Escape to the Movies: Centurion

[dariuskyne]

wait, wait wait, we're giving movie bob crap because he made fun of people who liked a movie he detested? have we forgotten that he is a human being?

people make fun of other people because they like a certain style of music, or movie, or thing, toy, etc...
people make fun of every audience out there
and when a human being who is doing movie reviews FOR A WEBSITE, not national tv, and espouting HIS OPINION we trash on him... maybe he is right you're all morons and overly sensitive idiots, get yourselves journals and write your woes on the tear stained pages of dear diary.

grow the up people, and grow a thicker skin.

or is yahtzee the only one allowed make fun of certain audiences on this site?

Let me ask you a question.

What do you think the comments thread is for?

Now I think that it's so people can give feedback on the video, you now a way to convey their response to what Moviebob is saying in his review.

oh no, i agree that every person is entitled to their opinion, but to totally lambast a person for it is, in MY opinion idiocy, i respect that people don't agree with bob, or yahtzee, or me, or you, but it doesn't need to be constantly re-done over multiple threads, acknowedge that was just movie bob's opinion of the film and move on. no need for multiple thread disscussion over if he was right or not to state that opinion, which is essentially what's going on. people seem to want him to retract his opinion, to change how he feels about that movie and it's watchers, and that's not right.

 

[loophole92]

1) You're incredibly sexist, either intentionally or not. See your reviews for SALT and this last review to see what I'm talking about. It's not even done humourously, you seem to feel breasts make up for not being a fantastic movie.

2) I enjoyed Scott Pilgrim more than The Expendables, whereas you just wanted to like Scott Pilgrim more because you got all the references and that made you feel good about your life or something. You do know these things called 'target demographics'? yeah, had it ever occured to you that the two films were aimed at entirely different people? (Case in point, Shaun of the Dead, Wright's better film, was received better in Britain than the US because it was aimed at British people, like star Simon Pegg's TV Series Spaced). I used to have respect for you as a critic, but your treatment of the Expendables and those who watched was a very bad mistake. Reviews are meant to say what is good about a film, what is bad about it and maybe have the reviewers own personal response as an accompaniment - otherwise you just give an opinion of a film, which is bound to be flawed. Shame on you, Movie Bob. Even if you quite rightfully stick to your opinion of The Expendables, it seems only fair that you should apologise for aimlessly insulting those who did not share your 'grand vision'

3) I think you're just saying Piranha 3D is better to be an arrogant ass, it's okay to admit you're wrong once in a while. If you apologise now, you could still salvage your fanbase because you will lose them if you keep going on about your divine judgement on The Expendables.
Otherwise, keep up the good work

 

[Michael Jaynes]

What I don't get about this whole discussion is why people are offended that Bob, a movie critic, insulted them for liking a certain movie that he thinks is bad. Go out and read some negative reviews of Scott Pilgrim, and you'll hear all sorts of disparaging comments about the "audience it was intended for" and how out of touch they are, ADD-prone, etc, etc. Nobody gets mad at Yahtzee (who is ostensibly a game reviewer) for constantly insulting his viewers and those that like bad games, which he does in almost every video he has posted.

I guess really the point is that I don't see why every single person who was butthurt by MovieBob calling them out felt it necessary to post "I'm not going to respect your opinion or watch your videos anymore because you INSULTED ME". If you feel that way, great. Stop watching his videos, and leave his threads open for discussions by those who still appreciate his reviews.

That being sad, I got dragged to Pirahna the other night and found myself enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. It was only 90 minutes long, the bloody massacre money shot was great, and there was a lot of really stupid humor that was enjoyable. Having not seen the original film, I didn't realize that the tone of that film and this remake is extremely tongue-in-cheek, all of which were why I liked it, not the tits. Also, Ving Rhames.

 

[Ian S]

Ok, I've seen both Piranha 3D and The Expendables, and I had to agree with him that Pirnaha 3D was the better film. Yes, it was cheese, but it was good cheese as it kind of harkened back to the b-movie monster flicks of yesteryear (specifically the Roger Corman-produced/Joe Dante-helmed original Piranha).

Bob's somewhat adolescent assertions as to why it was good aside, the difference between The Expendables and Piranha 3D was because Piranha 3D 1) Had better cinematography when it came to the action scenes, eschewing the shakycam editing that seems to plague most modern action movies these days (and seems to be a crutch for lazy directors and cinematographers who don't want to seem to go to the trouble of having to choreograph a fight scene) and more importantly 2) unlike The Expendables, it does not even try to take itself seriously. It knows the premise itself is ludicrous, is not afraid to admit it, and even embraces it and runs with it full-tilt gonzo. Contrast this with The Expendables, which tries to make some sort of pretense or justification for all its action scenes. To wit, the scene with Rourke and Stallone where Rourke makes a speech about saving what's left of his soul or something or other, with the implication that Stallone's character is having a crisis of conscience and decided to do it for his own sake. Yet the plot only pays it lip service. Had this idea been more fleshed-out, I think The Expendables would have had more dramatic weight to it and the fight scenes would have actually meant something. But in the end all we got were a bunch of meaningless explosions.

But I do agree that Bob missed the point why everyone was so angry with him, as has been pointed out, it was because of his implied insults to those who went to see The Expendables. His liking Piranha 3D may on the surface make him look like a hypocrite, but I think his arguments here over why Piranha 3D was the better B-movie speak for themselves.

(BTW, the two movies are linked in another interesting way, as Kelly Brook once dated Jason Statham for awhile. Think that one over.)

As for Centurion, that one kind of snuck up on me. Apparently either it wasn't released in my area or is going to be available on On Demand. Either way, I'll need to check it out as I've loved all of Neil Marshall's films (especially Dog Soldiers) and he hasn't steered me wrong yet.

 

[someotherguy]

In this thread: People continue their discussion of the expendables from last week because no one knows how to let anything go.

Was expecting more of a review this week. I understand that nothing good came out, but still...

exactly. the escapist needs to grow a sack. if they are on the internet and get OFFENEDED that EASILY then they need to GTFO before they see 4chan and what they say on there. christ.
learn to take a JOKE people.

RULE ONE AND TWO.

ahem. No, I'm pretty sure when you have 5 minutes of lol-nerdrage it's pretty fun to troll. It was an interesting review (expendables) for all involved. I honestly doubt that thing you talked about would offend these people. It's more so movie bob just waaaahing about it for 5 mins.

 

[Stevanchez]

In this thread: People continue their discussion of the expendables from last week because no one knows how to let anything go.

Was expecting more of a review this week. I understand that nothing good came out, but still...

So, you expect the viewers to take the "high road", when MovieBob refuses to do so?

Bob was the one who brought the subject up again and insulted the same people that were pissed last week. So...Yeah, they kind of have a right to be pissed again.

Especially when, just a week after chastising them for liking a meaningless action flick, he praises an even more meaningless movie because, "it has lots of 3D boobies in it".

And two wrongs have always made a right, right?

He's no good for bringing it up again and you're no good for continuing to hold the grudge. So he insulted you, who the fuck cares? People insult other people daily. This is life. Get over it.

I'm not holding a grudge. I haven't even seen The Expendables and did not even take part in the, apparently, epic war of words that took place last week. But you can't expect people, especially those that were insulted last week, to hold their tongues when Bob throws a few more cheap shots in his video this week.

I agree that people should get over it. But you shouldn't defend Bob, when he apparently refuses to get over it himself.

Where did I defend Bob? I mean, sure, I didn't do too well with my reading comprehension in grade school, but I clearly see me saying that both he and the audience are in the wrong for continuing to argue over this. Perhaps you are seeing something different?

In your first post you state that the "people" need to let it go. Then later you say, even though Bob insulted them, the "people" need to get over it because, "This is life".

So, to me, you're not ignoring the fact that Bob did something "wrong", but you're expected those who feel they've been "wronged" to completely ignore that it ever happened and just except it. And yeah, IMO, that's a form of defending Bob's actions.

The bottom line is this. If Bob didn't like what people said about his review, then he should have never made the insults in the first place. He should have just explained why he didn't like the movie and moved on. And if you are upset that this thread has become another The Expendables warzone, then you should blame Bob for bringing it up again, not the people he is continuing to insult.

 

[latenightapplepie]

Is anyone else getting a little uncomfortable about the fact that Moviebob seems to think beautiful naked or semi-naked women improve films for him?

I'm just feeling a little left out.

 

[Gxas]

In this thread: People continue their discussion of the expendables from last week because no one knows how to let anything go.

Was expecting more of a review this week. I understand that nothing good came out, but still...

So, you expect the viewers to take the "high road", when MovieBob refuses to do so?

Bob was the one who brought the subject up again and insulted the same people that were pissed last week. So...Yeah, they kind of have a right to be pissed again.

Especially when, just a week after chastising them for liking a meaningless action flick, he praises an even more meaningless movie because, "it has lots of 3D boobies in it".

And two wrongs have always made a right, right?

He's no good for bringing it up again and you're no good for continuing to hold the grudge. So he insulted you, who the fuck cares? People insult other people daily. This is life. Get over it.

I'm not holding a grudge. I haven't even seen The Expendables and did not even take part in the, apparently, epic war of words that took place last week. But you can't expect people, especially those that were insulted last week, to hold their tongues when Bob throws a few more cheap shots in his video this week.

I agree that people should get over it. But you shouldn't defend Bob, when he apparently refuses to get over it himself.

Where did I defend Bob? I mean, sure, I didn't do too well with my reading comprehension in grade school, but I clearly see me saying that both he and the audience are in the wrong for continuing to argue over this. Perhaps you are seeing something different?

In your first post you state that the "people" need to let it go. Then later you say, even though Bob insulted them, the "people" need to get over it because, "This is life".

So, to me, you're not ignoring the fact that Bob did something "wrong", but you're expected those who feel they've been "wronged" to completely ignore that it ever happened and just except it. And yeah, IMO, that's a form of defending Bob's actions.

The bottom line is this. If Bob didn't like what people said about his review, then he should have never made the insults in the first place. He should have just explained why he didn't like the movie and moved on. And if you are upset that this thread has become another The Expendables warzone, then you should blame Bob for bringing it up again, not the people he is continuing to insult.

Both parties are at fault and both parties take the blame. There is no argument against it.

 

[MovieBob]

(BTW, the two movies are linked in another interesting way, as Kelly Brook once dated Jason Statham for awhile. Think that one over.)

I did NOT know that. Kinda makes a little more sense that that dude's got that kind of endurance/flexibility dynamic going on...

It's kinda like when you see Vincent Cassel doing that "this one's for the ladies" yoga business in "Ocean's 12" and it's like "Huh. I didn't expect that was in this particular actor's skill-set." Then you remember, "Oh, right. That's Mr. Monica Bellucci, he'd better be able to do that..."

 

[Master Chibi]

Oh man, I think it's pretty funny how offended some people are in this thread.

More so that they threatening Bob on account of it.

Ah well~

 

[TWEWER]

Let's just hope that Alexandre Aja makes that Space Adventure Cobra movie.

 

[Michael Jaynes]

Also, I just re-watched the Expendables review, and I'm shocked by the outrage everybody expressed, as the "insults" aren't even that extreme or frequent - the "worst sort of person" remark was made against an imagined person who truly believes that action movies were better before fight scenes were well-choreographed or included women. I assume that 90% of the people who got so angry last week don't fall into that category.

Calling people who saw the movie sheep is a lame insult, but not a terribly harsh one, either. Jeez. Anyway, I'll quit trying to understand the sentiment and continue to appreciate Bob's reviews.

 

[Pipotchi]

Well seeing as how he spent half of this review taking a shot at those people it wouldnt be the internet if they just let it lie

For my part, Expendables was average at best granted, but as others have pointed out don't insult your readers purely for their taste. Espicially when you hold up Piranha 3D as the counterpoint, and I love tits in a movie as much as the next guy.

Also I saw Centurian over a week ago and there is some great action in there but the chracterisation leaves a lot to be desired, although Dominic West channels Jimmy Mcnulty very well, "dont fuck with the ninth" indeed.

It would be a stretch to even call this video a review for Centurian as all you say is the directors previous films are good and it has Michael Fassbender in it, Hardly Exhaustive

And two wrongs have always made a right, right?

He's no good for bringing it up again and you're no good for continuing to hold the grudge. So he insulted you, who the fuck cares? People insult other people daily. This is life. Get over it.

Uh did you even read my post? I make no mention of holding a grudge, I merely pointed out that people were going to reply in kind as thats what people do, then expressed an opinion regarding the current debate

I then went on to talk about this weeks review and why I thought it could use more detail, I dont care about the expendables or wherever he likes it or not. All I wanted was more meat on the bones about the movie he was talking about this week

I apologize, I should have only quoted the first part of your post. You know, the one that says that people are going to comment no matter what. My fault.

No worries, you are correct in saying people should let it lie, both the comments and Bob himself. carrying on the debate is unlikely to add anything of value at this stage.

 

[Hobonicus]

What I don't get about this whole discussion is why people are offended that Bob, a movie critic, insulted them for liking a certain movie that he thinks is bad. Go out and read some negative reviews of Scott Pilgrim, and you'll hear all sorts of disparaging comments about the "audience it was intended for" and how out of touch they are, ADD-prone, etc, etc. Nobody gets mad at Yahtzee (who is ostensibly a game reviewer) for constantly insulting his viewers and those that like bad games, which he does in almost every video he has posted.

I guess really the point is that I don't see why every single person who was butthurt by MovieBob calling them out felt it necessary to post "I'm not going to respect your opinion or watch your videos anymore because you INSULTED ME". If you feel that way, great. Stop watching his videos, and leave his threads open for discussions by those who still appreciate his reviews.

That being sad, I got dragged to Pirahna the other night and found myself enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. It was only 90 minutes long, the bloody massacre money shot was great, and there was a lot of really stupid humor that was enjoyable. Having not seen the original film, I didn't realize that the tone of that film and this remake is extremely tongue-in-cheek, all of which were why I liked it, not the tits. Also, Ving Rhames.

Any of those other critics who ignore a movie's substance while narrow-minded and hypocritically insulting the target audience deserve the same treatment Bob is getting, but this is a comments section for his review. It's not necessarily that we were offended, it's Bob's behavior, not our reactions to it that is bothersome. I probably won't watch any more reviews not because i felt insulted, but because in doing so he made it clear that he's not worth the time.

The reason Yahtzee doesn't get the same flak is because he isn't necessarily a straight video game reviewer. His videos, while called "reviews", are more intended to be specific rants about a game's worst qualities. We aren't supposed to take his word for if it's good or bad as a whole because the point is to point out individual aspects of the games in a humorous manner. It's usually funny, intelligent, and clever. Movie Bob is supposed to review movies, so it's different than Yahtzee

 

[JIst00]

Why the fuck are people still bitching about the Expendables review? He was bang on the mark, the movie was UTTER SHITE. And this is from a massive action film fan. It sucked the Stalins putrid balls. The action scenes were shockingly bad, the story was shockingly bad, Commando had a better storyline, and thats saying something. The problem the expendables had was that it took itself FAR to seriously, while trying to smirk and say "duh, we're just having fun!" whent hey blatantly WERE NOT.

I was sold on Piranah anyway, the guy from Jaws, Ving, wasshisface from Back to the Future, and yes indeedy Kelly Brook is fucking gorgeous.

As for centurion, also sold, the Marshall has delivered in the past and I have no doubt he does here, plus I like the plot device, the 9th legion story is cool, and yeah it unfortunately it shows that superiorty does not always mean victory. Also reminds me of The Warriors, tho that was based Xenophon's "Anabasis". The whole being cut off behind enemy lines thing.

Cant wait to see both movies.

 

[FeathersMcgraw]

Both parties are at fault and both parties take the blame. There is no argument against it.

Both parties? Is it peoples fault for asking why he insulted them because his precious SP? If he thought the movie was bad then I wouldent have judged him, in fact I will admit it is bad, but he should have gave reasons for why it was bad instead of just tossing out insults, swearing and crying over SP. If bob let it go himself he wouldent have mentioned it again in this review.

 

[Axolotl]

Why the fuck are people still bitching about the Expendables review?

Because believe it or not being described as "probably just the worst sort of person" offends some people. And then when he opens this weeks review by strawmanning the criticism of his last one, that just offends people even more.

 

[Outcast107]

PS: Nudity really does make ANY movie better , deny it all you want, you prudes.....

No it doesn't..Most of the movies that have nudity in it have it at stupid points of the movies that doesn't make any sense at all. Its like they just threw it in to have that "one awesome scene" that no one cares about but pervs. I don't care if nudity in the movie, but most of the time its just stupid. Deny it all you want but you're a perv.

 

[Cowabungaa]

I still don't want to watch Piranha 3D. Saw that cute girl in the inflatable ring who got bitten in the ass (and I doubt it stays at a little nibble)? Yeah, that's why I won't watch it.

I just cannot stánd watching cute girls die horrible deaths. Yes I know it's chauvinistic and ridiculous, but I'm okay with guys being murdered horribly and mildly alright with not-so-cute girls being killed, but the cute ones make me feel all squeemish and sad when they die, especially when they die creatively and very very gory, as no doubt happens a lot in Piranha 3D. I'm a lot like Harry Dresden in many ways, that's one of them.

That said, this review has however piqued my interest for Centurion. Now here's to hoping that it actually plays in my local cinema.

That said, yes The Expendables was bad, but I still enjoyed it. Some of the action scenes were pretty awesome, some explosions were pretty awesome (far from all of them) and I delightfully groaned at some of the utter tripe that had to pass for dialogue. Mickey Rourke crying...good góds I nearly pissed myself.