apparently loads of people on the escapist do. I have never had faith in the race, because a large group is as stupid as the dumbest person in it, minus 20. there are exceptions to that rule, and I have faith in those.
I'm not sure that I am saying that I am a moral relativist either... I just object to the terms "right" and "wrong". I prefer to think of it in terms of social and anti-social behaviour. It describes the same thing, and draws the same conclusions, it's just less arrogant of an assertion...does that make sense?Charlie the Grenadier said:Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth (or anything else for that matter, because I know that sort of thing makes you a saaaad paaanda...). I just took you're point about how this thread is rooted in idealism and kinda went off on one as to why idealism is stupid. It's usually well intended, but stupid nonetheless.Sexual Harassment Panda said:I'm not sure that's what I was saying...not that it's entirely wrong.Charlie the Grenadier said:An utopian world will never exist, the human condition won't let it be so, and treat human beings as if it can is flawed from the outset.
I'm not a moral relativist; I think there is an objective right and wrong. This is where we part, shake hands and walk off in different directionsSexual Harassment Panda said:I was just pointing out that morality is an invention of the mind...and so entirely subjective. We pick and choose what is right based on what serves our societies better(mostly...it's a process). It might be socially beneficial...but can never truely be "right"...Because there isn't really a grounds for claiming that something is right. Rendering all human debate worthless!
Not really "worthless"(self quoting is lame, I know), it's nice to try and make our existence as easy as possible, and to look out for eachother. I just like how you can reduce even the most caring and seemingly righteous moral arguments to arrogant nonsense by acknowledging that we are just making this shit up as we go along...![]()
Yeah... lost that along with that whole "childhood innocence" thing. But, that is why we have religion.Hubilub said:By asking if we have lost faith in humanity, you imply that we once had faith in it.
Which I never had.
My thoughts exactly. well, mostly.yosophat said:I have very little faith in humanity; it's probably one of the reasons I believe in God. I rather put my faith in something that can't be proven rather than something that fails to meet the challenges that it is presented with.
wait wait wait....you had faith in humanity o,o?o,o....i kid but yes..everyday i look at stupid people and wonder why euthanasia is not legal -.- the best part is when poor people with no health care are urgently against something that will only benefit them...also my best friiend is a wow zombie...which is sad toocrimsonshrouds said:I swear humanity seems to take two steps forward then the actions of a few make it take five steps back.
I see articles now days where people are still being discriminated against. Or the fact that my government has a budget thats as balanced as a person with ten maxed out credit cards yet keeps spending money they don't have. People blaming video games for the stupidest things or censor and ban them.
So escapist ever lose faith in humanity?
Ah, I see what you mean and I largely agree. Right and wrong, as far as I'm concerned, does correlate with social and anti-social in most cases. I also throw the notion of rationality (logical thought) into the mix, too, which completes my definition. Right is what is both rational and social, and wrong is what is both irrational and anti-social.Sexual Harassment Panda said:I'm not sure that I am saying that I am a moral relativist either... I just object to the terms "right" and "wrong". I prefer to think of it in terms of social and anti-social behaviour. It describes the same thing, and draws the same conclusions, it's just less arrogant of an assertion...does that make sense?Charlie the Grenadier said:I'm not a moral relativist; I think there is an objective right and wrong. This is where we part, shake hands and walk off in different directions![]()
*shakes hand*
I'm sure you find this stuff worrrying, but it's too damn funny for me to give a shit.Thaius said:http://www.yahooanswerfail.com
Yeah. All the time.