Escape to the Movies: Red Riding Hood

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ProjectTrinity

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RJ Dalton said:
ProjectTrinity said:
I couldn't quite figure out if I agreed with you completely or disagreed vehemently. If possible, could you expand on said elitism? Not trying for snark; genuinely curious.
I'm a lit studies major, so my general opinion of academic elitism comes from my experiences in that field. Basically, the academic community has the really narrow definition of what is and isn't literature. For example, anything that you could easily attach a genre to - like mystery, fantasy, or science fiction - goes right out without any consideration. As if that wasn't enough, a lot of them start throwing out things that use anything vaguely resembling a formula to such an extent that if it isn't a character centered story about people who do absolutely nothing but discuss current political and social issues, it can't be considered real literature. The worst of them go so far as to throw out things that make any sense and will only consider the stuff by people like T.S. Eliot, James Joyce and Henry "I don't know the first thing about motherfucking good sentence structure" James as worthy of reading. While at least the first two had a few good works that I did enjoy, my disagreement is that not all art has to imitate that to be art.
My question is this: Why can't fantasy and science fiction have the same literary merit as Victor Hugo, or Charles Dickens? I ask this question expecting those I ask to set aside whether or not they actually think any of what's currently out there is and just consider why it can't? Or how about children's work? Why does writing for children automatically mean that your work can't be as good as stuff meant for older audiences? Or, like the case of this review, why must we assume a supernatural romance aimed at teenage girls automatically has to be as bad as Twilight?
The simple answer I give to these questions is there is no reason why it should be so and I argue that we really have to stop thinking like that because it's hurting art.
Think for a second about how many people on this site actually argue vehemently that video games shouldn't be considered art because when you say art, they think that art has to be, as the Extra Credits crew so wonderfully said, a "French arthouse" production. The pretension and elitism of the academic community hurting the evolution of art and storytelling by insulting and talking down to the "average person" for not being able to see the "brilliance" of what it chooses to hold up and the reaction of most people to this insult is to shun anything that even remotely approaches that definition, despite the fact that a lot of what the academics hold up can make for good storytelling and artistic elements when done properly.
So that's what I mean.
Ah, thank you for taking the time to give a detailed answer. I was kind of originally reading your first post as "If you're x-amount of picky, you're being a jerk of an elitist" or something to that effect.

But you're *really* talking about the tools of literature - so we're on the same page and therefore I agree.
 

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Ladyhawke mixed with Sleep Hollow with the camp of Flash Gordon and 300 and ability to keep you watching like Speed Racer :eek:

I am so fricking there! I want to see it now actually, and I won't be dragging myself depressingly there when mom and I see it.

I was seeing it for Oldman anyways, but HELL YEAH am I there D:

This might beat Drive Angry 3D as my favorite movie of the year so far actually XD



Also thanks for fixing the composer credit and even mentioning Lady Hawke :3

Just wanted to add that 300 isn't just a flick for men, it's also a chick Flick. I knew tons of Girls and adult women who went to see it with their grilfriends just to see Half naked muscle men destroying other men in slow motion.

That's the things about Boy films... they have fanservice for BOTH genders usually.
 

SelectivelyEvil13

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RJ Dalton said:
I'm a lit studies major, so my general opinion of academic elitism comes from my experiences in that field. Basically, the academic community has the really narrow definition of what is and isn't literature. For example, anything that you could easily attach a genre to - like mystery, fantasy, or science fiction - goes right out without any consideration. As if that wasn't enough, a lot of them start throwing out things that use anything vaguely resembling a formula to such an extent that if it isn't a character centered story about people who do absolutely nothing but discuss current political and social issues, it can't be considered real literature. The worst of them go so far as to throw out things that make any sense and will only consider the stuff by people like T.S. Eliot, James Joyce and Henry "I don't know the first thing about motherfucking good sentence structure" James as worthy of reading. While at least the first two had a few good works that I did enjoy, my disagreement is that not all art has to imitate that to be art.
My question is this: Why can't fantasy and science fiction have the same literary merit as Victor Hugo, or Charles Dickens? I ask this question expecting those I ask to set aside whether or not they actually think any of what's currently out there is and just consider why it can't? Or how about children's work? Why does writing for children automatically mean that your work can't be as good as stuff meant for older audiences? Or, like the case of this review, why must we assume a supernatural romance aimed at teenage girls automatically has to be as bad as Twilight?
The simple answer I give to these questions is there is no reason why it should be so and I argue that we really have to stop thinking like that because it's hurting art.
Think for a second about how many people on this site actually argue vehemently that video games shouldn't be considered art because when you say art, they think that art has to be, as the Extra Credits crew so wonderfully said, a "French arthouse" production. The pretension and elitism of the academic community hurting the evolution of art and storytelling by insulting and talking down to the "average person" for not being able to see the "brilliance" of what it chooses to hold up and the reaction of most people to this insult is to shun anything that even remotely approaches that definition, despite the fact that a lot of what the academics hold up can make for good storytelling and artistic elements when done properly.
So that's what I mean.
Excellently stated. I am not a literature major by any qualification, but as someone who simply enjoys a lot of the types of writing that does not enter consideration for true "literature," I find such thinking to be provincial and condescending. When academia claims its throne of the intelligentsia, it also does lay claim to what is and is not accepted. But as you point out, the problem is that now so many works are cut down, given less credit than possibly due, and imagination ultimately suffers.

If we are all truly unique, why does the field of literature suddenly become a facet that has to be universally accepted amongst all people? I absolutely concur that art cannot be held to such a standard of imitating the status quo that is made exclusively by one way of thinking. Not only would I say that such an outlook is elitist, but it is also very archaic and surprisingly benighted. Culture and society evolve, as do accepted norms and a great many elements of everyday life, so why should literary art stagnate and collect dust to appease a dated appeal? Broadening perspectives on what constitutes as literature can only encourage more creativity in branching genres, thus resulting in better writing for us all to enjoy.

Twilight should not be the film that sets the "teenage girl/fantasy romance" standard or that genre has already castrated itself.

Personally, I find Red Riding Hood to be refreshing in that it does take a new direction from the looks of things, and it is not a reboot from a movie that is barely a decade old or a rehashed sequel. If I am not mistaken, there are going to be three, count 'em, three Snow White movies coming up, so RRH is looking pretty damn spectacular if monotony is to be also considered.
 

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TraumaHound said:
So...sounds like a rental, but a *strong* rental. I'm saving my movie-going bucks for "Sucker Punch", anyway.

I will say, I was hoping for a review of "Battle: L.A." or "The Adjustment Bureau".
I am not MovieBob, but just for the sake of people coming here about Battle: LA. Saw it tonight, I thought it was pretty good. No earth shattering, but good effects, acting and the such. Worth the money in my opinion.
 

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Well, since we can't get an official review, I'll just let everybody know that Battle: LA is good. Not amazing or earth-shattering, but good. Deffinately worth seeing.
 

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Apparently I've been mistaken on the definition of "Camp" for a number of years. :l

Considering the review this movie still doesn't seem like something I'd like, then again being an 18-20 year-old male I'm not exactly the target audience. I did like Sleepy Hollow though, if it's similar enough to that I might enjoy it once.
 

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This movie was horrible. When he says its pretty good compared to twilight. That is like compareing two different turds you've been forced to eat. well twilight was fresh and squishy and still smelled bad , but red riding hood was dryer from sitting out in the sun for awhile so its not that bad.
DO NOT WATCH THIS DRIED UP TURD OF A MOVIE.
 

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Wow. Just... wow. Did not see THAT coming at ALL. I expected Bob to savagely eviscerate this movie with all the bile he reserves for Twilight, but the idea that the film might get by as high-energy camp simply didn't occur to me.

I mean, I still wouldn't SEE it even if you held a gun to my head but it just goes to show, you never know.
lowkey_jotunn said:
If you drop an egg, and it breaks... that's a bad movie.
If you throw the egg into the ground, just to see it go SPLAT... that's camp.
Wow. That is a genuinely brilliant analogy. I'll have to remember that one.
 

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I'll definitely check this out for a rental on Netflix, if it's a 'good' guilty pleasure movie (And I find often a lot of these campy films are) in the way say Code Geass was a good guilty pleasure anime or V is a good guilty pleasure sci-fi show, I think I could enjoy it.

Still, much like how I was hoping for an Adjustment Bureau review last week, I was hoping for a Battle: LA review here. Ah well, no harm, still was a good vidya.
 

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Suprising......but this isnt nearly enough to get me to watch it. It can have the prettiest cinematography in the world but its still a boring dog turd.
 

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G1eet said:
Awh, man, I was hoping for a review of Battle: LA.
This. Other than
A) His childish crush on Amanda and
B) His absolute LOVE for anything that has a subtext of "Teenagers should fuck as much as possible, especially girls."

I can't imagine why he would review this instead.

Someone is REALLY angry that he didn't get laid more prior to turning 18.
 

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bahumat42 said:
Darkhill said:
I like over-the-top movies, anyone got a master list of all the good campy films?
big trouble in little china
escape from new york

Are the two ones which spring immediately to my mind.
Ah, hell all of the first half of John Carpenter's career.
 

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My interest in this one started when I found out Michael Shanks had a role in it and died when I found out he was pretty much a glorified extra.
My interest in this movie started when you began your sentence and died by the time you ended it.
 

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Renardeau said:
Baradiel said:
Its nice to see Bob's moved past his lowpoint.
Can you explain? The few reviews I've seen go like this: "The movie is bad, not putrid. X, Y and Z suck about it. You should go see it, it's kinda good."

I like Yahtzee though, that guy rules. :)
The last few "reviews" just seemed like a bitching session. Thats all.
 

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Hatchet90 said:
Well, there goes another bit of respect for you Bob. After hating on the King's Speech for being Oscar bait. You call this movie great for being terrible? It's because Amanda Seyfried is in it, isn't it Bob?
..Great for being terrible? Where'd you get that from? He said it was decent. He also said it was camp, if that's what you mean, but that doesn't necesarily mean bad.
 

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No shit! It was Hans Zimmer for Rango? Well now I HAVE to see it. The musician/digital artist in me would kill me if I didn't.

G1eet said:
Awh, man, I was hoping for a review of Battle: LA.
I found <a href=http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110309/REVIEWS/110309992>this one to be refreshingly complimentary to my original impression from the trailers. Basically, just another alien movie. If anything, it sounds a lot like "Skyline", and we all remember how 'awesome' THAT turned out to be.
Hatchet90 said:
Well, there goes another bit of respect for you Bob. After hating on the King's Speech for being Oscar bait. You call this movie great for being terrible? It's because Amanda Seyfried is in it, isn't it Bob?
In comparison to Twilight, basically the only other film in the genre at this point? Hell yeah!
Also, <a href=http://thefastertimes.com/flavorwire/files/2010/03/amanda-seyfried.jpg>Amanda <a href=http://www.timepasspics.com/wallpapers/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Hot-Sexy-Amanda-Seyfried.jpg>Seyfried. C'mon now.
 

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AssassinJoe said:
johnman said:
AssassinJoe said:
Say what you will MovieBob, I still refuse to see such a stupid premise.

I mean seriously, Little Red Riding Hood? C'mon!
I dont see whats so bad about Red riding hood, its a story thats been around for donkeys years. Rather Red riding hood than Yogi bear or the fucking Smurfs
Ok, ya got me with the Smurfs, but still, why do they have to make Red Riding Hood a Twilight style love story?
Because thats what sells. Its target audience is teens and pre teen girls and Twilight is massivley popular with that demographic. The framework already exists within the basic LRRH story, its just been expanded for the big screen