Ever get the feeling that your country is run by idiots?

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dragonslayer32

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Talshere said:
A Labor Goverment was the worst thing that ever happened to the UK. When they gained power with Blair way back when the UK was in the black, 12 years on the joint party government is cutting back on EVERYTHING just to stop going further into the red and we have a 130 billion debt to clear. I dont care how much people like having benefits for not having a job, because of some minor ailment noone will ever notice etc, it all needs scraping because we simply cant afford it.
'ALL'? Are you serious? My father served 15 years in the navy until he couldn't work anymore because of a condition which causes his joints to seize up. Are you saying that he shouldn't get any money from the country he protected for 15 years? So we can't afford to help people like my dad, but the tax payer CAN afford to pay for David Cameron's 3 houses and staff?
 
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Dublin Solo said:
You know what's great about democratic governments? They're elected.

My two cents, which maybe are not very helpful.
I think that's closer to the truth, at least for Canada. Voter turn out for elections have gone down over the past decade allowing small core groups to elect their lobby group to Parliament
basically.
 

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dragonslayer32 said:
Hello fellow Escapists, prepare for a rant. I was watching the local news yesterday and there is a man with cancer that has been refused treatment on the NHS for his cancer because the government says it is too expensive. He will die without those drugs. Also, both of my parents are disabled but have to pay £300+ for prescriptions a year. Meanwhile, the NHS is funding surf lessons (£250 per person) for people with ADHD.

So, does anyone have similar problems with their government?
Everyone hates their government when they have an issue and for whatever reason, it doesn't get fixed.
Not to make pain and suffering sound like a triviality, but when you're pushing paper all the time, it does become one...

Talshere said:
I dont care how much people like having benefits for not having a job, because of some minor ailment noone will ever notice etc, it all needs scraping because we simply cant afford it.
They are all minor ailments until you have one.
People don't like being inactive and not having jobs.
If there were jobs to have, the government wouldn't be stuck having to give money to people... shame there's so many people in the world, eh?
 

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manaman said:
The current administration of the US seems to be doing everything it can to run the country into the ground, yet most people have no idea how damaging many of the policies are in the long run, and Obama still continues to have a bit of his 'rockstar' status among the 20-35 age group.
When it comes to which administration ran the US into the ground, I think you might want to focus on who was in the White House over the previous 8 years instead of who has been in it for two.

Things have been building towards a mess in the US for over a decade. You can't expect anyone to seriously believe that its been rainbows and sunshine until suddenly a Democratic black man was voted in as the U.S. President.

Anyway, I'd rather focus on productive ideas for fixing all of our problems world-wide rather than just pointing fingers... its easy to *****. How about working to fix things?
 

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From my point of view, at least 80% of the total population are idiots/douchebags/downright jerks. This means that most likely, they will be put into a place of authority and get to do all sorts of stupid crap. I think most people have had a boss, teacher, older family member, whatever act like a complete ponce and get away with it because they're "in charge." Stupid people get ahead most commonly in life, because there's sooo many of them!
 

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If I said idiots I'd be optimistic. I believe it's actually worse than that.

See, for example here in Germany there's this ruckus about politicians wanting to uphold nuclear reactors instead of sticking to their agenda and shift to "green" energy like wind or water. In response they proposed new laws that will require cartels to pay extra money for keeping their nuclear reactors, money for better security (since some nuclear power plants have malfunctioned recently. No catastrophes, but it's a warning sign. A bigger warning sign are caves for storing nuclear waste that are in horrible, groundwater-polluting-horrible condition) and money for helping the government fund green energy projects.

On paper.
In reality, they can offset the biggest chunk of money against tax, the part where they have to pay for continuing to run a power plant at all. As for security and green energy investment, well, it's designed so that if they invest heavily in security they need to pay less for green energy and vice-versa.

See, they're not stupid. We're stupid. They know they can fool us and only a tiny percentage will actually read the new laws and understand them. They will continue to cuddle with the economy and the lobbies will keep winning. Why? Because the big money isn't found in political jobs, it's all in the economy! Many politicians either receive instant-donations (If anybody here is from Germany, a party called FDP should ring some bells) or they are promised high positions in the economy where they won't have to worry about small pensions.

Tho, when I see those public sessions in parliament, they really come off as the most uneducated and childish people you have ever seen in your life. Literally, in the last debate there was something like "Oh, Mrs. Merkel (<- Germany's big boss right now), it really doesn't take that much intelligence to criticize your government" and the response was "Oh, look at yourself!" and then it just went on an on like two five-year-olds quarreling about should play with the new toy next. And to top things, the party that was part of the governing coalition last time, once again, did a huge leap backwards and suddenly criticizes everything the government does, because they are now in the opposition. Does that stop them from criticizing plans they backed up when they where in the governing coalition? No, it doesn't. Are they stupid because of that? No, they're not, it's just a strategy to gain more voters. And it works. They're not stupid, their voters are IMO.
Those people don't realize they have to work together in order to make a good government. Or maybe they realize it but they don't give a shit. It would fit with the egoistical behavior that makes them favor the money from the economy lobbies instead of the people.


I don't believe my country is run by idiots. I believe it's mostly run by unqualified people that know how to get voters and they exceed in this role so well they start subverting the idea of democracy.
We need more people that pay attention to politics and invest time and effort into it, but most of us either don't have the time and willpower left from the gray daily routine or they're not interested as long as it's directly and visibly hurting them.

/opinion
 

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manaman said:
The current administration of the US seems to be doing everything it can to run the country into the ground, yet most people have no idea how damaging many of the policies are in the long run, and Obama still continues to have a bit of his 'rockstar' status among the 20-35 age group.

Specifically my state (Washington) had a $2 billion surplus before the current governor took over. Now they have so little money they are unable fix the streets properly. Their solution to the problem is to introduce an income tax. This state has never had an income tax, and a lower sales tax then most states. How about the idiots stop spending billions of state tax dollars in Seattle. I don't think the city really needs another museum or an underground replacement for the viaduct.
Yep, it's totally the current administration's fault the US have the highest debt in the world, are in two wars (contributing to that debt) started by the previous president, and that the economy crashed as a result of complete deregulation of the market by the previous administration(s) and are socially behind most Western European countries despite being the most powerful nation on earth as a result of stupid fear of socialism.
On that note, I wonder how much people would like it if there were no free schools, no public sector transport, no laws against exploitation of workers and against child labor, etc. because those are all technically "socialist" things.
I would also know how our beloved deregulated market would like it if the government stopped its subsidies and other forms of helping businesses along. You can't expect that the government shoves billions up your ass and at the same has no say whatsoever in what you do.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. I understand that you're not happy with the situation in your particular state and in the country as a whole, but I just always go into a rage fit when people blame it on Obama. What's that all about? If he can't shovel the country out of the shit that's piled up mile-high above the US in two years he's somehow failed? I also fail to see how bringing the US social system up to par with us Europeans is bad, it works just fine in Germany, and as you might know Germany's a huge economic power "despite" the fact that it's a rather social country. Also look at Norway, wealthiest society on the planet, and yet they provide almost everything for their citizens, you're protected by the state from the cradle to the grave.

Oops, guess I continued my rant. Anyway, I hope this doesn't offend you or anything. It's nothing against you personally.

OT: Currently my country is run by idiots. The FDP, which is the smaller coalition partner of the CDU, is completely retarded. Take this example: Germany needs to cut expenses. A lot. And they lower the taxes for hotels. What is found out soon after? The owner of a large hotel-group gave them a generous gift in the millions. That's just corrupt.
 

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South Africa has had only two presidencies in which it wasn't, Mandela's first and only term (just after the official end of apartheid) and de Klerk's second term.(During the official end of apartheid.)

Those two were brilliant, everyone before: racist white idiots, everyone after: racist black idiots.
On the one side you have PW botha, a complete schmuck, as bad as the apartheid presidents got, and on the other side, you have Thabo Mbeki, the most corrupt and near-sighted person who has gotten a position in office in the last 35 years.

I feel so proudly South African. Yay...
 

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Distorted Stu said:
The UK is certainly run by monkeys. The whole prision, benefits, health and tradition are completely mucked up. The only thing they havnt fucked up FULLY is the education system, but even that has its flaws. Wooo England -_-
itl get better now that we've kicked the stalinists out and have some sane people in charge.

unless those idiots in the unions decide that they can defy a democratic government (remember the 1970's?)

or if the EU disbands all national governments and imposes the Grand Kingdom Of Europe on us (in which case im leaving for the good ol US of A)
 

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The reason all gevernments are run by idiots, is because smart/talented people go somewhere else. Politics is nothing more then a bad joke without a punchline.
 

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vallorn said:
Distorted Stu said:
The UK is certainly run by monkeys. The whole prision, benefits, health and tradition are completely mucked up. The only thing they havnt fucked up FULLY is the education system, but even that has its flaws. Wooo England -_-
itl get better now that we've kicked the stalinists out and have some sane people in charge.

unless those idiots in the unions decide that they can defy a democratic government (remember the 1970's?)

or if the EU disbands all national governments and imposes the Grand Kingdom Of Europe on us (in which case im leaving for the good ol US of A)
I liked the labour government. They helped the poor and the rich. The tories help the rich and themselves and let the poor (the north) to rot. Thatcher did it and so will Cameron.
 

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niblik said:
manaman said:
The current administration of the US seems to be doing everything it can to run the country into the ground, yet most people have no idea how damaging many of the policies are in the long run, and Obama still continues to have a bit of his 'rockstar' status among the 20-35 age group.
When it comes to which administration ran the US into the ground, I think you might want to focus on who was in the White House over the previous 8 years instead of who has been in it for two.

Things have been building towards a mess in the US for over a decade. You can't expect anyone to seriously believe that its been rainbows and sunshine until suddenly a Democratic black man was voted in as the U.S. President.

Anyway, I'd rather focus on productive ideas for fixing all of our problems world-wide rather than just pointing fingers... its easy to *****. How about working to fix things?
I never said it was rainbows and sunshine. I actually disagreed with Bush on several major issues. However Obama has been far worse for this country.

Obama's first action upon getting into office was to make good progress outspending the entire eight years of bush administration. Including the last year where Bush basically showed his true colors.

The current economic crises was set in motion by Clinton, it just happened to burst at the end of the Bush administration. The housing bubble was set off by the very humanitarian notion that everyone should be able to afford a home. To much sub par lending lead to the housing bubble, the policies that enabled that bubble where set in place while Clinton was in office. Since you are pointing fingers even through you said you didn't want to, I figured you should at least point them in the correct general direction.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing but contempt for the second term of the Bush administration. I also didn't agree with the war in Iraq when I was over there fighting and I still don't. I was okay with killing people in Afghanistan through.

And, what the hell does the color of his skin matter? It obviously matters to you since you decided to include it.

When I talk about Obama being bad for the country I mean that his spending (a viable tactic used in the past during economic crisis) seems to be out of control. He didn't close Gitmo, he has actually sent more troops to Iraq and Afghanistan after promising a workable exist strategy. ATCA, the ridiculous war on piracy, the push to move ISP's away from network neutrality, and disregarding a history of first sale doctrine. The 9th circuit court is pretty much humping his administration's leg, and if you want to see a bit of his policy in action just look at the ridiculous decisions by that court. He can still find $300 billion for the military, while pretty much closing NASA and other programs directed towards science and exploration, even worse he could find $800 billion to nationalize failing businesses, but can't find the $18 billion NASA needed to meet its current objectives.

Seriously does the man have to straight up gun down innocent people in the streets before his administration loses this crazed rockstar cult following status?
 

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dragonslayer32 said:
Talshere said:
A Labor Goverment was the worst thing that ever happened to the UK. When they gained power with Blair way back when the UK was in the black, 12 years on the joint party government is cutting back on EVERYTHING just to stop going further into the red and we have a 130 billion debt to clear. I dont care how much people like having benefits for not having a job, because of some minor ailment noone will ever notice etc, it all needs scraping because we simply cant afford it.
'ALL'? Are you serious? My father served 15 years in the navy until he couldn't work anymore because of a condition which causes his joints to seize up. Are you saying that he shouldn't get any money from the country he protected for 15 years? So we can't afford to help people like my dad, but the tax payer CAN afford to pay for David Cameron's 3 houses and staff?

Im pretty sure that doesnt come under the heading of benefits because you cant be bothered to work or ailments that nobody will ever notice.

Let me be more specific. ADHD didnt exist till what. 30 years ago? That doesnt mean it didnt exist. The same number of people "suffered" exactly the same problems but managed just fine without special classes and free trips with funded extra schooling because he cant stop being a dick in class. Just like people who have dyslexia with manifests as an inability to spell. I cant spell. My hand writing is atrocious, I probably qualify for mild dyslexia under some tarded rules. I dont have dyslexia, I just cant spell and my hand writing is crap because I'm left handed.

Its THIS sort of thing I'm complaining about. The people who work 8 hours a week and claim benefits because they can rather than work a 30+ hour week like everyone else.

I have noting against an old solider claiming his due after 15 years of active service. ESPECIALLY if the active service has contributed to his current state. But the general benefits economy we have running atm CANNOT continue to function. The lower income bracket is guna HAVE to be the worst hit whether they like it or not because you cant take benefits away from people who cant or wont claim them, and the higher income bracket tax bracket is already being taxed to breaking point, some of those people pay over 40% of their income in tax ffs what MORE do you want? In my personal opinion, income tax should be a flat % like 20% of your income. Everyone loses the same % of their income. I don't see why just because you earn more you should be levied with more costs to fund people who earn less.
 

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Gorumgol said:
bleachigo10 said:
Recently there was a bill that if passed would give free healtcare to the families of 9/11 emergency responders. Republicans were against it because it involved a small tax increase but that doesn't really matter because the Democrats decided to use a voting system that required three fourths of the votes to pass instead of a majority. Had they not used this system the bill would have passed. That is my answer.
It's really sad that most voters are as ignorant as you are.
I'm not even old enough to vote yet, this is just what I heard.
 

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When you expect people to work for the government when they can reasonably be making 50% more doing the same work in the private sector, you have to expect that they'll be spending most of their time either not doing anything or working unfairly for outside interests so that they can get their insane payoff later.

There's also a problem with unions in the government. I recognize that employees would just be taking it up the ass if it weren't for the unions, but I honestly don't think the government is even bothering to negotiate. As far as I've seen, the government is just bending over for the union endorsement and blaming dumbshit for all their problems. I mean really, my mayor wants to tax soda when he'd be better of firing some incompetent employees, but he signed away the right fire people and would rather tax soda than speak out against the union...
 

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Close the windows! Incoming shit storm!

Oh God, it's too late! It's through the screens and now all the furniture is upholstered with a fine mist of doody!

To answer the question, not the entire government, just some specific portions at some times.