F@#&-ing Pirates....

[zehydra]

F@#&-ing pirates, sinking all my ships... I'm gonna find their little cove and loot their lair once I find it...

Yeah, I hate media pirates too.

 

[Westaway]

http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf

 

[Hiphophippo]

I would argue that in most cases, a pirated game is not a lost sale.

Agreed, there's a difference between downloading something that a person that bought put on the internet and actually steal that thing from a store or something.

More than you know. Shoplift a few cds and get caught? Small fine. Maybe banned from the store.

Download the same cds and get caught by the RIAA? Sued for tens of thousands of dollars. Per song.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[Gindil]

Logical fallacies are not the way to go, brohan. And how do you know for a fact that you worker harder then someone with a well paying job? If you're getting that ripped off perhaps you need a new job. Or maybe you just need to stop wasting money on frivolous things until you're in a more stable environment.

Enough... Companies find ways to make money. The Humble Indie Bundle was 90% pirated but they still made over 1 million dollars in donations. Piracy is actually here to stay. There's quite a few contributing factors to it other than "it's easy to do." I'm aware that the costs of gaming are more expensive in other countries. Brazil comes to mind. The ways that companies can make money are to let go of DRM and find newer business models.

Would I pay for Icewind Dale if I could find it? Yes. Would I pay for it when it's $300? There had better be a Drizzt and Cattie Brie doll with it.

From your logic there, it seems you're not aware of the economics of AxCx's situation. Maybe we should let him explain that before condoning his supposed "illogical" actions?

 

[Breadzombie]

Well , I live in a country where the average monthly wage is around 150$ (and we're in the EU ....) , so my priorities are bills , food , education and then games( I own 3 total). Pirating is nationally accepted (not limited to games) and there's even something like 2-3 torrent sites that everybody knows.

As I see it , if it wasn't for torrenting I wouldn't have bought them anyway and the only 3 I would have - I did.So it's more like a win(and not live a boring life playing minesweeper and watching TV all day) - lose nothing at all (the publisher that is) situation.

Gaming isn't some god given right, it's a luxury. If you weren't going to get them anyway like you say then you really have no right to play it, no matter how you try to rationalize it. However since you did download it, it means you did have some intention to play or get it which means you're just being cheap/lazy.

You know, a lot of people say that. Gaming not being a god given right and all. But you need to realize that many dont give a shit. People dont have enough money to buy games, they still want to be entertained so they will download the game. Im not going to argue any points here (I dont think anyone is intrested in reading 2 pages of some communist blabbering about equality), but people like gaming, if they cant affort it, they will download there games. Accept it. Remember that (this is aimed at the thread creator) wanting to have fun does not make you an evil person. Ergo, downloading games does not make you a devil.

Actually doing something illegal is pretty bad, brah. Even if it's technically a victimless crime and you're not doing it out of malicious intentions.

I for one also think it does have a victim, the people who buy the game legitimately to promote the economy and the companies who make games. After all, it's not very fair that so many people get the games for absolutely free with no repercussions at all, riding off the backs of those who do pay. But this is entire paragraph means nothing "fair" has absolutely nothing to do with anything, it is simply my thoughts and feelings on the subject. After all if everyone pirated it wouldn't be long before the companies that work so hard to create those games you thanklessly get for free went bankrupt.

Well then, it isnt "fair" if I work just as much, and harder, than someone with a well paying job, and still cant afford games. Since you brought the word "fair" into it.

I dont want too put myself on moral higher ground or pretend im a badass rebel, but the law doesnt interest me much. I trust myself too decide if something is acceptable. So, anything illegal is bad, brah? Yeah, everyone knows smoking weed is the worst thing you can do. Just like not paying your taxes. Imagine, if everyone stopped paying there taxes the government couldnt fund killing brown people in sandy countrys! Tragic.

Illegal =/= Evil and Legal =/= Good and righteous.

EDIT: Brah.

Logical fallacies are not the way to go, brohan. And how do you know for a fact that you worker harder then someone with a well paying job? If you're getting that ripped off perhaps you need a new job. Or maybe you just need to stop wasting money on frivolous things until you're in a more stable environment.

World doesn't work like that , kid.Hope you never have to realise it.

 

[Ruka]

Start a thread about piracy and *bling*, get some archievments!

www.gamefly.com/ is cheap. Any other will do also.

But I pirate PC Games a lot, because they suck the most.. In 10 Years there were only 2 fucking consolegames which were fucking worth it. Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls.

I'm not giving money for such shit. Puplishers penetrate the developers to have a game that is produced cheap and fast.

oh, I forgot something..

..yarr

 

[_Cake_]

Maybe they weren't going to buy the game regardless. Heck it could add to the game's popularity. They could be getting an install base for the next one. Word of mouth from a friend is supposed to be the biggest influence on people buying games. You never know.

 

[Denamic]

I'm not sure how people figure piracy hurts the gaming and movie industry so grievously to begin with.
I mean, they're bigger than they've ever been before, and they're still growing even larger.
If piracy really did hurt them so much, then they would quite literally be impossibly large without piracy.
They'd be making more money than exists on the planet.

Spoiler: Kinda relevant, I guess

 

[KingTiger]

Well , I live in a country where the average monthly wage is around 150$ (and we're in the EU ....) , so my priorities are bills , food , education and then games( I own 3 total). Pirating is nationally accepted (not limited to games) and there's even something like 2-3 torrent sites that everybody knows.

As I see it , if it wasn't for torrenting I wouldn't have bought them anyway and the only 3 I would have - I did.So it's more like a win(and not live a boring life playing minesweeper and watching TV all day) - lose nothing at all (the publisher that is) situation.

Gaming isn't some god given right, it's a luxury. If you weren't going to get them anyway like you say then you really have no right to play it, no matter how you try to rationalize it. However since you did download it, it means you did have some intention to play or get it which means you're just being cheap/lazy.

Actually gaming is a god given right. Everyone deserves to try a piece of heaven. In my country pirating is legal and is a way of life for many poor workers. If games were given to everyone...there would be no war, only in the computers! Taliban would be waging Jihad in COD. I am Arabian so I would know. Now if only some companies made games cheaper...or like valve release games for free such as portal and Alien swarm.

"Thou shalt play PC games all the time" would be my first commandment if I ever made my own religion.

 

[Durxom]

The thing is pirating does effect some stuff. I mean would you really want to release another game in a series if your last title, ended up being one of the top stolen titles of the year =/

Spoiler

A lot of people are wanting this, people who bought the game legitimately and want the sequel, which everyone else got....but trying to ask for something, when you have such a massive barrier around you like that, is hard =/ Hopefully Capcom will release it eventually but it still is a big problem

 

[Breadzombie]

Another logical fallacy, how cute. Just how does the world not work like that? It's a pretty well known fact that if you don't spend money on frivolous things, such as video games, then you'll have more for important things

Well, it's the opposite for me.If I didn't spent my money on the important things I would have money for games.Bills,food and textbooks are literally the only things I can afford to spent money on.

and you pretty much can't guarantee that you work harder than someone in a higher paying job unless you spend more time monitoring them then you do working, in which case I must question your work ethic.

I'm studying economy so I can definitely tell you that more than 50% of the economy worldwide (70+% here) is in the grey area, so ye I'm pretty sure that me working my ass of at a construction site is far more hard work than let's say taking bribes under the table for a mear signature.

Or are you talking about my suggestion of getting a new job? In which case that would depend mostly on the situation of your local area, but there probably are other jobs to look out for. By sitting there simply saying "The world doesn't work like that" you are refusing to do anything about it yourself and are only adding to your own problems yourself.

That's what I was talking about and no there aren't other jobs to look out for.I have been looking for months and I only got the one I'm currently on by chance.

Also, don't concern yourself with my "problems" and how I deal with them.

 

[Gindil]

The thing is pirating does effect some stuff. I mean would you really want to release another game in a series if your last title, ended up being one of the top stolen titles of the year =/

Spoiler

A lot of people are wanting this, people who bought the game legitimately and want the sequel, which everyone else got....but trying to ask for something, when you have such a massive barrier around you like that, is hard =/ Hopefully Capcom will release it eventually but it still is a big problem

I still think that's not the problem [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/06/file-sharing-has-weakened-copyrightand-helped-society.ars]

I mean seriously... Modern Warfare has made over 1 billion dollars in revenue. Source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_2#Sales_and_revenue]

Street Fighter 4 is about to be upgraded to Namco vs Capcom.

Companies need to move forward, not worry about just the games now. All of those games are going strong. The connection of downloading hurting these games still isn't there.

 

[Breadzombie]

Internet isn't exactly "basic living", and for the record neither is cable or video games or other unnecessary things. But on the subject of fairness, as I said the word "Fair" is worthless in every meaning of the word, I wasn't actually creating an argument out of fairness.

Yes,it is.I would actually have to spent way more than 12$( what I'm paying for internet ) to communicate with people , find information for university et cetera. As for cable I don't even own a TV.

 

[Gindil]

Finland makes it a rule to have internet [http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/15/finland.internet.rights/index.html]