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TOGSolid

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AverageJoe said:
Boohoo.

Glad I pirated both Resi 5 and SF4 and realized I didn't like them rather than spend my money on them.

However, I pirated DMC4 and found out I thought the game was pretty good. I then proceeded to buy the game on Steam.



Ironically, out of the 200+ games I own for the PC alone, almost all of them I pirated first, and then proceeded to buy. Most of them I would never have bought without trying them first. Including DMC4.

As a result, since I started pirating I am buying more games than ever before.

But it's cool, you can keep thinking piracy is irrefutably evil, and I will keep pirating, buying more games than most people on this forum, and laughing at the ignorance :)
Except piracy IS bad. Just because YOU are a legit purchaser doesn't mean the majority is. The majority of pirates will never buy the game. Not all piracy is a lost sale, but most of it is and that shit needs to stop now.

Yes, the companies need to get back to releasing demos and not staggering their releases so that PC gamers get fucked, but on the other hand gamers need to stop being whiny fucking bitches with entitlement issues and stop fucking things up for those of us who actually care about our chosen hobby and do buy things legitimately.
 

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This issue is seriously pissing me off..

As some may know, I am a Capcom fan, I love their games. And I own most of their newest games for PC, (ie. DMC4, RE5, and SF4)

But my pet peeve on this..is that those games were amazing, and also went and get released on the PC as well as the consoles, but because they were so awesome, both RE5 and SF4 became one of the top pirated games of 2009. Leaving Capcom now afraid to released both games new content (RE5 DLC, and SSF4), because of either poor sales or just fear of pirates.

I legally purchased my game, and know I am left out of future releases because a bunch pricks were too lazy to actually spend to buy something they wanted. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone on here, and this might just be a pointless rant...but this is serious infuriating me
If they're not gonna buy it anyway, which lets admit it, pirates aren't in most case. Then they're facing low sales regardless. I don't know how expensive console-PC ports are, I lack the technical mind, but if its relatively cheap I don't see any reason they would hesitate because of this. The new gen consoles have yet (as far as I know, with the exception of X-box maybe) to be manipulated by pirates, so if the games make successful sales on Consoles and have already been made, supposing the port to PC isn't to expensive they shouldn't be too hesitant to bring it out on PC (though they should probably wait a few months).

Maybe get and play on a console since you don't mind spending money?
 

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Im not gonna lie, I pirate everything but games. Not going to bother explaining why I pirate the other things because i will just get flamed, but I dont pirate video games because I feel the price is justified and the experience is worth the price of admission.
 

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Good luck stopping them, because piracy is an issue that will almost never be controlled. You just have to deal with it. But it isn't just PC games being pirated, even though it is a majority.
And if you really dislike it, pirate the arcade version and play it on PC. Oh the irony.
I don't know, governments are starting to get more on the ball with tackling piracy so who knows, in a few years the rate might be right down, in Europe anyway.
 

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i buy some games...at least as many as i can!

and tbh the ones i truly like i buy. Day of Defeat 1.3 and source, UT3, HL1 and HL2, nightlong grim fangando neverwinter etc... etc...

the one i feel ashamed of still not buying is the Witcher , but i will buy the collection edition this summer so :S


you can download illegaly games from Valve...but you still buy them later on, why is that? legit content (servers, little games, updates etc...) are very nice and user friendly... when you buy a game like Ghost Recon 2 advanced warfighter... you expect something from them like support and constant stream of online players to keep the game alive... they just cant give you that! (and yes i was fooled into buying this...)

why buy a game (on the release day...) from 60 euros to play for a month or two while there are still available servers :S

most developers are like:

1- make a product
2- sell it
3- forget this one (and dont give players the ability to mode the game)
4- make a new one
5- repeat from 2... etc...etc...


i hate that -_-

games like diablo, cs, dod, etc.. are good because they are not forgotten in a long range of time (by the developer teams and the users community) this makes them a MUST buy for me
 

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Except piracy IS bad. Just because YOU are a legit purchaser doesn't mean the majority is. The majority of pirates will never buy the game. Not all piracy is a lost sale, but most of it is and that shit needs to stop now.
I have no doubt I am in the minority. However, what other pirates do is irrelevant to me. Yes I am fully aware that piracy overall is a bad thing. But I am not 'everyone else' I am me... The simple fact remains that since I started pirating games while keeping my moral standards I have bought twice, three, or four times as many games as I used to buy before I pirated anything. This isn't my opinion this is fact; I used to buy about 1 game every 2 months - these days depending on the release cycle I am more likely to buy one or two games a month since I have the opportunity to play them through first and decide if they are worth paying for. It's not an excuse or scapegoat for my actions, these are genuine observations, in the past few years alone I have bought 100+ games on Steam and plenty of disk versions too. Whether you believe me or not is your choice, but since I know I am buying much more and supporting more developers that's all that really matters, and my conscience is clear.

So, at least in my case, piracy is not bad. I have no doubt piracy is bad overall but you must understand it isn't really quite as black-and-white as you think.

Woodsey said:
If you want to know whether you want to buy a game or not, read reviews, get recommendations and play demos if available; the rest of us manage it just fine. In 7 years I've made maybe 4 dud purchases, and they're because I didn't research things properly beforehand.
This argument always annoys me a little because it is really very subjective. My tastes happen to be very very picky, and although researching a game and reading reviews helps (I always read reviews even before I pirate anything) it's often not enough to even make me remotely sure if I will really enjoy a game all the way through (happens all the time, a recent example was reviews and other gamers opinions of Uncharted 2 which let me to believe the game was phenominal; I played it through a few weeks ago and found it underwhelming). I also happen to believe the majority of games released are crap and I am usually unwilling to take risks on my purchases, save for some very rare exceptions where I am almost certain I will love a game.

As for demos, well, there is not only the fact that most games don't seem to get demos anymore (at least on the PC which is my primary platform) but also the fact that demos tell me almost nothing about a game. Combined with reviews that can be useful but only to a certain point; they tell me how games play and how they feel, but they don't tell me if the game is going to take a sharp turn down shitty-street halfway through, which a lot of games do. Or simply become repetitive after a while, the story gets dull, levels become uninteresting, etc. And reviews can't answer any of that for me either because it is mostly just subjective of how we view things.

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So, how is it really a bad thing if I am buying more games because of it?

Anyway my point is not that piracy is not bad overall; I am aware that it shouldn't exist in the long run because most people don't care and just abuse it. I agree it should be illegal and fines should be given to people who are caught. But at least in some cases in the hands of responsible people who give a shit it can not only be a useful tool but also fuel even more purchases. Assuming the reader of this believes what I have wrote about how I personally handle piracy, that fact cannot be denied. So you can keep being anti-piracy, but please dont automatically condemn a pirate before finding out a little more information about how they do things.
 

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TOGSolid said:
Except piracy IS bad. Just because YOU are a legit purchaser doesn't mean the majority is. The majority of pirates will never buy the game. Not all piracy is a lost sale, but most of it is and that shit needs to stop now.

Yes, the companies need to get back to releasing demos and not staggering their releases so that PC gamers get fucked, but on the other hand gamers need to stop being whiny fucking bitches with entitlement issues and stop fucking things up for those of us who actually care about our chosen hobby and do buy things legitimately.
Have you really not paid attention to the people in other countries such as Brazil or the UK who can't afford games because of the higher price?
 

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Altorin said:
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Not G. Ivingname said:
dududf said:
Piracy is also on consoles fyi.
Yes, but consoles are much easier to protect and thus most piraters just don't bother since the PC is much easier to work with.
Actually, it quite easy to do it on all the consoles, minus the need for a Blu-Rat burner (PS3 games)
and the bandwidth to download games which allegedly fill BLuray discs.. I know my ISP would throw a conniption fit if I downloaded 50gb in one month on one file.
haha wow last 31 days I've uploaded & downloaded over 1,2 TB. Unlimited ftw
 

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Tubez said:
Altorin said:
Rocket Dog said:
Not G. Ivingname said:
dududf said:
Piracy is also on consoles fyi.
Yes, but consoles are much easier to protect and thus most piraters just don't bother since the PC is much easier to work with.
Actually, it quite easy to do it on all the consoles, minus the need for a Blu-Rat burner (PS3 games)
and the bandwidth to download games which allegedly fill BLuray discs.. I know my ISP would throw a conniption fit if I downloaded 50gb in one month on one file.
haha wow last 31 days I've uploaded & downloaded over 1,2 TB. Unlimited ftw
lol That's pretty ballsy of you. Pirate Five!!
 

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Woodsey said:
AverageJoe said:
Boohoo.

Glad I pirated both Resi 5 and SF4 and realized I didn't like them rather than spend my money on them.

However, I pirated DMC4 and found out I thought the game was pretty good. I then proceeded to buy the game on Steam.



Ironically, out of the 200+ games I own for the PC alone, almost all of them I pirated first, and then proceeded to buy. Most of them I would never have bought without trying them first. Including DMC4.

As a result, since I started pirating I am buying more games than ever before.

But it's cool, you can keep thinking piracy is irrefutably evil, and I will keep pirating, buying more games than most people on this forum, and laughing at the ignorance :)
You're ignorant if you think you're at all in the majority.

Regardless of whether you buy the games or not, the copy that you pirated is still viewed as a lost sale by publishers. They can't just divide the numbers and estimate how many people might have pirated it and then bought it after.

If you want to know whether you want to buy a game or not, read reviews, get recommendations and play demos if available; the rest of us manage it just fine. In 7 years I've made maybe 4 dud purchases, and they're because I didn't research things properly beforehand.

To others in regards to the argument that people wouldn't buy it if they couldn't pirate it, that's not even the point. The point is that you own something which you should have paid for. Just because you wouldn't if it weren't free is almost irrelevant.
I agree completely. There are more than enough resources out there for you to find out whether or not a game is good. Also have you ever heard of renting?
 

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TOGSolid said:
Except piracy IS bad. Just because YOU are a legit purchaser doesn't mean the majority is. The majority of pirates will never buy the game. Not all piracy is a lost sale, but most of it is and that shit needs to stop now.

Yes, the companies need to get back to releasing demos and not staggering their releases so that PC gamers get fucked, but on the other hand gamers need to stop being whiny fucking bitches with entitlement issues and stop fucking things up for those of us who actually care about our chosen hobby and do buy things legitimately.
Have you really not paid attention to the people in other countries such as Brazil or the UK who can't afford games because of the higher price?
When the fuck did gaming become a basic human right? You are NOT ENTITLED to play a game just because it was released. By your logic it should be ok to steal sports cars just because you can't afford them.

Boo fucking hoo, if gaming is so important that you just have to have it, then get a god damn job you vagrant. It's not food or a roof over your head.

AverageJoe said:
I have no doubt I am in the minority. However, what other pirates do is irrelevant to me. Yes I am fully aware that piracy overall is a bad thing. But I am not 'everyone else' I am me... The simple fact remains that since I started pirating games while keeping my moral standards I have bought twice, three, or four times as many games as I used to buy before I pirated anything. This isn't my opinion this is fact; I used to buy about 1 game every 2 months - these days depending on the release cycle I am more likely to buy one or two games a month since I have the opportunity to play them through first and decide if they are worth paying for. It's not an excuse or scapegoat for my actions, these are genuine observations, in the past few years alone I have bought 100+ games on Steam and plenty of disk versions too. Whether you believe me or not is your choice, but since I know I am buying much more and supporting more developers that's all that really matters, and my conscience is clear.

So, at least in my case, piracy is not bad. I have no doubt piracy is bad overall but you must understand it isn't really quite as black-and-white as you think.
Did you even read my post or did you just only read the "piracy is bad" part and then decide to post? As I already said:
The majority of pirates will never buy the game. Not all piracy is a lost sale, but most of it is and that shit needs to stop now.
I acknowledge that there is a minority of pirates that do go out and buy the game once they've tried it, but that still doesn't justify piracy as a whole. Like I already said (again with that phrase), companies need to get back to the good ole days where damn near every game had a demo released for it. That'll at least soften the piracy rates a bit, but it certainly won't fix them as a whole.

Frankly I'm honestly embarrassed for the gaming community in general. The attitude of self-righteous entitlement that comes spewing out of you people anytime piracy comes up is just pathetic.

And people wonder why I never admit to playing video games in public. Yeesh.
(Sorry for the late response, I work on a ship and do not have an always on internet connection.)
 

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Dude. Capcom doesn't even port them to PC. The ports are shitty. They really aren't even worth pirating, let alone buying. Get an xbox.
Umm, what are you talking about?

The last few titles by them(since Lost Planet 1), the ports have been incredible, and have been praised for being incredibly optimizied, running as well or better than the console versions, and each one of them has had bonus PC exclusives to them that the normal console versions couldn't handle.

And I would rather not go and waste about 300$ just to play a console I don't want for games that I do want =/
What I was saying is that Capcom has nothing to do with the porting process. They export that shit. And are you saying that the DMC ports were good? Because they were fucking abysmal. How about the RE4 port which didn't even change the quick time even buttons? Capcom is terrible with porting games.
 

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A few things. First take a deep breath. Feel better? Good. If the only thing you can do is try to attack a person rather than their position, you've already lost your argument.

TOGSolid said:
Gindil said:
TOGSolid said:
Except piracy IS bad. Just because YOU are a legit purchaser doesn't mean the majority is. The majority of pirates will never buy the game. Not all piracy is a lost sale, but most of it is and that shit needs to stop now.

Yes, the companies need to get back to releasing demos and not staggering their releases so that PC gamers get fucked, but on the other hand gamers need to stop being whiny fucking bitches with entitlement issues and stop fucking things up for those of us who actually care about our chosen hobby and do buy things legitimately.
Have you really not paid attention to the people in other countries such as Brazil or the UK who can't afford games because of the higher price?
When the fuck did gaming become a basic human right? You are NOT ENTITLED to play a game just because it was released. By your logic it should be ok to steal sports cars just because you can't afford them.

Boo fucking hoo, if gaming is so important that you just have to have it, then get a god damn job you vagrant. It's not food or a roof over your head.
Obviously you missed the point of what I was saying about price. Higher prices of games in these countries leads to less people playing them. As has been demonstrated in the last 5 pages of just this thread, some people aren't going to pay for a game that's $100 in their country. So the whole "entitlement" issue isn't mine. Just an observation that I saw from people that seem to want to say "piracy is bad". Furthermore, when people are making the choice of food and roof, the piracy of a game doesn't seem as big of a deal.

Personally, I don't quite understand why people continue to use the "steal a car" thing. Here's a suggestion: Watch this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSQQ1NqOaA4]. A lot better when it's been corrected. And just to make it up to date about this supposed piracy thing:

Sales of games are up 3% since reported in April: Source [http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28120/NPD_Industry_Sales_Up_6_As_PS3_Software_Shines_With_God_Of_War_III.php]

Movies are sitting at $11.11 billion dollars since June: Source [http://www.the-numbers.com/market/]

Music industry has been improving, at the expense of the Big labels: Source [http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/the_record_business_blues] The Big 4 are getting smaller but there are now a lot more independents around.

In all of these areas, people are more than likely downloading and sharing data. Your entire argument is to say that somehow this sharing is bad. I'd sure love to hear exactly how.
 

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Don't bring up the music and movie industries because they're completely separate entities and business models and have 0 to do with this discussion.

Your entire argument is to say that somehow this sharing is bad. I'd sure love to hear exactly how.
Should I link you to Ubisoft's batshit insane DRM scheme? Or how about the whole garbage with online activation plans?

My problem with piracy has everything to do with its reprocussions in the gaming industry. When the suits look at their profits and then look at the piracy rates, they don't ponder "hrm, what can we do to make pirates buy our game" they instead go "OH GOD MUST STOP" and then start swinging a sledgehammer around wildly without any care for who it hits.

Sales of games are up 3% since reported in April: Source
Nice attempt at inflating your argument with a bullshit link. That report is from when God of War 3 came out and concerns console games, which I don't give a flying fuck about. You don't see companies going apeshit with draconian DRM schemes and restricting releases on consoles now do you?

Nope, and that's why piracy pisses me off so bad. I've been watching the PC platform get sucker punched from two directions over and over. One from the consequences of the rampant piracy, and the other being from the dumbing down of gaming in general during this hardware generation. Yeah, yeah, PC Gaming: Happily dying from 1985, but even the staunchest defender of the PC has to admit that as a platform, we do have some problems to deal with. Yes, I know piracy isn't black and white and that the companies are to blame for helping to perpetuate the problem, but that doesn't keep it from being a problem and one that seriously affects the PC.
 

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TOGSolid said:
Gindil said:
Don't bring up the music and movie industries because they're completely separate entities and business models and have 0 to do with this discussion.

Your entire argument is to say that somehow this sharing is bad. I'd sure love to hear exactly how.
Should I link you to Ubisoft's batshit insane DRM scheme? Or how about the whole garbage with online activation plans?

My problem with piracy has everything to do with its reprocussions in the gaming industry. When the suits look at their profits and then look at the piracy rates, they don't ponder "hrm, what can we do to make pirates buy our game" they instead go "OH GOD MUST STOP" and then start swinging a sledgehammer around wildly without any care for who it hits.

Sales of games are up 3% since reported in April: Source
Nice attempt at inflating your argument with a bullshit link. That report is from when God of War 3 came out and concerns console games, which I don't give a flying fuck about. You don't see companies going apeshit with draconian DRM schemes and restricting releases on consoles now do you?

Nope, and that's why piracy pisses me off so bad. I've been watching the PC platform get sucker punched from two directions over and over. One from the consequences of the rampant piracy, and the other being from the dumbing down of gaming in general during this hardware generation. Yeah, yeah, PC Gaming: Happily dying from 1985, but even the staunchest defender of the PC has to admit that as a platform, we do have some problems to deal with. Yes, I know piracy isn't black and white and that the companies are to blame for helping to perpetuate the problem, but that doesn't keep it from being a problem and one that seriously affects the PC.
Hmmm... Obviously civilized debate doesn't work with you because you can't seem to let go of the notion to act like a civilized person. I don't have to sit here and curse at you. *shrug*

Piracy isn't just a debate about games, which is why I brought up the other areas. People, like you, are complaining that piracy is killing industries, when the evidence shows otherwise. That's what I was refuting.

And I'm aware of Ubisoft's DRM. I've commented on it. I also know about Spore's DRM (failed miserably) and almost every DRM scheme has been defeated because they give nothing in return. Consoles have the problem of releasing unfinished games then patching them until they get it right. That's even more insane [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102103-Codemasters-CEO-Beat-Piracy-With-Unfinished-Games]

For all intents and purposes, the main DRM scheme that continues to make money is Steam [http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=26158]. As I've said before in this very thread, The PC isn't dying, it's just changing with the times [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.218474-F-ing-Pirates?page=4#7369025]. I'm sure Steam has already been cracked 20 ways from Sunday, but it continues to give with the free weekends, free games (Alien Swarm just came out), discounted older games, and continuous free updates. Which other game company does that?

Finally, new numbers should be coming out in August in regards to videogame sales revenue but I found a better chart. Consoles [http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/80885/npd-tallies-june-2010-video-game-revenues-in-the-usa-market/?utm_source=twitterfeed]

It seems that rather than the industry for the PC is being hurt, the people within it are shifting to social gaming. Source [http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100721.html]. If piracy is supposedly "killing the industry" then why is it that people continue to purchase software and more people are making money?

It should be interesting to see what happens with Blizzard's SCII. So far, no piracy yet but there are a few problems. EULA is a stranglehold, no LAN, and no one can hold a tournament without Blizzard's say-so.