to stop at griffindor/slytherin, but I lost it at G.I.JOE/COBRA! I knew you'd rip this flick a few new ones since that one preview episode of yours, and you did not dissapoint!

Is it just me, or do I only know Emmy Rossum from complete cinematic trainwrecks?
 

m19

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"Cause wymmin. Am I right fellas?"

Women write it. Women love it. But let me berate men anyway.
 

JSW

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Personally, I'm glad that they're getting Megan Fox to play April. It was pretty much a forgone conclusion since the moment Michael Bay became involved with the project that the new Ninja Turtles movie was going to suck, but there was still a risk that it would end up as the jjTrek kind of suck where the movie still ends up making a lot of money and is allowed to define the franchise going forward. News like this just increases the chances of the movie being a complete and utter failure that can be written off and forgotten about like The Next Mutation was.
 

MetalMagpie

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seiler88 said:
Am I the only Christian conservitive that is confused by this recent trend in fiction? I thought this line of thought had fallen out of the mainstream and was relegated to the minority.

Second why is Hollywood turning this stuff out shouldn't they be opposed to this stuff on principle?
Magical hook-ups specifically or gothic fantasy in general?

Gothic and urban fantasy has been popular for ages - it's just that Twilight pushed it to world-conquering levels of popularity. People (of all ages) love the idea of a secret world hidden within our own world. It's like a special club you can join, but one where people have magical powers. The Harry Potter books are another good example.

Hook-ups between magical beings and mortal humans have been popular in fiction for centuries. Like Romeo and Juliet, there's an inherent melodrama in the idea of two people desperately in love, but forced apart by some unchangeable difference. And from another (more titillating) angle, gods/immortals sleeping with human women is a subject that artists have adored since Classical times! Check out the number of paintings and sculptures depicting Zeus seducing Europa.
 

MetalMagpie

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Therumancer said:
Bob, I'm going to address you directly again.
You would address him more directly by just sending him a message [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/MovieBob]. ;)