Ever tried arguing with an idiot?

[SharPhoe]

I'm on the internet, which is half porn, a quarter arguing with idiots, and a a quarter arguing with idiots about porn.

...Ummm, what those kinds of arguments like? Seriously, message me, porn arguments sound like a gold mine of hilarity.

 

[ioxles]

"Never argue with an idiot. The best outcome you can hope for is that you won an argument with an idiot."

I'm surprised no one else has heard this one.

 

[Silva]

I find argueing with idiots to be fun. You always win, if you play by their rules.

Normally I just give them lengthy posts to read, with immense paragraphs of data proving so solidly proving every single flaw in their arguments and their information. Overwhelming them can force them to actually spend an honest few minutes learning, which is the noble thing to do for them.

However, in retrospect, my most openly successful debates (i.e. ones where they actually admitted where I was right) with fools have been ones where I decided to use their own logic against them, basically upgrading it. I liken the technique to them having a pipe of bullshit that they drink every day, and I pull it upwards, then pour acid into it instead. Result: melting reputation la idiota. Mmm, the best smell in every morning.

 

[Horned Rat]

I argued with a lady at my work about hair colour. She was convinced if she dyed her hair during pregnancy her babies hair colour would change. This based on her sister who dyed her hair blonde and had a baby with blonde streaks.

No amount of talk on genetics and dominant/recessive genes would convince her otherwise.... I wanted to tear my hair out.

 

[reinersailer]

Don't think about someone, that he is an idiot, if you are no idiot, you can explain what you mean and he will understand -so he isn't an idiot - and if you can't explain, think about yourself and ask him why he thinks what he says. Maybe after such a conversation, there are two idiots less than before.

 

[Spirit_Of_Fire]

I have a friend who wont listen to other peoples points of view for example i try to say to him that the xbox 360 is a good console but he wont listen he just keeps saying its crap.

 

[antipunt]

Ever tried arguing with an idiot?

Only like...multiple times a week

 

[TriGGeR_HaPPy]

Ugh. Yes, but at least (for the most part) the majority of the idiots I argue with at school can at least admit when they're wrong.
It's only really infuriating for me when you start arguing with those at the top of the idiot chain, the ones who seem absolutely incapable of admitting that they're wrong.
That drives me absolutely nuts...

 

[Mr. Blond]

i like sinking to an idiot's level when arguing/debating/(in my girrfriend's case) discussing...in fact if they are trying to present an opinion as fact i go way overboard with automatic contradiction or repeating what they say word for word in a whiny voice...or when you get good...finish their sentences with crazy sh*t

 

[Trivun]

Can't say I'm currently arguing with an idiot, more so I'm trying to do whatever I can to get rid of one. I'm sure anyone who's been active on the forum just now will know what I mean...

lol yup... So have you taken up the reigns and decided you will save us from this menace

Well, not really, since the guy managed that all on his own... :s

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I've done it several times, with most people I meet on a daily basis in school have the intellect and depth of a two-dimensional boy from the caveman era.

Take this for example: I was talking to a friend of mine (he's not an idiot really, but he talked so dearly about something he doesn't even have any bloody information about), and we were arguing over good game series. For some weird reason, he thinks that every FPS the latest years are ripping off Halo 3, and he doesn't even own a 360, he's only played parts of the multiplayer with me and some friends, and he hasn't even seen that many FPS's.

Doesn't it strike anyone as a blind shot for someone to accuse Rainbow Six Vegas 2, a tactical modern-day shooter on Earth, with normal army weapons, fighting some secret organization or something (haven't played through the game), to be a rip-off of Halo 3, an FPS with purple, weird-shaped weapons set 500 years in the future, where you fight against some big alien cult that believe that rings equals gods? It's like comparing Gears of War to Doom! I know that it's fun to argue, but if you haven't got information about any games, you already know that you will lose against someone who's played games his entire life! This is just like categorizing an entire game genre as a ripoff of the first game IN the genre! Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to hit my head with a frying pan.

EDIT: Thanks for correcting me, curlycrouton.

Um, it IS ripping off of Halo. Have you ever played the original Rainbow Six games? NOTHING like RSV. The original games had no regenerating health, no 1-on-30 terrorist hunts, and a hell of a lot more weapon and ammo loadout selections.

That's one of the biggest things I've seen Yahtzee be right about: games are trying to be like Halo (even if it's subconscious). I feel bad for not reading the thread before posting, but you are accusing your friend of being an idiot, and he isn't exactly wrong. There is a lot more to "being like Halo" than just the space-age setting. Gameplay mechanics, weapon selections (it doesn't matter if they are spitting plasma or bullets if they do the same thing functionally), health systems, grenade mechanics, and melee options all come into play when making a FPS. If more than a few match Halo closely, he's got an argument.

Ok, I put my hands up and call myself busted. There is no denial that a lot of games take inspiration from Halo, but it's difference in taking inspiration from gameplay mechanics and ripping off everything, which my friend is accusing games for. If you look at most FPS games, they inherited the original Halo: CE mechanics, but why wouldn't they? I do agree that the first Halo was innovative, but so many games have used the same formula for how an FPS is supposed to work after that that it doesn't have any means to be defended anymore. It was an original new idea, but it was just a matter of time anyway until someone came up with it. It's like accusing every FPS to be a ripoff off Doom, cause it was the first to come up with the idea. Nobobdy really makes a big deal out of it anymore. And let it be remembered that he said that every FPS for the 360 is ripping off Halo 3.

To say it quick now, Halo was innovative, with new ideas and mechanics, but nobody cares that most games uses it ideas now, cause without them FPS gaming wouldn't work properly.

 

[Signa]

I've done it several times, with most people I meet on a daily basis in school have the intellect and depth of a two-dimensional boy from the caveman era.

Take this for example: I was talking to a friend of mine (he's not an idiot really, but he talked so dearly about something he doesn't even have any bloody information about), and we were arguing over good game series. For some weird reason, he thinks that every FPS the latest years are ripping off Halo 3, and he doesn't even own a 360, he's only played parts of the multiplayer with me and some friends, and he hasn't even seen that many FPS's.

Doesn't it strike anyone as a blind shot for someone to accuse Rainbow Six Vegas 2, a tactical modern-day shooter on Earth, with normal army weapons, fighting some secret organization or something (haven't played through the game), to be a rip-off of Halo 3, an FPS with purple, weird-shaped weapons set 500 years in the future, where you fight against some big alien cult that believe that rings equals gods? It's like comparing Gears of War to Doom! I know that it's fun to argue, but if you haven't got information about any games, you already know that you will lose against someone who's played games his entire life! This is just like categorizing an entire game genre as a ripoff of the first game IN the genre! Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to hit my head with a frying pan.

EDIT: Thanks for correcting me, curlycrouton.

Um, it IS ripping off of Halo. Have you ever played the original Rainbow Six games? NOTHING like RSV. The original games had no regenerating health, no 1-on-30 terrorist hunts, and a hell of a lot more weapon and ammo loadout selections.

That's one of the biggest things I've seen Yahtzee be right about: games are trying to be like Halo (even if it's subconscious). I feel bad for not reading the thread before posting, but you are accusing your friend of being an idiot, and he isn't exactly wrong. There is a lot more to "being like Halo" than just the space-age setting. Gameplay mechanics, weapon selections (it doesn't matter if they are spitting plasma or bullets if they do the same thing functionally), health systems, grenade mechanics, and melee options all come into play when making a FPS. If more than a few match Halo closely, he's got an argument.

Ok, I put my hands up and call myself busted. There is no denial that a lot of games take inspiration from Halo, but it's difference in taking inspiration from gameplay mechanics and ripping off everything, which my friend is accusing games for. If you look at most FPS games, they inherited the original Halo: CE mechanics, but why wouldn't they? I do agree that the first Halo was innovative, but so many games have used the same formula for how an FPS is supposed to work after that that it doesn't have any means to be defended anymore. It was an original new idea, but it was just a matter of time anyway until someone came up with it. It's like accusing every FPS to be a ripoff off Doom, cause it was the first to come up with the idea. Nobobdy really makes a big deal out of it anymore. And let it be remembered that he said that every FPS for the 360 is ripping off Halo 3.

To say it quick now, Halo was innovative, with new ideas and mechanics, but nobody cares that most games uses it ideas now, cause without them FPS gaming wouldn't work properly.

Good, as long as I'm glad to see I'm not arguing with an idiot

There certainly are things that are just a "given" when it comes to making a FPS, and since Halo did it first and well enough to get recognition for it, I can see where the argument does seem baseless. I wasn't knocking you for that part.

I certainly enjoy some of the "ripped off" aspects in newer games. RSV is a fun game, but if I was more of a purist, the changes would have pissed me off. Whether or not you want to chalk it up to being "moar liek halo" or just good gameplay design, it's up to you, but I'm of the mentality that everyone is trying to be like Halo, so we aren't seeing any shooters that feel different at all. FPSs have always been dry because of the sameness of gameplay across titles. The original RS was refreshing because you got hit once, and you were dead. You also got a squad to do your mission with instead of just one man. Some FPSs innovate new (and not always improved) ideas, and it bums me out that no one is trying anything new since Halo.

My favorite FPS titles to this day are still the ones that are farthest from Doom, and are all older than Halo.

 

[Galli]

Yeah but he was a Scientologist so I'd won before that argument even began

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I've done it several times, with most people I meet on a daily basis in school have the intellect and depth of a two-dimensional boy from the caveman era.

Take this for example: I was talking to a friend of mine (he's not an idiot really, but he talked so dearly about something he doesn't even have any bloody information about), and we were arguing over good game series. For some weird reason, he thinks that every FPS the latest years are ripping off Halo 3, and he doesn't even own a 360, he's only played parts of the multiplayer with me and some friends, and he hasn't even seen that many FPS's.

Doesn't it strike anyone as a blind shot for someone to accuse Rainbow Six Vegas 2, a tactical modern-day shooter on Earth, with normal army weapons, fighting some secret organization or something (haven't played through the game), to be a rip-off of Halo 3, an FPS with purple, weird-shaped weapons set 500 years in the future, where you fight against some big alien cult that believe that rings equals gods? It's like comparing Gears of War to Doom! I know that it's fun to argue, but if you haven't got information about any games, you already know that you will lose against someone who's played games his entire life! This is just like categorizing an entire game genre as a ripoff of the first game IN the genre! Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to hit my head with a frying pan.

EDIT: Thanks for correcting me, curlycrouton.

Um, it IS ripping off of Halo. Have you ever played the original Rainbow Six games? NOTHING like RSV. The original games had no regenerating health, no 1-on-30 terrorist hunts, and a hell of a lot more weapon and ammo loadout selections.

That's one of the biggest things I've seen Yahtzee be right about: games are trying to be like Halo (even if it's subconscious). I feel bad for not reading the thread before posting, but you are accusing your friend of being an idiot, and he isn't exactly wrong. There is a lot more to "being like Halo" than just the space-age setting. Gameplay mechanics, weapon selections (it doesn't matter if they are spitting plasma or bullets if they do the same thing functionally), health systems, grenade mechanics, and melee options all come into play when making a FPS. If more than a few match Halo closely, he's got an argument.

Ok, I put my hands up and call myself busted. There is no denial that a lot of games take inspiration from Halo, but it's difference in taking inspiration from gameplay mechanics and ripping off everything, which my friend is accusing games for. If you look at most FPS games, they inherited the original Halo: CE mechanics, but why wouldn't they? I do agree that the first Halo was innovative, but so many games have used the same formula for how an FPS is supposed to work after that that it doesn't have any means to be defended anymore. It was an original new idea, but it was just a matter of time anyway until someone came up with it. It's like accusing every FPS to be a ripoff off Doom, cause it was the first to come up with the idea. Nobobdy really makes a big deal out of it anymore. And let it be remembered that he said that every FPS for the 360 is ripping off Halo 3.

To say it quick now, Halo was innovative, with new ideas and mechanics, but nobody cares that most games uses it ideas now, cause without them FPS gaming wouldn't work properly.

Good, as long as I'm glad to see I'm not arguing with an idiot

There certainly are things that are just a "given" when it comes to making a FPS, and since Halo did it first and well enough to get recognition for it, I can see where the argument does seem baseless. I wasn't knocking you for that part.

I certainly enjoy some of the "ripped off" aspects in newer games. RSV is a fun game, but if I was more of a purist, the changes would have pissed me off. Whether or not you want to chalk it up to being "moar liek halo" or just good gameplay design, it's up to you, but I'm of the mentality that everyone is trying to be like Halo, so we aren't seeing any shooters that feel different at all. FPSs have always been dry because of the sameness of gameplay across titles. The original RS was refreshing because you got hit once, and you were dead. You also got a squad to do your mission with instead of just one man. Some FPSs innovate new (and not always improved) ideas, and it bums me out that no one is trying anything new since Halo.

My favorite FPS titles to this day are still the ones that are farthest from Doom, and are all older than Halo.

I feel that RSV seems to use other aspects as well that the Halo universe doesn't. For example, the "taking cover"-technique. That's one aspect that I've always loved, thus making also Gears of War one of my favorite games ever (not an FPS, I know, but I'm trying to make a point here). Also, the unit controlling (while a little bit too retarded for me in this particular game, it's a cool concept). These might be taken from other games, but it's nice to see more individuality in games. But honestly, my favorite FPS is already decided, and it's without a doubt Metroid Prime.

 

[Vrex360]

A better example, I remember once when I was getting into a conversation with a friend about misogny and exploitation of women. HE said everyone in the world wants women to lap dance them. I said:
"A gay man wouldn't."
Then he had difficulty working out exactly why a gay man would not be interested in a woman's butt no matter how 'sexy' it was.
I kept saying:
"If he likes men he wouldn't want a naked woman in front of him rubbing her tits in his face, it would be the equivilant of a heterosexual man getting another man's balls rubbed in his face... he wouldn't like it."
Still no avail, once again I gave up and instead the conversation turned to... what's the best sport?

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Yeah. My fucking Computing teacher.

 

[ssgt splatter]

yep and my brain hurt afterwards

 

[AbsoluteVirtue18]

I just walk away. If it's on the internet I've started doing this:

So of course then comes the Naruto remarks, etc.