Fallout: are the roots of classic RP completely extinct?

[73loup]

Fallout: Tactics isn't bad, but it's different. It's a turn-based RPG that's built on squad-based combat set in the Fallout universe. So you maintain a squad/platoon of soldiers composed of dogs,people, undead, and super-mutants choosing who you want to go into a specific mission based on a point system and proceed to complete the missions objectives. It's kinda cool, but very easy to paint yourself into a corner, so to speak, if your best guy dies and you can't get through a mission.

 

[Gigatoast]

Obvious troll is obvious?

Besides i'm a 21 year-old computer nerd. You missed your mark.

Nah, just kiddin' ya. I don't have a problem with old-school RPGs, I'm just sick of people talking about them.

 

[Vern5]

Sorry for re-posting, apparently, I have put my poll in a wrong category earlier.

I have finished Fallout 3 earlier, i thought it was awesome, then came Fallout NV, i was disappointed, completely... Then i thought, hmm, shouldn't there be Fallout 1 and 2? I got me Fallout 1, and... I had the most fun out of a video game in years. I just got sick of those action rpg's, fps's and mumorpugers... And i coudnt find anything remotely similar to this turn based rpg style, at least not in the last decade.

Leave your suggestions and whatnot

The only games that have come up so far are Planescape something and Arcanum sumthin-sumthin, are they good ore even better than Fallout?

Considering New Vegas' writing, faction/morality system (actually representing reality for one, not "here is neutral, here is evil, here is good"), completely customizable endings (as opposed to "bad, good and neutral" in 3), highly improved follower/companion system, etc, I'm continually baffled at the minority of people who believe that Fallout 3 is better than New Vegas.

In any case, I don't have that many suggestions for you. I'm with you: there's nothing recent that's quite like FO 1 and 2.

Diablo II? That's pretty addictive. I think I need to replay it as soon as I can get people to LAN with me. Yeah it's a bit swords and sorcery, but I've never been into that crap either, but Diablo II did it for me.

The fallout 3 vs Fallout New Vegas argument is never the same from person to person. I personally enjoyed NV a lot more but only when I felt the need to roleplay because there are so many thoughtful options for RP in that game.

However, Fallout 3 will remain superior in one regard: map design. You see, Fallout: New Vegas is built as a circuit. You have to travel all the way around the Mojave to get to Vegas, which is where all of the best action is happening (ring a ding ding). It makes the game very linear and repetitive if you're playing through again. Fallout 3 instead places the play character in the center of the map and lets you expand from there. While the Lone Wanderer will undoubtedly always end up heading into DC to forward the main quest, they don't absolutely have to. Instead of heading south east into DC, one could start exploring North or West and not be savaged by valleys full of deathclaws almost immediately.

Fallout 3 lets you explore while New Vegas holds your hand and guides you along. Both are good and bad for different reasons. Its almost like differing modes of parenting.

 

[Vern5]

Obvious troll is obvious?

Besides i'm a 21 year-old computer nerd. You missed your mark.

Nah, just kiddin' ya. I don't have a problem with old-school RPGs, I'm just sick of people talking about them.

I hear ya. It gets tiring when everyone goes into blinded nostalgia mode, right? It's still nice to have an open mind though. For example, I like the entire main series of Fallout, from 1 to New Vegas, equally.

 

[sushkis2]

You could try playing Fallout: Tactics, though I heard people didn't like it as much.

Ooh, yes, that one I avoided, cuz I'm not into squad games.

Fair enough. What really struck you as great about Fallout 1 & 2? Was it the gameplay control (the turn based combat and isometric view)? Was it the deeper feeling of the world (you know how everything has a little description and the message log is hilarious)? Or was it the post-apocalyptic setting (my personal favorite)?

Everything of listed above AND the way quests go, never before was i so challenged to make the right decision, whether i steal that guy's wife's ashes or whatever else goes, and the unique char creation.

So this thred is basically just an excuse for 30-year-old computer nerds to shout out their favorite low-budget, low-quality time sinks that where apparently too niche to be remembered by history.

Oh yeh, I went there. Whatyougunnado?! *air guitars*

(no I'm not talking about fallout -_-)

LOOL I'm 17, I play lots of CODMW2 (cuz i see no difference between MW2 and BO, so i didnt buy BO) and, this is the kind of game where you really must use strategy, and this is the variety i've been looking for, aside from quick time events and mindless shooting!

 

[sushkis2]

You could try playing Fallout: Tactics, though I heard people didn't like it as much.

Ooh, yes, that one I avoided, cuz I'm not into squad games.

Fair enough. What really struck you as great about Fallout 1 & 2? Was it the gameplay control (the turn based combat and isometric view)? Was it the deeper feeling of the world (you know how everything has a little description and the message log is hilarious)? Or was it the post-apocalyptic setting (my personal favorite)?

Everything of listed above AND the way quests go, never before was i so challenged to make the right decision, whether i steal that guy's wife's ashes or whatever else goes, and the unique char creation.

So this thred is basically just an excuse for 30-year-old computer nerds to shout out their favorite low-budget, low-quality time sinks that where apparently too niche to be remembered by history.

Oh yeh, I went there. Whatyougunnado?! *air guitars*

(no I'm not talking about fallout -_-)

LOOL I'm 17, I play lots of CODMW2 (cuz i see no difference between MW2 and BO, so i didnt buy BO) and, this is the kind of game where you really must use strategy, and this is the variety i've been looking for, aside from quick time events and mindless shooting!

 

[Wolfram23]

So this thred is basically just an excuse for 30-year-old computer nerds to shout out their favorite low-budget, low-quality time sinks that where apparently too niche to be remembered by history.

Oh yeh, I went there. Whatyougunnado?! *air guitars*

(no I'm not talking about fallout -_-)

lol.

That seems to happen in every single "suggest a game" thread.

"Oh, you should play this one from '98! It was fucking awesome!!!!one"

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

Considering New Vegas' writing, faction/morality system (actually representing reality for one, not "here is neutral, here is evil, here is good"), completely customizable endings (as opposed to "bad, good and neutral" in 3), highly improved follower/companion system, etc, I'm continually baffled at the minority of people who believe that Fallout 3 is better than New Vegas.

In any case, I don't have that many suggestions for you. I'm with you: there's nothing recent that's quite like FO 1 and 2.

i've found that confusing as well. the only valid argument i've heard for the F3 > F:NV argument is the quality of the protagonist. yes, F3 has a more interesting, well-rounded protagonist, even if it is basically just a whiny little daddy's boy/girl. since the protagonist in F:NV has NO personality (aside from your own), i can grant that as a fair point.

OT: Yeah, Fallout 1 and 2 are awesome. Fallout Tactics is still pretty damn fun, even though the writing is piss-poor.
Planescape: Torment is a must-play, and even if you don't like "fantasy" it's different enough from most fantasy that you should still enjoy it. Morte is pretty much the best NPC companion ever.

 

[Keava]

You could try playing Fallout: Tactics, though I heard people didn't like it as much.

Ooh, yes, that one I avoided, cuz I'm not into squad games.

Actually it wasn't disliked that much. Tactic's was quite decent continuation of Fallout with it's own storyline focused on Brotherhood of Steel. It had same combat system as previous Fallouts just allowed more customization when it comes to your party. It was bit less focused on world interaction however since you just went between missions from your base rather than exploring all the towns.
It was Fallout oriented on combat but still closer to Fallout 1 & 2 than F3 is.

 

[sushkis2]

That seems to happen in every single "suggest a game" thread.

this isn't only a suggest a game thread, check the title, we can also discuss, why the roots of classic turn based RPG like fallout are extinct.

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

Wow, nobody has mentioned Neverwinter Nights!

For SHAME!

Its Baldurs Gate, but in shiny 3D!

Avoid the sequel though.

But in recent memory, Dragon Age: Origins is probably the closest to that "classic" feel.

 

[sushkis2]

Wow, nobody has mentioned Neverwinter Nights!

For SHAME!

Its Baldurs Gate, but in shiny 3D!

Avoid the sequel though.

OH, LORDY I tried that once... will never again (as I mentioned, I'm not into BioWare stuff, especially lately, as I got majorly disappointed by Dragon Ages and Mass Effects)

 

[sushkis2]

OH, now there's a question, why Van Buuren was never released, I tried a tech demo/beta or something, i found it quite interesting, if not completely AWESOME!!

 

[Vibhor]

Arcanum would soothe your itch but stay away from Planescape torment. It is a masterpiece story wise, gameplay wise though not so much.

Obvious troll is obvious?

Besides i'm a 21 year-old computer nerd. You missed your mark.

Nah, just kiddin' ya. I don't have a problem with old-school RPGs, I'm just sick of people talking about them.

I hear ya. It gets tiring when everyone goes into blinded nostalgia mode, right? It's still nice to have an open mind though. For example, I like the entire main series of Fallout, from 1 to New Vegas, equally.

Oh I don't know. I mean, people have different tastes you know.
That is why some people(idiots I call them) hate daikatana.

 

[sushkis2]

Fair enough. What really struck you as great about Fallout 1 & 2? Was it the gameplay control (the turn based combat and isometric view)? Was it the deeper feeling of the world (you know how everything has a little description and the message log is hilarious)? Or was it the post-apocalyptic setting (my personal favorite)?

OH YEAH, there's that vault-tec guy, which is on your avatar lol.

 

[Togs]

Is called progress- video game RPG's were initially pretty much just digital versions of the tabletop ones that inspired them, with time video game RPG's have evolved into their own beast thanks ot the different strengths and weaknesses inherent within them.

Theres been no big AA old style RPG's because noones yet worked out how to modernize the formula, and when they try to work it out folks tend to whinge like spoilt children.

 

[Gigatoast]

Like I said, I don't have a problem with retro games, so long as they are ACTUALLY GOOD. Not just promoted by people blinded by nostagia. Games didn't get any better or any worse since the ye olde 90s, they should be judged by the same standards we use today.

Anyway, just because a game has neiche appeal doesn't make it a good game. If you're looking for suggestions for 20 year old RPGs that don't know the meaning of the phrase "accessable" then whatever. But I would sooner recommend taking up chemestry, it's just as exiteing, and you'll probably make more money at it too.

 

[Salad Is Murder]

XCom is the best old-school tactical RPG ever made. It might be the best game ever made, period. Why do you say period, and then end with a '.'...doesn't that seem redundant?

 

[Togs]

Like I said, I don't have a problem with retro games, so long as they are ACTUALLY GOOD. Not just promoted by people blinded by nostagia. Games didn't get any better or any worse since the ye olde 90s, they should be judged by the same standards we use today.

You cant hear it, but Im clapping loudly and enthusiastically to this post.

FSM bless you Sir, FSM bless you.

 

[Gigatoast]

Also, WTF ESCAPIST?!

I got put on probation for speaking my mind?