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When I saw what he was reviewing, I was all "Oh I can't wait to hear him tear the S**t out of this thing. By the time he was done I had this massive grin on my stupid face.
Yeah, it's a shame about Diesel and The Rock. I really like Riddick, and I enjoyed The Scorpion King and Doom for what those movies were worth... I could totally see both of these guys in a Conan sequel with Jason Momoa, though arguably Diesel works better in SciFi I think.
Shame they both weren't the next Schwarzenegger, that would be awesome.
Shame they both weren't the next Schwarzenegger, that would be awesome.
I'm sorry to disagree but in an age of angry reviewing and such you forget that reviewers are meant to be impartial and judge a piece of work on it's own, they can use comparisons to past work etc but that should not affect the score of the product they are reviewing. They can bring predujices of course they are only human but they should not wear them on their sleve like Bob does it makes them seem unprofesional and biased.mojodamm said:
Also I heavily disagree that he said anything that was wrong with this particular film, all I heard was him ragging on the franchise. Only once did he use an example from this film refering to a fight which he bashed because people may enjoy a Vin/Rock fight not judging it on how it was filmed or the choreography and so on. He may of mentioned others but it was so drowned out by him insulting the films audience (which includes me) that any possible well made point became moot.
To list all of those movies as "better" than the original F+F means that you are reaaaallllyyy letting your hang ups over certain groups in society affect your judgement.
I don't mean to say that those movies were all bad, or that F+F was great, but it was definitely better than a whole load of those examples.
As for this film, well, I disagree with a lot of your opinions, so colour me intrigued. Although if the middle bit of this really is that braindead Hollywood traditions of spouting off about honour and integrity and suchlike, that would put me off.
Also, anyone care to explain to me what "import car" is? If it's simply a car that's non-US made, then I'm surprised there aren't more over there anyway, US cars are among the worst in the world. Also, wouldn't that make a Prius an "import car"?
EDIT: Also, Vin Diesel deserves better than he got. Always seemed like a stand up guy to me...
EDIT 2: Toque was good though, I agree. Monster Magnet were in it, therefore it's great
I don't mean to say that those movies were all bad, or that F+F was great, but it was definitely better than a whole load of those examples.
As for this film, well, I disagree with a lot of your opinions, so colour me intrigued. Although if the middle bit of this really is that braindead Hollywood traditions of spouting off about honour and integrity and suchlike, that would put me off.
Also, anyone care to explain to me what "import car" is? If it's simply a car that's non-US made, then I'm surprised there aren't more over there anyway, US cars are among the worst in the world. Also, wouldn't that make a Prius an "import car"?
EDIT: Also, Vin Diesel deserves better than he got. Always seemed like a stand up guy to me...
EDIT 2: Toque was good though, I agree. Monster Magnet were in it, therefore it's great
Ummm... I fail to see how being excited to see The Rock and Vin Diesel fight makes a person any more juvenile than being excited about Piranha 3D because "d00d it hases bewbz and blood and naked chickx and blood and gore and gurrls makin out and blood", like you said at the end of some review I can't remember right now.
Oh, and I saw Rango. Unlike Bob said, it was pure 100% badassery and awesomeness from start to finish.
Oh, and I saw Rango. Unlike Bob said, it was pure 100% badassery and awesomeness from start to finish.
I am going to see this movie because Vin Diesel and Dwayne Johnson have a fight, thats pretty much it.
Awww, come on Bob, Dwayne and Vin are great, i friekin' love them, they're kind of like the lovable children of action movies, they're instantly likeable in whatever movie they're in, they're like big, cuddly teddy bears.
Also, this is just dumb, thoughtless, fun action.
Stupid people like me who don't sip fine wines in their study while writing memoirs enjoy this kind of thing in moderation.
Get some friends over, some snacks and drinks, and laugh your ass off at the bad acting.
Also, this is just dumb, thoughtless, fun action.
Stupid people like me who don't sip fine wines in their study while writing memoirs enjoy this kind of thing in moderation.
Get some friends over, some snacks and drinks, and laugh your ass off at the bad acting.
Yargh! Movie Bob offended me by saying what I like is crap!
Sorry, I was trying to participate in the flame war. I saw the first one as a teenager and thought Paul Walker was a poor man's Keanu Reeves (I'm not spell checking that). Other than that I haven't seen the appeal of these films.
I saw Cars as a 20 something, but in my greatest moment of shame, went to see it while quite intoxicated. The theatre was surprisingly empty (which says a lot), so we (two companions) certainly did not draw the attention of families. I can say that with certainty because we unanimously fell asleep at the beginning of the movie.
I vaguely recall a tramp stamp joke, a free bird joke and the Cable Guy's voice. These moments came and went as my brain ventured in an out of slumber.
In conclusion, I have no intention of watching Cars 2 and I believe even Pixar can tell forgettable stories.
Oh, and here's one for a flame war: I thought 13 Assassins was disappointing. That's totally based on my expectations, I know. For some reason I just didn't think there were really any of those moments that stick with you (like the tramp stamp joke... sarcasm). For example, the ending scene to Sanjuro or even the scene in Samurai Assassin where Mifune takes out 3 swordsmen at close quarters... shown here at 1:28. If you get the chance, watch the scene in slow motion, it's f*cking awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G31nnS7J0bg
Sorry, I was trying to participate in the flame war. I saw the first one as a teenager and thought Paul Walker was a poor man's Keanu Reeves (I'm not spell checking that). Other than that I haven't seen the appeal of these films.
I saw Cars as a 20 something, but in my greatest moment of shame, went to see it while quite intoxicated. The theatre was surprisingly empty (which says a lot), so we (two companions) certainly did not draw the attention of families. I can say that with certainty because we unanimously fell asleep at the beginning of the movie.
I vaguely recall a tramp stamp joke, a free bird joke and the Cable Guy's voice. These moments came and went as my brain ventured in an out of slumber.
In conclusion, I have no intention of watching Cars 2 and I believe even Pixar can tell forgettable stories.
Oh, and here's one for a flame war: I thought 13 Assassins was disappointing. That's totally based on my expectations, I know. For some reason I just didn't think there were really any of those moments that stick with you (like the tramp stamp joke... sarcasm). For example, the ending scene to Sanjuro or even the scene in Samurai Assassin where Mifune takes out 3 swordsmen at close quarters... shown here at 1:28. If you get the chance, watch the scene in slow motion, it's f*cking awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G31nnS7J0bg
I f'n loved that movie. I won't say it's the BEST ever, but it was entirely entertaining for me.
And The Rock was amazing in it.
I liked the Edward Norton rooftop scene as well, but I did think Fast 5 got it better.
And The Rock was amazing in it.
I liked the Edward Norton rooftop scene as well, but I did think Fast 5 got it better.
I'm your general nerd, got bullied, etc. Me and Bob have a lot of things in common. But I like Vin Diesel and I like some (but not all) of this particular franchise. Why does this make me a douchebag?
I think what most people are missing something when they're trying to say "It's just his opinion!"
The thing that makes Yahtzee so great is he makes fun of the game, not the players or the demographic (generally). I haven't liked Bob's last couple of videos because he keeps insulting people who like something. That is not the best way to go about things.
He can be negative all he wants - just keep the insults to the movie, directly.
The taste of hypocrisy is wonderful, isn't it?bartholen said:
I think what most people are missing something when they're trying to say "It's just his opinion!"
The thing that makes Yahtzee so great is he makes fun of the game, not the players or the demographic (generally). I haven't liked Bob's last couple of videos because he keeps insulting people who like something. That is not the best way to go about things.
He can be negative all he wants - just keep the insults to the movie, directly.
Hey Hey Hey, I like Jason Statham because retarded action movies are my thing. Also Vin Diesel is a cool guy and it makes me sad that he has slipped into nothingness man that is depressing. Also let me reiterate Jason Statham is awesome at what he does and what he does is make action movies that appease people like me that want to see mindless movies. He is also good at diving but that I care significantly less about.
Edit: Also I'm not a douche-bag for watching these movies I watch them for enjoyment and not because I lucked out and got a job where I sit on my ass and watch a movie a week and then judge others an the movies they watch.
Edit: Also I'm not a douche-bag for watching these movies I watch them for enjoyment and not because I lucked out and got a job where I sit on my ass and watch a movie a week and then judge others an the movies they watch.
Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I actually really liked what they were doing with the special effects, going for obvious unreality instead of pseudo-realism, and the directing served the whole thing very well, never letting the any sequence overstay its welcome. The acting isn't bad, the actors just aren't playing the understated, trying-to-be-realistic characters which dominate modern cinema (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's an improvement on a lot of shit from the '70s), they're playing blatantly absurd characters from a terrible cartoon in an utterly ridiculous world and they did an excellent job at that. It's not a movie that appeals to a lot of people, but if you're in to the kind of thing it's doing then it's probably the best movie of its kind. For everyone else, it's a really good movie to get a bunch of friends together and make fun of (people who un-ironically love it also do this).Nautical Honors Society said:
Also, how am I "foiling" myself by saying that it did poorly because it is the exact opposite of everything that is popular at the moment, both with general audiences and critics.
I don't see why people are getting so worked up about Bob's obvious dislike towards this movie. If You don't share the same tastes as Bob, then find a rcritic who does...isn't that the idea?
I'll be honest, it seems to me that as time goes on a lot of the guys doing videos for The Escapist tend to be agressively turning them into rant and attack pieces, rather than focusing on geek culture.
I am unsure if it's because of Yahtzee's enduring popularity, when he's famous because due to being "offensive", because they have gotten arrogant due to the increasing exposure and attention "The Escapist" itself is getting, or what.
To be honest, I did doubtlessly misinterpet his target a bit, but I was still fairly surprised to notice Shamus calling people idiots in a professionaly produced column. While Bob has his moments of normality, it seems with increasing frequency he seems to be going after the audience and sharing his opinion on various groups of people, rather than focusing on the movies themselves and the actors within them. I'd point a finger at his criticisms of the people who would like a movie like "The Expendables", and the demographic he believes Vin Diesel appealed to in the first "Fast And The Furious" movie. Not to mention the commentary about the treatment of Brazil, presumably because it's a backwards country being treated as a backwards country which isn't politically correct nowadays. I point to things like the old Escapist article "Nation Of Pirates" which went into video game piracy in Brazil, how it's tied to organuized crime, and how powerful organized crime is in that nation, operating overtly enough where criminal syndicates go so far as to buy and operate their own shopping malls. While action movies are always an exagerration, running into crime syndicates that virtually run the country and operate fairly openly with powe over the society itself doesn't exactly strike me as being totally out of line or offensive in characterization.
If I had to pick a point where I think "The Escapist" started to have problems, I'd probably go back to "Just Cause 2" a while back, with the comments in a published review about how refreshing it was to have a non-white hero, and involving a crack about how slow the Black Market mechanics were "but then again, it's not rhe white market". I can't say that was the tipping point, and it's been gradual, but it seems that since then I've noticed that all of the writers want to be edgy by occasionally pushing buttons for what is probably no other reason than pushing buttons.
Could Bob has expressed the same sentiments in another, less offensive fashion? Could Shamus have conveyed the essence of his point about thinking it's stupid to metabomb a game over DLC, without using the term "idiot" even if that's what he thought? I think they could have, and I think it's a sign of professionalism. As time goes on, I think The Escapist is gradually being morphed into a sort of network of personality cults more than anything.
... and yes, the irony of me saying this with some of the things I say and the way I say them is not lost on me. But then again, I'm also not being given my own feature that I'm being paid for. I'm a user, and not affiliated with the site itself even if some people have told me I'm more famous than I give myself credit for. If I ever WAS paid by someone to write professionally (unlikely with my english skills) I'd wind up saying a lot of things differantly.
It's sort of like how when I was in security, I might tell my boss/co-workers how I shut off some drunken dirtbag who was harassing a waitress, and how they might want to keep an eye on him because it seems like he's such an obsessive gambler that he at some point dropped a load in his pants and stinks like his own feces, and consider walking him off the floor if he doesn't stagger off on his own or go back to gambling (money is all important) by way of a heads up. In my report for the incident however which is on file, and to be professionally presented, I am not going to use terms like "dirtbag" and elaboration about the condition he was in that is possibly relevent to the job is not going to be included, unless I am ALSO responsible for walking him off the floor later, then it would be in THAT report and would state it in a professional fashion, intended to not be offensive or judgemental, because that reflects on the casino if someone checks those records for something like a court case.
I am unsure if it's because of Yahtzee's enduring popularity, when he's famous because due to being "offensive", because they have gotten arrogant due to the increasing exposure and attention "The Escapist" itself is getting, or what.
To be honest, I did doubtlessly misinterpet his target a bit, but I was still fairly surprised to notice Shamus calling people idiots in a professionaly produced column. While Bob has his moments of normality, it seems with increasing frequency he seems to be going after the audience and sharing his opinion on various groups of people, rather than focusing on the movies themselves and the actors within them. I'd point a finger at his criticisms of the people who would like a movie like "The Expendables", and the demographic he believes Vin Diesel appealed to in the first "Fast And The Furious" movie. Not to mention the commentary about the treatment of Brazil, presumably because it's a backwards country being treated as a backwards country which isn't politically correct nowadays. I point to things like the old Escapist article "Nation Of Pirates" which went into video game piracy in Brazil, how it's tied to organuized crime, and how powerful organized crime is in that nation, operating overtly enough where criminal syndicates go so far as to buy and operate their own shopping malls. While action movies are always an exagerration, running into crime syndicates that virtually run the country and operate fairly openly with powe over the society itself doesn't exactly strike me as being totally out of line or offensive in characterization.
If I had to pick a point where I think "The Escapist" started to have problems, I'd probably go back to "Just Cause 2" a while back, with the comments in a published review about how refreshing it was to have a non-white hero, and involving a crack about how slow the Black Market mechanics were "but then again, it's not rhe white market". I can't say that was the tipping point, and it's been gradual, but it seems that since then I've noticed that all of the writers want to be edgy by occasionally pushing buttons for what is probably no other reason than pushing buttons.
Could Bob has expressed the same sentiments in another, less offensive fashion? Could Shamus have conveyed the essence of his point about thinking it's stupid to metabomb a game over DLC, without using the term "idiot" even if that's what he thought? I think they could have, and I think it's a sign of professionalism. As time goes on, I think The Escapist is gradually being morphed into a sort of network of personality cults more than anything.
... and yes, the irony of me saying this with some of the things I say and the way I say them is not lost on me. But then again, I'm also not being given my own feature that I'm being paid for. I'm a user, and not affiliated with the site itself even if some people have told me I'm more famous than I give myself credit for. If I ever WAS paid by someone to write professionally (unlikely with my english skills) I'd wind up saying a lot of things differantly.
It's sort of like how when I was in security, I might tell my boss/co-workers how I shut off some drunken dirtbag who was harassing a waitress, and how they might want to keep an eye on him because it seems like he's such an obsessive gambler that he at some point dropped a load in his pants and stinks like his own feces, and consider walking him off the floor if he doesn't stagger off on his own or go back to gambling (money is all important) by way of a heads up. In my report for the incident however which is on file, and to be professionally presented, I am not going to use terms like "dirtbag" and elaboration about the condition he was in that is possibly relevent to the job is not going to be included, unless I am ALSO responsible for walking him off the floor later, then it would be in THAT report and would state it in a professional fashion, intended to not be offensive or judgemental, because that reflects on the casino if someone checks those records for something like a court case.
