Escape to the Movies: The Hangover 2

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ThrobbingEgo

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Spot1990 said:
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Spot1990 said:
Do you have to apply to become the moral arbiter of society or can anyone who's easily offended get the job?
Moral arbiter of society? Movie Bob's not a censor. He's posting a review. He has a platform to speak on, and he's contributing to a dialog. If you disagree with him, why not make a video reply? Or write an essay. Or wank your frustration away in a forum post.

Read books, they're good for you.
Way to take a bit of rhetoric too seriously.
The cosmic ballet goes on...
 
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Tim_Buoy said:
i saw it and it was a cash grab but i still enjoyed it oh and i didnt think the transexual scene was as bad as you made it out to be
this, just about like every other movie he reviews where..i don't know what he is expecting when he walks into these movies, but obviously alot more than I do



Off topic: is there any single person out there that you don't define as a douche or being douchey or a douche for liking something? I swear i see or hear it in every single one of your reviews to the point I have probably been tallied up for a total of 20 douches so far for liking the movies in modern cinema, just based on that fact alone.
 

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Off Topic, but am I the only one that is incredibly creeped out by the graphic on the front page D:

OT: Pretty much knew this would be it, but Bob, did you just not laugh at the tranny scene because it was politically incorrect even if it was funny, seems a bit stupid in my opinion? Can jokes only be poked at straight white males without it being considered politically correct anymore?
 

Vrex360

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Okay, the opening to this video was hilarious. Kudos Bob, kudos.

As for everything else, well I have to say I agree with you here. 100%.

Especially props to that whole bit about transexuals because frankly I think it really needs to be said that transexuals are real people in the real world with real feelings. This stuff does happen and it does exist and to me, continuing the try to use the 'woah man that's so gross and wrong' mindset for the sake of jokes is just offensive and insulting.
Like you said, it's 2011, we've just seen a whole decade pass and we have entered a new one. So maybe it is time to grow up, and acknowledge that the world has changed.

Like I've said a couple of times lately, I've seen a lot of cruddy and offensive schlock that is insensitive and downright bigotted get away with the label 'it's just a joke' and frankly I'm getting sick of it. I'm glad to see at least one person agrees.

In any case Bob, great review and I might consider seeing the first one someday but in the meantime I think I'll just stick with 'Water for Elephants'.

(By the way I'm seeing that movie for my fandom of Reese Witherspoon, not Robert Pattinson)
 

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This stuff does happen and it does exist and to me, continuing the try to use the 'woah man that's so gross and wrong' mindset for the sake of jokes is just offensive and insulting.
I'm assuming you didn't actually see the movie. Bob's just grasping at straws to be high-brow about the whole transsexual thing. Which can't really be discussed in detail without spoiling the actual scene so... you've been warned.

The group's reactions wasn't about the fact that one of the strippers was a transsexual, the reaction was the fact that while blackout drunk, the character who is going to get married tomorrow had sex with this character and was horrified at the realization that it happened. Hell, in the US, sexually taking advantage of someone who is that inebriated is considered RAPE. It was played for laughs ENTIRELY against the male character being horrified of what happened to him that he can't remember, and also the realization that he has clearly cheated on his fiancée, who I'll reiterate, he is getting married to tomorrow.

Hell, if the main character was female, this would have been a brutal dark and twisted scene, whereas for the dude it's just played for laughs.

The movie wasn't great but I can certainly think of worse ways to spend $7, and we should probably save our outrage for things that are actually offensive.
 

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Its a movie about a bunch of actors playing idiots in idiotic situations. I'm sorry but you went into the movie with high expectations if you expected anything tasteful.

Also I'd be pretty horrified/disgusted and angry if I (a straight person) had heavily inebriated sex with another man.
 

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Okay, so once again, going to disagree ...

Hangover was an awesome comedy one of the best in recent years - and even if this one isn't that sort of VERY funny - just funny - I am still going to see it and probably enjoy it. Your recent reviews made sure that we don't share a common taste, and that isn't really a problem.

My problem is, I see you recommending that Brides Maids movie everywhere - I saw it's trailer not long ago for the first time at the movies - and I was totally like - what is this? I don't get how this is funny - it looks like a comedy but when a trailer for it, can't get one laugh out of me, that's just lame. The whole point of a trailer should be to at least hint at - if not show a few - of the good jokes that are going to be in that particular film ... maybe it's just me, but it made me want to not see it - maybe in 10 years when nothing better will be on TV. But maybe then I will rather just put in a DVD.
 

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I went and saw this on Saturday and I didn't think it was that bad. I wasn't expecting much going into it, so that probably helped a lot. There were enough lol scenes to make it worthwhile despite the almost copy-pasted script. I honestly think Moviebob is making too big a deal over the transsexual scene. The shock of the scene is finding out what happened to the character, not the transsexual walking around. Personally, I think most people are upset with the scene for their own insecurities. In short, this movie was okay, and a good mindless laugh or two. Wait to rent it if you can, or just don't expect a lot when you go to the theater.
 

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I like your reviews but please no more of the storytime segment. It was two and a half minutes of nothing but hate, rather than being a review of the movie. Granted you said there wasn't much to talk about with this movie, but that segment isn't going to make points when i send a friend over to your review to see what you think about the movie, and their opening to your reviews is that bit.
 

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I don't honestly believe they could actually have done anything with this to make it more appealing/better than the first one, especially since they used the same plot structure. The jokes are different, sure, and some of them might be funnier, but does that cancel out the fact that it's the same movie with some of the details being different? It might work if you pretend it's not a sequel, but rather an alternate universe where they also did the hangover 2, but the first dude never existed and the dude that picks up the monkey, well nobody really knows where he comes from, but he just makes inappropriate animal/baby sex related jokes and blah blah blah, and that they run parallel to each other and one of them does a bit better in universe alpha, because universe alpha like originality, whilst universe beta is so bored in the atelier of random drunk people being stoopid ....wait this isn't going anywhere.

But whether it's bad or not, I know I am going to watch it. Illegally and probably whilst drunk, but yeah still going to see it.
 

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MovieBob said:
notimeforlulz said:
I actually thought about the fact that 2011 is much more enlightened time when it comes to things involving inter-sexuality a few days before watching this; when I was watching Ace Ventura, a 90s film where the main antagonist is a transsexual. From the sounds of things, they did the surprise dick gag in the worst possible way. Best possible way; Ace Ventura. Sure that's shown from the 90s point of view, so it's not exactly P.C. but the joke isn't that she's a he, the joke is that Ace made out with her/him, and so did all the police officers. LOL.
I think it's also worth noting that in "Ace," the joke has several layers - the main one being to parody the way (straight) guys "flipped out" at "The Crying Game," which was still a big topic when the first "Ace" movie came out; but also at how absurd the whole scheme is i.e. Sean Young is CLEARLY not an ex-NFL male-to-female transsexual. It still has more than a whiff of homo/trans-phobia about it, as the majority of 90s sex humor generally did, but it's an infinitely less cruel version of the gag.

The main difference, though, is that there the JOKE is Ace etc's juvenile reaction; it's played so far over the top that we're meant to laugh at how badly he's taking it (re: at him.) In "Hangover 2," the "joke" is the supposedly most-sympathetic of the heroes discovering he'd been intimate with a transsexual and having a meltdown which the framing and editing choices are visually-empathizing with; in the sense that Helms' character is cowering like he's facing down some kind of horrible creature, which the camera placement and cutting in turn project onto the other relevant player.

The scenario regards "Stu" as having been VICTIMIZED - when in fact we know he was a willing (if innebriated) participant given that his "partner" was a prostitute whose services they'd been paying for - and shows no sympathy (or even HUMANITY) to the woman in question even though the heroes are being huge assholes to her at that moment. That's the problem.
No Bob, the joke is not that Stu has been victimized by the prostitute (actually he was victimized by Doug, again). YOU decided to put that bit of social commentary in there on your own to justify your stupid liberal PC argument. The whole joke of both Hangover films is finding out about and regretting the things you do while intoxicated.

It's hilarious to me when people project their own negative stereotypes and then act disgusted by them (i.e. the definition of "bleeding-heart-liberal"). Awesome recent example is the patently RACIST insinuation that the twins in Transformers:RotF are African American because of the way they talk and are therefore a racist inclusion in that film. Protip: They are robots.

Keep failing. It's kinda funny.
 

Desert Tiger

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I think it has been read into way too much, to the point where I don't think we were watching the same movie. The whole point of that scene was the whole "one bad thing after another" side of things, bearing in mind that this is a nice, upright guy and that he's due to be married the next day. Let's review...

"Oh no, I went to a strip club"
"Oh no, I had sex with a prostitute"
"Oh no, I had sex with a transexual, and she rammed my ass"

The man's straight, so that's where the humour comes from. I don't see where the anti-homosexuality etc comes in and I didn't get the whole "acting like she's a monster" thing.

And you mentioned her not getting sympathy. Uh... sympathy for what?

Either way, I found this fun, if not exactly an award-worthy film. It was funny and it kept me watching, so it's done its job.
 

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KalosCast said:
Vrex360 said:
This stuff does happen and it does exist and to me, continuing the try to use the 'woah man that's so gross and wrong' mindset for the sake of jokes is just offensive and insulting.
I'm assuming you didn't actually see the movie. Bob's just grasping at straws to be high-brow about the whole transsexual thing. Which can't really be discussed in detail without spoiling the actual scene so... you've been warned.

The group's reactions wasn't about the fact that one of the strippers was a transsexual, the reaction was the fact that while blackout drunk, the character who is going to get married tomorrow had sex with this character and was horrified at the realization that it happened. Hell, in the US, sexually taking advantage of someone who is that inebriated is considered RAPE. It was played for laughs ENTIRELY against the male character being horrified of what happened to him that he can't remember, and also the realization that he has clearly cheated on his fiancée, who I'll reiterate, he is getting married to tomorrow.

Hell, if the main character was female, this would have been a brutal dark and twisted scene, whereas for the dude it's just played for laughs.

The movie wasn't great but I can certainly think of worse ways to spend $7, and we should probably save our outrage for things that are actually offensive.
Ah, I see. Well I hadn't seen the movie so I admit I could just be making the wrong assumption.
All the same though, I've seen many a movie make jokes about transexuals as though they are something hideous and disgusting and even if it's a bit unorthodox here, I'm glad to see someone finally pointing that out.
 

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The Movie was alright, liked the first one a lot more.

Next time you should do a story time that conveys how people need to develop a thicker skin, and how it is okay to not be politically correct.

Also tie in hypocrisy for ever taking offense at any joke aimed at a particular group when you yourself make generalizations, and take pot shots at groups yourself.

Seriously, why is it wrong to poke fun at gays yet okay to poke fun at a particular type of man? Any complaint of inappropriate or bigoted humour is instantly invalidated when the complaining person has engaged in stereotyping of any kind. PERIOD.

Grow the fuck up, get used to the fact that people will find things funny that you don't.
 

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TwistedEllipses said:
I love how this review was done, but I've got to disagree on one point. You can't really watch hangover more than once. If you do, then you go in with all the surprises ruined and it's just not the same...

I disagree, and still think the first Hangover is funny after seeing it at least 5 times now. Maybe that's just me. But I just saw Part 2 today and I was very unimpressed and actually felt bad that my mom bought me and my cousins tickets to see this (though glad it wasn't my $, being home from college does have some advantages). My cousins loved it, but I don't think I laughed for than 2 or 3 times in the entire movie. In hindsight, not even worth a rent.
 

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This guy needs to grow up. 'Dudebros', really? Man, I wish I didn't go to bars with my buds and look at gorgeous girls and talk about sports and have a great time (whatever you consider this type of person to be) so I could criticize everyone that lives that way... which would probably be the majority of American males. Guess I'm just too mainstream.
 

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Battle Catman said:
Bob, you should just preface your reviews with a note saying:

"Yes, this is one of THOSE movies--the ones I personally don't like so if you go see it and enjoy it, I will label you an idiot and blame you for bad movies."

OR

"I liked this movie, so it's either a surefire hit anyway (superhero movies), some foreign film that most people will gloss over ('cause they're idiots), or a movie that's going to bomb at the box office because stupid people (like you) don't appreciate things like I do."
Theres the nail...
you're holding a hammer...
BANG!