Et tu EA?

[Caligulove]

I thought Project $10 stuff didn't apply to games bought new?
Or maybe I got the context wrong and you didn't buy them New and youre simply arguing from a perspective of 'paying-for-online' is stupid after you already bought the game?

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

I thought Project $10 stuff didn't apply to games bought new?
Or maybe I got the context wrong and you didn't buy them New and youre simply arguing from a perspective of 'paying-for-online' is stupid after you already bought the game?

It doesn't effect copies bought new.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Really, I wish EA and other companies watched Extra Credits. I liked their solutions a lot.

 

[RyanKaufman]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I don't understand how the system of how to rent or used game is since I live in a country where you don't have those things and I don't think I can really say this but wouldn't it be better if you get a new copy to support the company that made it?
Does someone know the price of a used Dead Space 2?
and can someone tell me how the used system works in selling? is it based on condition?

Gamestop has it listed for $42.99, which is almost $20 off the new price. As for how the used system works, it depends on who you buy it from. Gamestop is the biggest used seller in the US, and they charge the same for games regardless of condition. Condition really only comes into play when you're buying an old game, or you're buying from some mom and pop place that focuses on collectors. It's also listed next to the game in most online places (specifically Ebay and Amazon), but it doesn't exactly dictate the price; sellers charge what they think they can get on those sites.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

What are your feelings on used books?

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

What are your feelings on used books?

Frankly I don't buy used books I purchase new or use public library facilities.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

What are your feelings on used books?

Frankly I don't buy used books I purchase new or use public library facilities

Wait a second, you use libraries, and you're judging me for buying used games? Hypocrisy, thy name is Normandyfoxtrot.

 

[Uber Evil]

You know this is funny considering the whole point of the free market is to find the most creative ways to crush your competition and rape your consumers with a radioactive chainsaw.

That's an.... elegant way to put it. Also, I'm totally gonna quote you.
Edit: OT: I think EA is totally in the right to charge people who buy the game used.

 

[Something Amyss]

So my point still stands, 10 dollars isn't a lot, but if you don't want to spend it, don't buy games, you can't spare the money for a hobby.

Come on, that's a total strawman.

It's silly how people will actually defend nickel-and-diming in gaming, when the same simply wouldn't be accepted elsewhere.

 

[natster43]

I hate the online pass with a passion. Since I use a different hard drive than my brother, I can't play Dead Space 2 online. It is stupid that just because we have different hard drives I should give them more money to play a game online under my account when my brother bought it new.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

What are your feelings on used books?

Frankly I don't buy used books I purchase new or use public library facilities

Wait a second, you use libraries, and you're judging me for buying used games? Hypocrisy, thy name is Normandyfoxtrot.

I have no issue with games rental, and a library is simply a literary form of public rental.

 

[rees263]

I support project $10, partly because I follow the reasoning behind it and sympathise with the developers and publishers, and partly because it shouldn't affect the people who purchase said games at all.

First you have to assume that the model for selling games is changing - no longer do you pay $60 for a game. You now pay $50 for the game, a transferable product, and $10 for a one-off non-transferable licence for extra DLC/multiplayer/whatever is the flavour of the month. As someone who buys and plays new games it doesn't matter, either way you pay a total of $60 for the complete package.

Things start changing when you go to sell the game. Before you were selling something with a base cost of $60. Now you only have something worth $50. Obviously this means the trade in value is less than it used to be, and by extension the cost of used games should also go down, so that the value in buying used games reflects the fact that you need to pay an additional $10 to match the content in a used game.

This just means that consumers need to be informed when they make used purchases, so that the price they pay is suitable whether or not they have to pay for extra content.

This model will be strongly affected by how Gamestop and other used games dealers respond to Project $10. I confess that I don't often buy used games anymore, so I don't have any experience with how such second hand games are priced. Also, the above model would make selling games a less enticing proposition, and certainly a less fruitful one. The trend of people who buy new and sell games to fund their purchases will be affected if they start to get less for their old games.

Personally, I find the best thing is to wait and buy new when games are cheaper. I'm lucky in this way because I don't much care for multiplayer so buying early isn't as important for me. Coincidentally this means that Project $10 isn't really an issue, which may be another reason why I don't mind it. As an example, only today I saw BlOps and Ass:Bro for £25 each, brand new. If I wasn't being particularly frugal (you might say stingy) at the moment I would have bought them then and there. As it is, not only do I have a huge back catalogue of games, so I try to force myself not to buy more, but also I know that if I wait longer the price will only continue to fall (although actually for these two games it may take a very long time - I waited until 2010 to buy COD4 because it kept its value so well and I couldn't justify spending a lot of money on such an old game).

 

[Nieroshai]

My pass for DS2 was free, but yeah, why does this exist?

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

What are your feelings on used books?

Frankly I don't buy used books I purchase new or use public library facilities

Wait a second, you use libraries, and you're judging me for buying used games? Hypocrisy, thy name is Normandyfoxtrot.

I have no issue with games rental, and a library is simply a literary form of public rental.

That's even worse. You have no problem with rental, which let's you pay someone $5-$10 bucks to have the game out for a weekend, and potentially beat it in that time, but you don't want people to buy used? The dev isn't getting any money from you either way. And don't bring up that old story about how rental places have to pay more. Blockbuster did it back in the 80's, but that was just to appease the film companies, who were really leery of the whole home video thing. There was never any legal reason for them to do so; the right of first sale states that whoever first buys a product can do whatever the heck they like with it. This includes selling it on or renting it out. That's right, the used market is not simply legal because there's no law against it; there's actually a federal law on the books which expressly protects it.

 

[Snotnarok]

But they're still fucking a legitimate consumer out of extra money. He didn't steal the game, he bought it a few months after it came out after someone else played it.
Also, DLC may be made between when the game is finished and shipped. You're getting extra stuff, not being denied a complete product.

You're not being denied a complete product, you're getting extra optional material that you do not need to play the functioning game. You're simply being charged for buying used, a measely 10 dollars, the person who bought new probably ended up giving them more than 10 dollars in the long run, and they got all the optional features as a bonus.

But which will you play more?
Also, Call of Duty has a campaign, but it's lasting quality is clearly multiplayer.

Doesn't matter which I play more, the game is still functional even if they gave me multiplayer over single player. But it's be silly for them to charge me for single player I don't want, they have to make it interesting for me. So they do it to multiplayer, as it costs upkeep. Also if I bought it for the multiplayer, then I'd give them the 10 bucks, as I'm still getting it cheaper than buying it new if I played my cards right.

But isn't multiplayer part of a functioning game? And am I not being denied part of a functioning part of a game?

No you're not being denied anything, you bought it used, which means you paid the developer and publisher nothing but you're still able to play a large portion of the game. So whatever entitlement you think you have you don't.

The multilayer costs money to upkeep with severs and all that nonsense, you gave them nothing so you don't get access to that function there's no arguing here. It's called intensive, buy two get one free, did you buy two? Yes? You get one free! No? You get nothing.

It's a big company with lots of people and they all worked hard to make a game and they want you to pay for it. Buying used means you didn't pay them at all.

 

[thiosk]

The saddest part is, when they close down the servers in 3 years, you won't be able to play it online anymore.

Three cheers for player-owned servers running on PCs.

 

[oplinger]

So my point still stands, 10 dollars isn't a lot, but if you don't want to spend it, don't buy games, you can't spare the money for a hobby.

Come on, that's a total strawman.

It's silly how people will actually defend nickel-and-diming in gaming, when the same simply wouldn't be accepted elsewhere.

I'm not defending nickel-and-diming in gaming. 10 bucks is hardly nickel and diming. It's serves a strategic purpose to win back market share lost to used games. Now the 1-2 dollar DLCs they release by the truckloads, that's nickel-and-diming. I don't tolerate that, nor would i tolerate it anywhere else. But that's just a flat out obvious way to suck you dry, it serves no purpose but to do so. Paying 10 dollars on a used game to the publisher isn't sucking you dry, it's them trying to stay fucking afloat.

Do you people really just want a world without video games? Hell demand the games for free. Why stop at not paying 10 dollars? 60 is much more than 10 right? Fuck them, you want it for free don't you?! times are hard for your OPTIONAL HOBBY you have to complain! Go for it, write angry letters, let's watch this industry tank! Hell yeah, it'll be an awesome few months!

...Okay really, this isn't them just looking for ways to have our wallets in a death-grip. They are losing a significant amount of money to used game sales, I say they have every right to charge people who buy used. And you wanna know the ISNANE thing about this? you don't have to pay it. Ever. You don't have to pay it now, or later, or when you sell the game, or when you burn it in a mystical death cult ritual outside their corporate offices, no. YOu choose when you pay it. Hold onto it till you can save up to buy another game. Buy a cheap game, pay 10 bucks for extra content on a game you like.

What's that you say? You don't like being given the choice? You just want to complain about some luxury tax that you don't even have to pay? ...That's just sad man, no other way to put it.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Maybe if games were actually good I'd buy things new. Until then, I haven't bought a new game since Mass Effect 2, and I won't buy a new game until Skyrim. EA games tend to blend together also. I'd rather just play Combat Arms and actually keep playing with a large amount of people for longer than 6 months. I guarantee you can't say that for 95% of all multiplayer games on Xbox Live.

The 10 dollar project doesn't stop you from picking up a game six months from now a stream or online or a at a big box etc..etc...etc... only the asinine used games racket.

What are your feelings on used books?

Frankly I don't buy used books I purchase new or use public library facilities

Wait a second, you use libraries, and you're judging me for buying used games? Hypocrisy, thy name is Normandyfoxtrot.

I have no issue with games rental, and a library is simply a literary form of public rental.

That's even worse. You have no problem with rental, which let's you pay someone $5-$10 bucks to have the game out for a weekend, and potentially beat it in that time, but you don't want people to buy used? The dev isn't getting any money from you either way. And don't bring up that old story about how rental places have to pay more. Blockbuster did it back in the 80's, but that was just to appease the film companies, who were really leery of the whole home video thing. There was never any legal reason for them to do so; the right of first sale states that whoever first buys a product can do whatever the heck they like with it. This includes selling it on or renting it out. That's right, the used market is not simply legal because there's no law against it; there's actually a federal law on the books which expressly protects it.

As you probably know now ethic and law often have little if anything to actually do with eachother. As for my support of rental, ultimately it comes to how the system is limited in it's nature.