Et tu EA?

[Normandyfoxtrot]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

if you like EA well buy the game from them. Good devs need money. I support project 10 dollar as a way to mitigate losses from used sales.

I buy new when I can, but gaming is expensive and times are really tough for me right now. Also, is it better to buy the game used, or to not play it at all?

It's better not to buy at all quite frankly for mine, for theirs and ultimately for yours.
Also just because the data on the disk is there doesn't make it yours, you don't buy all the data there you buy a license to use some of the data there in and ultimately in the case of multiplayer access to the companies multiplayer infrastructure.

If I buy something, isn't it mine to do with as I wish? Why can't I ,or others, sell their games when they're done with them? Why can't others buy them after I sell them at a lower price?

Your getting licensing confused with actually ownership. You didn't buy the game, you bought permission to use a certain set of data and infrastructure for a undetermined amount of time under a certain set of conditions and requirements.

 

[oplinger]

Fuck, this is simply amazing. I can't believe there isn't more support for used games.

Oh I fully support used games and our ability to sell the ones we buy when we're done. I just don't support us complaining about a company trying ti work it's way out of debt with optional material. And even more ridiculous is you're like TIME ARE TOUGH I NEED THIS 10 DOLLARS, but I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2! I'm getting SUCH a sweet deal! Hoo yeah!

It's silly, you don't need what you get for the 10 bucks. EA isn't holding the disk hostage until you pay, you can still play the game.

 

[Blindswordmaster]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

Why should they? A used sale gives them the same amount of money that a pirated copy does. They have every right to withhold content in used copies to encourage people to buy it new so they can make a profit.

No, they should encourage people to buy new, not punish the impoverished for buying used. Like Dragon Age 2: I pre-ordered so I'm getting a fuck ton of extra goodies and exclusive weapons. That's the right way to do it.

Day 1 DLC needs to die. In a fire. Slowly. Withholding content from used copies is one thing, fucking a paying consumer out of content is another.

What's the difference?

 

[Radeonx]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

EA has every right to charge you. If you want access to the full content, buy the game from the publisher, not a third party. The used game market takes away multiple sales from the publisher/developers, so it makes perfect sense for them to charge you to use extra content.

It's not extra content, it's on the fucking disc. Have you never bought a used game?

I should have worded that better. But my point stands. If you want full access to a game, pay the company. Your getting a game they made at a lower price, without paying them anything, and you expect to take up their multiplayer servers for free? Bandwidth costs money, so it is only fair that they get compensated for bills that you rack up.

 

[Katana314]

Why not? I paid for it, can't I use it?

You didn't pay the creator, though. As we've already stated, games aren't a "limited supply good" like a tomato or shaving cream, so the reseller didn't really lose anything by handing that token to you.

 

[oplinger]

Day 1 DLC needs to die. In a fire. Slowly. Withholding content from used copies is one thing, fucking a paying consumer out of content is another.

Day one DLC was actually pretty well explained. They have time between when they finish the game and when it actually hit shelves, so they make some extra content in the mean time. And ta da, day 1 DLC. I think it's a decent excuse if anything. So I let it slide.

...Now cranking out 700 different DLCs after a game is released even if it's like a different color body suit, that needs to die.

 

[Blindswordmaster]

Fuck, this is simply amazing. I can't believe there isn't more support for used games.

Oh I fully support used games and our ability to sell the ones we buy when we're done. I just don't support us complaining about a company trying ti work it's way out of debt with optional material. And even more ridiculous is you're like TIME ARE TOUGH I NEED THIS 10 DOLLARS, but I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2! I'm getting SUCH a sweet deal! Hoo yeah!

It's silly, you don't need what you get for the 10 bucks. EA isn't holding the disk hostage until you pay, you can still play the game.

Let's use Battlefield 3. Is the focus of that game single-player or multiplayer?

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

well
1)does being furry count as fetish xD?(but i dont have strange fetishes in bed xD, expect if gay is onelol)
2)I always loved how animals looked, and i loved characters from cartoons that were anthro, i still love crash bandicoot xD

Um, what?

 

[Blindswordmaster]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

EA has every right to charge you. If you want access to the full content, buy the game from the publisher, not a third party. The used game market takes away multiple sales from the publisher/developers, so it makes perfect sense for them to charge you to use extra content.

It's not extra content, it's on the fucking disc. Have you never bought a used game?

I should have worded that better. But my point stands. If you want full access to a game, pay the company. Your getting a game they made at a lower price, without paying them anything, and you expect to take up their multiplayer servers for free? Bandwidth costs money, so it is only fair that they get compensated for bills that you rack up.

Then put out DLC. New maps, I'll gladly pay for new maps!

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

Why should they? A used sale gives them the same amount of money that a pirated copy does. They have every right to withhold content in used copies to encourage people to buy it new so they can make a profit.

No, they should encourage people to buy new, not punish the impoverished for buying used. Like Dragon Age 2: I pre-ordered so I'm getting a fuck ton of extra goodies and exclusive weapons. That's the right way to do it.

Day 1 DLC needs to die. In a fire. Slowly. Withholding content from used copies is one thing, fucking a paying consumer out of content is another.

What's the difference?

My money is going to the publishers and developers. I'm paying a hefty sum because I thought enough of their product to risk dropping 64$ on it. Day 1 DLC is basically saying: glad you like it, now give us more money to get the full game.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

To drag this out further we're talking about multiplayer specifically the 10 bucks is to allow you to multi on EA's servers. So really the 10 dollars is only used to rent space on a EA server. From a purely logical stand point I cannot see how you can possible believe they are wrong when your suggesting that after they receive no monetary gain from your purchase of a game that the publisher/Developers should then also have to foot the built for the bandwidth and server wear that was caused by your gaming on their infrastructure.

Agreed. Buy it used if you really want but that doesnt mean that they shouldn't let you on their servers while receiving no money in return.

From a publisher point of view that's a nice gain, they now make 10,000 dollars for every 1,000 used games sales instead of 0 dollars for every 1,000,000 used games sales.

 

[Irridium]

EA has every right to charge you. If you want access to the full content, buy the game from the publisher, not a third party. The used game market takes away multiple sales from the publisher/developers, so it makes perfect sense for them to charge you to use extra content.

A unique position amongst the free market.
Just in! Buy a second hand table, but you'll need to buy legs from Ikea!
Want a second hand car? Ford will be having that engine til you cough up, methinks.
A friend let you have a book? The author will be taking Chapter 7 until you pay for it.

Yeah, no. companies make money from second hand sales, because the ability to sell goods on is a part of the value of the goods. Lots of gamers pay RRP because they know that they'll be able to get some of the money back on trades. Take that away, and you're devaluing your own product. Their greed gets no sympathy from me.

Tables and cars don't take well over a hundred million dollars to make, distribute, and advertise.
Cars may, but even so, they lose value the more they are used. Games, not so much.

Your right, they just lose value a different way. As a game stays on the shelf, it stagnates, and the result is an inferior product compared to the fully patched version.

These days, there's patches for everything. And by patching games, you make the version thats on the shelves inferior, and of lesser value. These are sold as used.

Want to patch your game up? Kick a little money to the developer/publisher and they'll fix you up. Don't want to kick some money they're way? Well you get what you pay for, from who you pay.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Fuck, this is simply amazing. I can't believe there isn't more support for used games.

Oh I fully support used games and our ability to sell the ones we buy when we're done. I just don't support us complaining about a company trying ti work it's way out of debt with optional material. And even more ridiculous is you're like TIME ARE TOUGH I NEED THIS 10 DOLLARS, but I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2! I'm getting SUCH a sweet deal! Hoo yeah!

It's silly, you don't need what you get for the 10 bucks. EA isn't holding the disk hostage until you pay, you can still play the game.

Let's use Battlefield 3. Is the focus of that game single-player or multiplayer?

Quite frankly we don't know yet, mostly likely yes it will be focused on multiplayer but you know what they've always had offline bot skirmish which you can play all you want on your used copy, but if you want to play multi on EA/Dice's servers then they have every reason to ask you to compensate them for your use of their equipment.

 

[oplinger]

Fuck, this is simply amazing. I can't believe there isn't more support for used games.

Oh I fully support used games and our ability to sell the ones we buy when we're done. I just don't support us complaining about a company trying ti work it's way out of debt with optional material. And even more ridiculous is you're like TIME ARE TOUGH I NEED THIS 10 DOLLARS, but I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2! I'm getting SUCH a sweet deal! Hoo yeah!

It's silly, you don't need what you get for the 10 bucks. EA isn't holding the disk hostage until you pay, you can still play the game.

Let's use Battlefield 3. Is the focus of that game single-player or multiplayer?

It's focused on both actually. It's going to have a campaign and they're putting a lot of work into it. Didn't you know that?

 

[Blindswordmaster]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

Why should they? A used sale gives them the same amount of money that a pirated copy does. They have every right to withhold content in used copies to encourage people to buy it new so they can make a profit.

No, they should encourage people to buy new, not punish the impoverished for buying used. Like Dragon Age 2: I pre-ordered so I'm getting a fuck ton of extra goodies and exclusive weapons. That's the right way to do it.

Day 1 DLC needs to die. In a fire. Slowly. Withholding content from used copies is one thing, fucking a paying consumer out of content is another.

What's the difference?

My money is going to the publishers and developers. I'm paying a hefty sum because I thought enough of their product to risk dropping 64$ on it. Day 1 DLC is basically saying: glad you like it, now give us more money to get the full game.

But they're still fucking a legitimate consumer out of extra money. He didn't steal the game, he bought it a few months after it came out after someone else played it.
Also, DLC may be made between when the game is finished and shipped. You're getting extra stuff, not being denied a complete product.

 

[Blindswordmaster]

Fuck, this is simply amazing. I can't believe there isn't more support for used games.

Oh I fully support used games and our ability to sell the ones we buy when we're done. I just don't support us complaining about a company trying ti work it's way out of debt with optional material. And even more ridiculous is you're like TIME ARE TOUGH I NEED THIS 10 DOLLARS, but I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2! I'm getting SUCH a sweet deal! Hoo yeah!

It's silly, you don't need what you get for the 10 bucks. EA isn't holding the disk hostage until you pay, you can still play the game.

Let's use Battlefield 3. Is the focus of that game single-player or multiplayer?

It's focused on both actually. It's going to have a campaign and they're putting a lot of work into it. Didn't you know that?

But which will you play more?
Also, Call of Duty has a campaign, but it's lasting quality is clearly multiplayer.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Fuck, this is simply amazing. I can't believe there isn't more support for used games.

Oh I fully support used games and our ability to sell the ones we buy when we're done. I just don't support us complaining about a company trying ti work it's way out of debt with optional material. And even more ridiculous is you're like TIME ARE TOUGH I NEED THIS 10 DOLLARS, but I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2! I'm getting SUCH a sweet deal! Hoo yeah!

It's silly, you don't need what you get for the 10 bucks. EA isn't holding the disk hostage until you pay, you can still play the game.

Let's use Battlefield 3. Is the focus of that game single-player or multiplayer?

It's focused on both actually. It's going to have a campaign and they're putting a lot of work into it. Didn't you know that?

But which will you play more?
Also, Call of Duty has a campaign, but it's lasting quality is clearly multiplayer.

The point is the Singly player doesn't cost the publisher/developer money the muliplayer component does. If you are not going to compensate the publisher for the resources their offering you have no right to be on their servers, period.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

EA has every right to charge you. If you want access to the full content, buy the game from the publisher, not a third party. The used game market takes away multiple sales from the publisher/developers, so it makes perfect sense for them to charge you to use extra content.

It's not extra content, it's on the fucking disc. Have you never bought a used game?

I should have worded that better. But my point stands. If you want full access to a game, pay the company. Your getting a game they made at a lower price, without paying them anything, and you expect to take up their multiplayer servers for free? Bandwidth costs money, so it is only fair that they get compensated for bills that you rack up.

Then put out DLC. New maps, I'll gladly pay for new maps!

I wouldn't unless there were enough maps to call it an expansion pack. This generation has been heavy on the customer gouging, to the point that it's pretty much driven me away from buying the mainstream titles. To all the people that quoted me: thank you for proving my point. Yes, the companies deserve to get paid. But they don't deserve to nickel and dime me for all I'm worth, nor do they deserve to charge whatever the heck they want, and expect me to pay it. I haven't paid full price for a game since Mazes of Fate on the GBA, and then it was because it was made by a small developer and I needed to grab a copy before it pretty much permanently disappeared into the hands of collectors.

Developers can cry all they want about how they're losing money, but a AAA game costs significantly less to make than a blockbuster movie, yet they charge us much more than Hollywood could ever dream of charging. PR agents are not the consumer's friend -- and neither is any company who wants their money.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'm pretty sure that if you buy the game new you get the online for free.
At least, that's how it was with my last EA multiplayer game.

It is a tactic to get money from people who buy used games.

thank you for summarizing the points I made in original post

So why are you complaining? You don't have to pay anything.

Yes, but I like to buy used games and I like EA games and I don't want to pay for content that's already on the disc. I'm rallying for my gamer brothers.

Why should they? A used sale gives them the same amount of money that a pirated copy does. They have every right to withhold content in used copies to encourage people to buy it new so they can make a profit.

No, they should encourage people to buy new, not punish the impoverished for buying used. Like Dragon Age 2: I pre-ordered so I'm getting a fuck ton of extra goodies and exclusive weapons. That's the right way to do it.

Day 1 DLC needs to die. In a fire. Slowly. Withholding content from used copies is one thing, fucking a paying consumer out of content is another.

What's the difference?

My money is going to the publishers and developers. I'm paying a hefty sum because I thought enough of their product to risk dropping 64$ on it. Day 1 DLC is basically saying: glad you like it, now give us more money to get the full game.

But they're still fucking a legitimate consumer out of extra money. He didn't steal the game, he bought it a few months after it came out after someone else played it.
Also, DLC may be made between when the game is finished and shipped. You're getting extra stuff, not being denied a complete product.

I was thinking of things like Fable 3. Black Dye DLC and things like it. Unrelated, I can't access characters like Shale in DA or Zaeed in ME2 because I don't have LIVE. I really hate not being able to access things I pay for.

 

[Booze Zombie]

It's "Project 10 Dollar", it ensures that all used-games still earn them a sizeable chunk of money.