EVE Online Politics: A spy just screwed a few thousand players, years of work.

[hellthins]

Isn't Band of Brothers the corporation/alliance/whatever that was revealed to have gotten their ultra precious hyper rare Titan schematics (If not full titan) directly from the GMs? I mean, yeah, it kind of sucks to have your group taken down by corporate espionage, but I haven't exactly heard a whole lot good about this group in the first place. And, in a war against something as big as that, corporate espionage is a valid tactic. As it is in any war, you monitor your people.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

And that, kids, is why you don't centralize your corporate infrastructure.

Nice one!

People that play; is this a bigger thing than that infiltration/assassination [http://eve.klaki.net/heist/] thing that happened a while back?

Think of the GHSC (Guiding Hands Social Club) heist and assassination as just what it is. Some mercs get paid to ruin some corp and kill its leader. This is more like the USA being torn down from the inside and the countries of the world fighting over every last bit of territory. So yes, this is bigger.

 

[Blind0bserver]

Okay, in case some of you guys still aren't quite getting it, I have a map outlining the current Alliance division of power.

Spoiler: EVE Alliance Map

First of all, take notice of that massive list of names along the left side of the map. Three-fourths of the names of that list claim to be part of the Band of Brothers. That's what's left of the Alliance. Small cells of resistance that will probably be destroyed one by one.

Now, looking at the map itself trace your finger from a green chunk of space under the list owned by an Alliance called Suns of Tangra, which is in the middle of the map on the left edge. Draw an imaginary line from that Alliance to an orange one called Curatores Veritatis Alliance down to the right. Now look at the shape of the borders the Alliances below it have in relation to the empty space to it's left. Before this fall last night Band of Brothers owned that entire region of space. Skunk Works and Executive Operations didn't use to be there, they were just the first to take advantage of the situation and immediately conquered what used to be the core of BoB territory.

Is the scale of this starting to sink in now, people?

Here's yesterday's sovereignty map, it makes it easier to do before and after:

Spoiler: Yesterday's Sovereignty Map

Thanks for digging that up. I also found a statement released by Goon Squad detailing BoB's destruction and the defection of a full director from Tinfoil, the executor corporation of the former Alliance.

A statement released by the Goon Squad Alliance

To quickly wrap it up, Goon Squad used their traitor director to steal fourteen fully-equipped Dreadnoughts along with hundreds of other ships in the BoB fleet. They also took the opportunity to archive the entirety of the BoB's forums which they're going to release publicly. Everyone has been kicked out of the Alliance and all of the former Allied corporations has had their standing with each other reset. Goon Squad also created their own "Band of Brothers" corporation soon after, effectively stealing the Alliance's name so it cannot be rebuilt. They estimated that what's left of BoB cannot restore sovereignty in their area of space for at least three months.

The Great War of EVE seems to have finally come to an end.

 

[Theo Samaritan]

Isn't Band of Brothers the corporation/alliance/whatever that was revealed to have gotten their ultra precious hyper rare Titan schematics (If not full titan) directly from the GMs? I mean, yeah, it kind of sucks to have your group taken down by corporate espionage, but I haven't exactly heard a whole lot good about this group in the first place. And, in a war against something as big as that, corporate espionage is a valid tactic. As it is in any war, you monitor your people.

Wasn't a titan, it was tech 2. Titan schematics are actually more common than tech 2.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

To quickly wrap it up, Goon Squad used their traitor director to steal fourteen fully-equipped Dreadnoughts along with hundreds of other ships in the BoB fleet. They also took the opportunity to archive the entirety of the BoB's forums which they're going to release publicly. Everyone has been kicked out of the Alliance and all of the former Allied corporations has had their standing with each other reset. Goon Squad also created their own "Band of Brothers" corporation soon after, effectively stealing the Alliance's name so it cannot be rebuilt. They estimated that what's left of BoB cannot restore sovereignty in their area of space for at least three months.

The Great War of EVE seems to have finally come to an end.

15 fully fitted dreadnoughts actually. I listened to that on Massively when it was posted as an edit. But I advise everyone here to take everything they say with a grain of salt. They are goons after all.

 

[Blind0bserver]

To quickly wrap it up, Goon Squad used their traitor director to steal fourteen fully-equipped Dreadnoughts along with hundreds of other ships in the BoB fleet. They also took the opportunity to archive the entirety of the BoB's forums which they're going to release publicly. Everyone has been kicked out of the Alliance and all of the former Allied corporations has had their standing with each other reset. Goon Squad also created their own "Band of Brothers" corporation soon after, effectively stealing the Alliance's name so it cannot be rebuilt. They estimated that what's left of BoB cannot restore sovereignty in their area of space for at least three months.

The Great War of EVE seems to have finally come to an end.

15 fully fitted dreadnoughts actually. I listened to that on Massively when it was posted as an edit. But I advise everyone here to take everything they say with a grain of salt. They are goons after all.

Well of course. They stopped in the middle of this press release of theirs to start yelling and singing that they had "won EVE". It's hard to take them seriously, but then again they just won a war they had been fighting since the summer of 2006 outright via espionage. They have a hell of a lot to be happy about.

 

[Jenny Creed]

They estimated that what's left of BoB cannot restore sovereignty in their area of space for at least three months.

The Great War of EVE seems to have finally come to an end.

It's over forever for at least three months?

I doubt BoB will ever restore their former glories. But there's what, ten other really big alliances? That in fighting over the now unattached regions and players will change the face of the conflict.

Which I like. The sovereignty map has been pretty static up until now.

 

[geldonyetich]

Dynamic content is cool, but EVE's execution has always been one of brute force shoehorning in a player run economy first, actual gameplay quality second. Thousands of players being screwed over by one player mucking around with their corporation structure was, if anything, quite predictable: this isn't much a game, since when were measures that preserve the players' fun a priority?

 

[Eipok Kruden]

To quickly wrap it up, Goon Squad used their traitor director to steal fourteen fully-equipped Dreadnoughts along with hundreds of other ships in the BoB fleet. They also took the opportunity to archive the entirety of the BoB's forums which they're going to release publicly. Everyone has been kicked out of the Alliance and all of the former Allied corporations has had their standing with each other reset. Goon Squad also created their own "Band of Brothers" corporation soon after, effectively stealing the Alliance's name so it cannot be rebuilt. They estimated that what's left of BoB cannot restore sovereignty in their area of space for at least three months.

The Great War of EVE seems to have finally come to an end.

15 fully fitted dreadnoughts actually. I listened to that on Massively when it was posted as an edit. But I advise everyone here to take everything they say with a grain of salt. They are goons after all.

Well of course. They stopped in the middle of this press release of theirs to start yelling and singing that they had "won EVE". It's hard to take them seriously, but then again they just won a war they had been fighting since the summer of 2006 outright via espionage. They have a hell of a lot to be happy about.

The goons may be idiots, for the most part, but they do have their moments. And their moments are better than anyone else's. When they do something right, they do it better than anyone else could. Of course, it doesn't happen often.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

When I played Shadowbane (the one true PVP focused MMO), servers had a nasty habit of polarizing. One empire would rise, so another would rise to compete. You in the end only had a couple of choices... or just be a rogue. It sucked, and robbed the game of a lot potentional fun. Some days I really wished either Guild Leader would disolve and leave most of the cities/guilds to defend themselves, but everyone was too caught up in "winning" then actually trying make a story unfold (good or bad).

EVE is a LOT more complicated than that. And "Shadowbane (the one true PVP focused MMO)" is just total fucking bullshit. EVE has better PvP than Shadowbane.

 

[Auron555]

Wow, that's harsh. I wonder how realistic the game is, I mean, could something of similar magnitude happen in the real world?

 

[geldonyetich]

The goons may be idiots, for the most part, but they do have their moments. And their moments are better than anyone else's. When they do something right, they do it better than anyone else could. Of course, it doesn't happen often.

They do love to push their luck in the name of teh funney. One of these days, they're going to go a little too far, suffer backslash way over their head, and stumble around chagrined wondering what happened. As it is, I'd hate to be the guy that did this, I'd be watching my back for months.

[If something terrible happened to him, that would completely make their day, because it would likely bring a lot of attention down on MMORPGs and bring new levels of virtual property regulation, and that's just the kind of attention they like to get. "We broke MMORPGs! Lol!"]

 

[hellthins]

The goons may be idiots, for the most part, but they do have their moments. And their moments are better than anyone else's. When they do something right, they do it better than anyone else could. Of course, it doesn't happen often.

They do love to push their luck in the name of teh funney. One of these days, they're going to go a little too far, suffer backslash way over their head, and stumble around chagrined wondering what happened. As it is, I'd hate to be the guy that did this, I'd be watching my back for months.

Given how old Something Awful is, I really significantly doubt you're going to see them "stumble" from any amount of back lash. That's kind of like suggesting 4chan'd be shocked, appalled, and crippled if some one trolled them back.

Then again, Something Awful forums has taken a minimal talk about EVE Online policy, but goons are still goons.

 

[Chickenlittle]

Holy shit, that's just evil. A person would have to be seriously fucked up in the head to waste years of work by thousands of people.

 

[geldonyetich]

Then again, Something Awful forums has taken a minimal talk about EVE Online policy, but goons are still goons.

From what I hear, Something Awful and Goonfleet aren't on real good footing lately.

 

[wedrinkritalin]

You say politics? I doubt there are capitalist, fascist, communist, anarchist groups or unions are there, or different shades of guys with big ships

 

[geldonyetich]

You say politics? I doubt there are capitalist, fascist, communist, anarchist groups or unions are there, or different shades of guys with big ships

Heh, if you'd played EVE Online long enough, you'd probably notice that there are in everything but name. That game's player economy is nuts.

 

[NDWolfwood5268]

Dynamic content is cool, but EVE's execution has always been one of brute force shoehorning in a player run economy first, actual gameplay quality second. Thousands of players being screwed over by one player mucking around with their corporation structure was, if anything, quite predictable: this isn't much a game, since when were measures that preserve the players' fun a priority?

Not to start a fight, but you don't understand the appeal of EVE if you make such a statement, but that's probably why you don't play it. Those of us that like the game like it BECAUSE this can happen. That IS the fun. By giving us a true sandbox and saying 'go', CCP makes something that no one else has on the market. You need to compete with douchebags and account for espionage.

This is very much of a game. It's deeper than any other I've seen yet, and that depth turns most away form it. And predictable? Well, I suppose the current alliances are destined to fall eventually, and attacks like this will happen again, but you can't predict when and were and by who. This is a surprise to most people in EVE, and if you're not part of it, I don't think you can call it predictable if we can't (we being the players).

 

[geldonyetich]

Dynamic content is cool, but EVE's execution has always been one of brute force shoehorning in a player run economy first, actual gameplay quality second. Thousands of players being screwed over by one player mucking around with their corporation structure was, if anything, quite predictable: this isn't much a game, since when were measures that preserve the players' fun a priority?

Not to start a fight, but you don't understand the appeal of EVE if you make such a statement, but that's probably why you don't play it. Those of us that like the game like it BECAUSE this can happen. That IS the fun. By giving us a true sandbox and saying 'go', CCP makes something that no one else has on the market. You need to compete with douchebags and account for espionage.

This is very much of a game. It's deeper than any other I've seen yet, and that depth turns most away form it. And predictable? Well, I suppose the current alliances are destined to fall eventually, and attacks like this will happen again, but you can't predict when and were and by who. This is a surprise to most people in EVE, and if you're not part of it, I don't think you can call it predictable if we can't (we being the players).

Oh no, I understand completely. The game itself is such a dull floating economic simulation that major scandal screwing over other players adds some desperately needed excitement.

I'm no WoW player, I know all about EVE. I was even in the beta.