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[Yoshi178]

I saw you can play Gamecube and Wii games on the Wii U as well. I never played the Viewtiful Joe games and I'd love to play them, and getting a Wii U is a way to play them. I would've had a Wii U by now if Nintendo didn't make me buy a tablet I don't want to use the system.

actually that's not true. Wii U is backwards compatible with Wii Discs but not Gamecube Discs. the only gamecube games playable on Wii U are those Zelda Wind Waker and Twilight Princess remasters they did.


fucking retarded they didn't even give us digital Gamecube games on the virtual console though. especially since they even made that Gamecube controller adapter for Smash Bro. would have been perfect for virtual console Gamecube Games. maybe we might see Gamecube Virtual console on the Switch at some point hopefully.









as for the tablet itself, aside from the L & R buttons being awkwardly placed the way they are above the ZL & ZR buttons i found the Wii U Gamepad to be one of the comfiest controllers i've ever had with on the Gamecube, Xbox One and Xbox 360 controllers being comfier.
everyone says the Switch is a great size but i actually find it a bit awkward in handheld mode and even with the joy cons on their own. playing with the Joy Cons in the Grip is the comfiest way i find playing this system. everyone says the Wii U Gamepad was too big but i personally found it to be a great size with the Switch being a bit too small if anything.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

actually that's not true. Wii U is backwards compatible with Wii Discs but not Gamecube Discs. the only gamecube games playable on Wii U are those Zelda Wind Waker and Twilight Princess remasters they did.

as for the tablet itself, aside from the L & R buttons being awkwardly placed the way they are above the ZL & ZR buttons i found the Wii U Gamepad to be one of the comfiest controllers i've ever had with on the Gamecube, Xbox One and Xbox 360 controllers being comfier.

Well, the Wii U plays Gamecube games unofficially as it was quite easy to stumble upon Googling 'Wii U backwards compatibility'.

It's more so about having to pay for something I don't need than how comfortable or uncomfortable it is.

 

[Yoshi178]

actually that's not true. Wii U is backwards compatible with Wii Discs but not Gamecube Discs. the only gamecube games playable on Wii U are those Zelda Wind Waker and Twilight Princess remasters they did.

as for the tablet itself, aside from the L & R buttons being awkwardly placed the way they are above the ZL & ZR buttons i found the Wii U Gamepad to be one of the comfiest controllers i've ever had with on the Gamecube, Xbox One and Xbox 360 controllers being comfier.

Well, the Wii U plays Gamecube games unofficially as it was quite easy to stumble upon Googling 'Wii U backwards compatibility'.

It's more so about having to pay for something I don't need than how comfortable or uncomfortable it is.

Bayonetta 2 you don't need a Wii U Gamepad. Wonderful 101 is pretty unplayable without one though. the entire game was built around the use of that touch screen.

 

[gorfias]

Tokyo Mirage Sessions is going to have to be something I play, but since it's tied to the Wii U it might end up being a worse value purchase than my Vita.

It has an aggregate score of 80. Sounds OK.
Do you have PS+ and any other PS systems? $50 a year (going up to $60) I?ve got PS4, PS3 and Vita games that come in each month (virtually nothing of note in the last ?? except Severed for Vita which so far is very entertaining.)
And playing button mashers like G-ds Among Us remote on my Vita is fun when I can?t use the TV.
Wii U was a bit of a disappointment but I got it for $300, no online subscription fee and I bought a ton of games for under $20. Can?t say I regret the purchase.

Can I take a moment to find it funny that the Xbox 1 doesn't even have a dog in this argument? I find it hilarious if I'm honest because that system is a colossal turd box. I can't even remember when the last exclusive even came out for it. Halo 5? I think...yeha I'm pretty sure it's Halo 5.

Nope. Forza Horizon 3 which is likely the best looking racer I?ve ever seen by a lot. I love the gameplay on it too. For a $60 single purchase, I play on my PC when my kids won?t let me near the TV. Same for Gears 4. Next game I will want unless it is a bomb is Crackdown 3.

And that without saying I could spend those 300-400+ on a new computer
I guess my choice will go to pc unfortunatly, still not enough incentive to go to any console.

If there were a gun to my head with someone saying I can only have 1 gaming device, I?d go PC. I accidently have collected some 400 titles on Steam alone. I will never run out of things to play.
But you cannot take your PC with you like the Switch or 3ds. And console gaming is simple (do you own an older one at least? A 360 is like $80 and you can probably buy 20 more for $100 in buy 2 get 3rd free sales. Online fee stings a bit.)
Depends upon your needs. A good, not even great PC can provide you with some of the least expensive but great fun there is. But there are frustrations. I spent 10 minutes getting the video right on Doom just now. It was easily 5 minutes before I was actually in an online match. And I couldn?t hear or speak to anyone. Odd.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Bayonetta 2 you don't need a Wii U Gamepad. Wonderful 101 is pretty unplayable without one though. the entire game was built around the use of that touch screen.

Doing some quick googling, I've found some people say they prefer the pro controller for the game, but it definitely seems like you have to keep the gamepad near for certain things. I was planning to try to find a Wii U with a cracked screen gamepad on eBay, maybe not now.

 

[Yoshi178]

Bayonetta 2 you don't need a Wii U Gamepad. Wonderful 101 is pretty unplayable without one though. the entire game was built around the use of that touch screen.

Doing some quick googling, I've found some people say they prefer the pro controller for the game, but it definitely seems like you have to keep the gamepad near for certain things. I was planning to try to find a Wii U with a cracked screen gamepad on eBay, maybe not now.

you can play the Wonderful 101 with the pro controller or Wii U Gamepad analog sticks entirely for sure. however it really depends on the type of shape you're trying to do.

if your just trying to do like something really simple like straight line to make a sword or an L shape to make a Gun the analog sticks are the way to go.

however some shapes are much easier to just draw with your finger on the Gamepad such as a hammer. also the Wonder Whip and Wonder Claws are very similar shapes with Wonder claws being a Z zigzag type shape but the Wonder whip requiring an S figure type shape which is similar to a Z zigzig but not quite. so drawing on the Wii u Gamepad really helps to differentiate some shapes like that. especially in high pressure situations it just takes some of that fast paced battle pressure off the player.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

So despite my best interests I'm going to wade into this fanboy argument like a giant idiot. I own both a Wii U and a PS4 as well as many of the games being discussed.

Both systems have their merits but Nintendo can go fuck themselves with a rusty pole if they think I'm touching Mario...anything again.

Besides the Nintendo first party titles I have most of the top rated games and I REALLY enjoyed them all (well, except W101, but I never got into that properly and I need to go back to it sometime. Do feel like I've gotten 100 euros + 30 or so euros I paid for the 8 games I own for it? Absolutely. Well, except for ZombiU, but that was only 5 bucks so. Am I going to buy any more games? I'll probably buy Breath Of The Wild when (if ever) the price drops but I don't intend to buy any more games for it. I don't regret getting it at all. I definitely revisit most of the games again at some point

As for the PS4, I got it this time last year and handful of random games including Bloodborne and since about March last year it's been the Bloodborne Machine. Seriously, that game is probably my new favorite of all time but these last few months have been killer. Yakuza has been a favorite franchise of mine since I picked up the first one on a whim pre-owned in a 3-for-2 deal. Nioh is...alright. It's pretty samey and the equipment system is kind of a pain but struggling on a boss then beating it gives me the same feeling as Bloodborne did. I'm considering Horizon and still waiting on Nier to arrive, then there's Persona 5 in April.

The thing is, I own more games for the PS4 than the Wii U. The Wii U was saddled with too many multiplats whereas the PS4s library reminds me a lot of the PS1/2 days where the large library of games meant that there was stuff that appeals to EVERYONE even if they weren't all astounding masterpieces that altered the face of games deveopment. Half the games I own for it are nichey games no one talks because they were minor releases but I still enjoyed them regardless.

The Wii U doesn't really have that. You have your 10 or big releases then a bunch of lazy ports of AAA games. It's a shame it was never as loved by developers as the Wii. For video games, quantity absolutely wins over quality, because what people define as quality is subjective.

Also metarcritic is a cesspool and should never be used to prove a point about whether or not a game is good.

 

[Yoshi178]

the PS4s library reminds me a lot of the PS1/2 days where the large library of games meant that there was stuff that appeals to EVERYONE even if they weren't all astounding masterpieces that altered the face of games deveopment.

PS1 was awesome. PS2 was a glorified DVD player.

PS2 had great games as well sure. but that system had just as much shovelware on it as the Wii did. DVD players were a pretty new thing at the time so everyone gave PS2 a free pass because it had that feature.

actually now that i think about it. i remember there being quite alot of shovelware on PS1 as well. that said i was too young at the time to take proper notice of how things were back then.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

the PS4s library reminds me a lot of the PS1/2 days where the large library of games meant that there was stuff that appeals to EVERYONE even if they weren't all astounding masterpieces that altered the face of games deveopment.

PS1 was awesome. PS2 was a glorified DVD player.

PS2 had great games as well sure. but that system had just as much shovelware on it as the Wii did. DVD players were a pretty new thing at the time so everyone gave PS2 a free pass because it had that feature.

actually now that i think about it. i remember there being quite alot of shovelware on PS1 as well. that said i was too young at the time to take proper notice of how things were back then.

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs. If you were a gamer during the PS2 era, you literally needed a PS2 to play most games. The PS2 was just so dominant in sales and games that you were severely limiting your gaming if you didn't have one. Gaming was nothing like it is now where game versions for all major systems (PS4,X1,PC) release the same day.

Why would how much shovelware a system has matter? Whatever is the best selling system is going to have the most shovelware regardless whether PS2 or SNES. I guess PC is the worst gaming system with that logic because 40% of Steam's library are comprised of games that released in 2016.

 

[Zenja]

I remember growing up and looking at exclusivity with pride back in the NES, SNES and even in a little in the Gamecube era.

Having grown up you realize it's just flat out anti-consumer garbage to push system sales. When E3 Sony, Nintendo or Xbox conferences announces something as EXCLUSIVE...the crowd response SHOULD be overwhelming boos. It would be wonderful if we could create a movement where companies felt forced to release for all platforms because of the backlash that would happen if they don't.

Anti-consumer is a bit of a stretch, but more just a company profiting from its own hardware. You make a game console, then you decide to invest in games. Could Sony release Uncharted on Xbox? Yeah. Same with PC but then why bother to make a console and not just be a game publisher for PC? There is a market for consoles. Some people prefer that format even though it is now basically a crappy PC. Shopping for a console, interface, etc. is unique to the console vs. shopping for, interface, etc. for the PC. Some people prefer the console experience.

Exclusive games have a huge advantage of being developed and tested in a very controlled environment. (A 1 platform environment) They also utilize the purpose and market for consoles. If they didn't people wouldn't be complaining about it. They want it, but they dont want to have to pay the high cost of entry that is buying into new unique hardware. However, if games released on all platforms, consoles are merely limited access PCs. Then all console manufacturers should just be game publishers and people who like the console experience are just shit out of luck.

If exclusives are anti-consumer, then a slippery slop starts where consoles are anti-consumer even though many people want consoles. Then platforms like Steam become anti-consumer because they dont include every game for those that want it. But then an argument out there is that Steam is anti consumer because what if you want the game but not Steam. Even Steam recognizes the market for consoles with the Steambox as stupid as an idea as that is.

 

[Yoshi178]

I remember growing up and looking at exclusivity with pride back in the NES, SNES and even in a little in the Gamecube era.

Having grown up you realize it's just flat out anti-consumer garbage to push system sales. When E3 Sony, Nintendo or Xbox conferences announces something as EXCLUSIVE...the crowd response SHOULD be overwhelming boos. It would be wonderful if we could create a movement where companies felt forced to release for all platforms because of the backlash that would happen if they don't.

Anti-consumer is a bit of a stretch, but more just a company profiting from its own hardware. You make a game console, then you decide to invest in games. Could Sony release Uncharted on Xbox? Yeah. Same with PC but then why bother to make a console and not just be a game publisher for PC? There is a market for consoles. Some people prefer that format even though it is now basically a crappy PC. Shopping for a console, interface, etc. is unique to the console vs. shopping for, interface, etc. for the PC. Some people prefer the console experience.

Exclusive games have a huge advantage of being developed and tested in a very controlled environment. (A 1 platform environment) They also utilize the purpose and market for consoles. If they didn't people wouldn't be complaining about it. They want it, but they dont want to have to pay the high cost of entry that is buying into new unique hardware. However, if games released on all platforms, consoles are merely limited access PCs. Then all console manufacturers should just be game publishers and people who like the console experience are just shit out of luck.

If exclusives are anti-consumer, then a slippery slop starts where consoles are anti-consumer even though many people want consoles. Then platforms like Steam become anti-consumer because they dont include every game for those that want it. But then an argument out there is that Steam is anti consumer because what if you want the game but not Steam. Even Steam recognizes the market for consoles with the Steambox as stupid as an idea as that is.

1st party exclusives also mean more quality control because the company making the game also owns the hardware and they don't either the game or the console to look bad.

3rd parties couldn't give a shit how well a console does as long as their games sell and they get their money. they didn't make and manufacture the console. so the only reason they'd care about a console doing well is that a high console userbase means more potential customers for the 3rd party to sell their games to. that's it.

 

[Yoshi178]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

"Well OBVIOUSLY people who like games liked the console with the most games on it."

The PS4 has more games than the WiiU, therefore more people like the PS4, therefore the PS4 is the better console. Correct?

 

[SmugFrog]

I guess I have to try and borrow one from a friend

Good idea! Most of those Switch owners probably bought in now because of Zelda, and with Nintendo spacing out their releases they'll probably let you borrow the thing once they become bored of it.

Hmm... gotta friend someone in the area that bought the game now! XD

 

[SmugFrog]

Forza Horizon 3 which is likely the best looking racer I?ve ever seen by a lot. I love the gameplay on it too. For a $60 single purchase, I play on my PC when my kids won?t let me near the TV.

Is it cross compatible for multiplayer? I'd love to race my kids while they're playing it on the Xbaux.

 

[SmugFrog]

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

Yoshi's right, there was a mad rush to get the PS2 as it was close to the same price as a DVD player but also this new powerful gaming system. In the end though, despite the memorable games, it was up there with the Wii in the amount of shovelware that was on it. I can't tell you how many times I've seen obscure games for PS2 (bonus points when someone had a bag full of PS2 games and I don't recognize a single one).

However, the winner this generation for shovelware IS... PC! Thanks Steam and all those Indie Devs tripping over each other to be the next big thing!

About exclusivity: it's a good thing, IMO, for the hardware developers. It's the reason I really want a Switch for one game. I've followed Zelda since it released, played a few of the DS versions but left off with Ocarina of Time on N64, so perhaps it's time to look for a Gamecube/Wii and Wind Waker.

EDIT: LOL 3 in a row? Do I get an achievement? I usually combine all of my replies but I was on another page and didn't realize with all of my tabs open I kept finding and quoting good points in this thread.

 

[gorfias]

Forza Horizon 3 which is likely the best looking racer I?ve ever seen by a lot. I love the gameplay on it too. For a $60 single purchase, I play on my PC when my kids won?t let me near the TV.

Is it cross compatible for multiplayer? I'd love to race my kids while they're playing it on the Xbaux.

I don't know but from Origin and Steam, my prediction is that if they tried to play on Live, and I tried on PC, it would disallow it as a single account was being utilized :-(

Still want Crackdown 3!

 

[Yoshi178]

What?!?! PS2 was a glorified DVD?! Sure the DVD function helped Sony get more systems into more households, but that means nothing when looking at the game library. The PS2 is remembered fondly because of its game library, not that it played DVDs.

well of course videogame lovers praise the PS2 for the great games that Sony put out on it. casuals don't go on forums and post about games like we do.

PS2 was the Wii of it's generation though in that the main reason heaps of people even picked it up in the first place was because it was a 2 in 1 system in that it was both the newest Playstation videogame system. and it gave parents and casuals a really cheap dvd player to put under their telly.

"Well OBVIOUSLY people who like games liked the console with the most games on it."

The PS4 has more games than the WiiU, therefore more people like the PS4, therefore the PS4 is the better console. Correct?

that isn't even remotely close to what i said or meant.

obviously videogame fans who played games on the PS2 and enjoyed those games would praise those games. just like a videogamer who played Xbox or Gamecube games would praise the games they liked on those systems.

the number of games the systems library has, has nothing to do with people praising the games they simply enjoyed playing on the PS2

 

[Zenja]

PS2 may have had shovelware in amounts equal to the Wii, but its % of good games to the amount of shovelware was not the same. Nor was the reason behind the shovelware. None of them were cheaply produced games chasing the sales of gimmicky controls. Many unknown games were gems on the PS2. They were mostly low budget games but some of them were fantastic. I looked for hidden gems in the Wii catalogue and found nothing but a neat archery mini-game out of my whole attempt.

 

[Skatalite]

About exclusivity: it's a good thing, IMO, for the hardware developers.

Yeah it's obviously good for hardware developers. Not for gamers though.