Fallout: are the roots of classic RP completely extinct?

[sushkis2]

Well the thi8ng is New Vegas doesnt revolve around relentless, never ending slaughter. Now if you went into it expecting a genocide simulator like most modern RPGs I can see why you'd be dissaopointed but that's just not the sort of game Obsidian were making.

Well, if they were making it like classic Fallout... I thought, that we left the atmosphere and the setting and whatnot of the originals when FPS combat was introduced

 

[sushkis2]

I lol'd at you talking about RPing and thinking Vegas is worse than Fallout 3 in that respect, and then you thinking Fallout 1 is 'classic RPing' made me lol harder than I've ever lol'd before.

Huh? your comment made no sense to me.. Anyways, I'll tell you, why I think NV is worse than FO3

Well, here I am, playing, FO3 for the second time, then I heard of FNV, i shat bricks... After like half a year of waiting, watching the same trailers over and over, then it finally came... then I found, that it is just the same as FO3, with less of those random encounters, or i could even say, enemy encounters in general, as i got to lvl20 in 10 hours, i bough the anti materiel rifle, LMG, went to the Caesars legion wiped everybody out, and... thats it, that was endgame for me, as i thought, i'd hit the best moment in the game...

Oh, and there's one more thing, where did all the awesome super mutant encounters go? One of the only reasons, i kept playing FO3, was to wipe out hordes of Super mutants, to see their brains cover the asphalt.

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If you think it's "exactly the same" you weren't paying nearly enough attention.

For starters, factions.

Also, Vegas is much closer to the original Fallouts you so loved, especially with the massive reduction in Super Mutant encounters.

Read my last comment Also, I'll mention it again, the super mutant encounters, was what kept me playing FO3 lol

 

[Gill Kaiser]

Wow, nobody has mentioned Neverwinter Nights!

For SHAME!

Its Baldurs Gate, but in shiny 3D!

Avoid the sequel though.

What? Neverwinter Nights had a festering turd of a campaign. That game was mainly a toolset for creating DnD games, at which it excelled. Since the OP has stated he doesn't like fantasy settings and is looking for games similar to Fallout 1, I'd say that NWN is a bad idea. If he's not willing to try Baldur's Gate 2, one of the best classic RPGs ever made, he's not going to want to play its retarded stepcousin.

I'd second the Planescape: Torment recommendation. I'd also suggest you rethink your aversion to the Baldur's Gate series.

 

[Hop-along Nussbaum]

Old school?

If you truly want old school, go to Barnes and Noble, or other local book store, buy a few Dungeons and Dragons books. Then grab and pencil, character sheets, and some graph paper and a few friends and play some classis D&D. I still have my first D & D character in a book somewhere at home. Gary Gygax is a god. RIP.

Anyway, as far as turn based RPG, Final Fantasy is going to be your best bet. But, since you say you're not into the "fantasy swords...and stuff" then you're pretty much out of luck, since the "post Apocolypitic fantasy" genre starts at Doom and (so far) ends with Fallout NV, which was a let-down.

If you like First person shooters with a hint of RP and an adventure that is sort of apocolyptic, try Borderlands. I have beaten Borderlands about a dozen times and still have fun with it.

 

[sushkis2]

Old school?

If you truly want old school, go to Barnes and Noble, or other local book store, buy a few Dungeons and Dragons books. Then grab and pencil, character sheets, and some graph paper and a few friends and play some classis D&D. I still have my first D & D character in a book somewhere at home. Gary Gygax is a god. RIP.

Anyway, as far as turn based RPG, Final Fantasy is going to be your best bet. But, since you say you're not into the "fantasy swords...and stuff" then you're pretty much out of luck, since the "post Apocolypitic fantasy" genre starts at Doom and (so far) ends with Fallout NV, which was a let-down.

If you like First person shooters with a hint of RP and an adventure that is sort of apocolyptic, try Borderlands. I have beaten Borderlands about a dozen times and still have fun with it.

Well, ive beaten Borderlands as well, and i actually have no friends who could enjoy bourd games in general, and, you cant even buy anything like that in our country lol.

AAAND, this is what i also feel about FNV,

Quoting Yahtzee: "Thats right, it's a fan game!!"

 

[Axolotl]

Quoting Yahtzee: "Thats right, it's a fan game!!"

aHow can it be a fan game? It's from guys who worked on the originals.

 

[sushkis2]

Quoting Yahtzee: "Thats right, it's a fan game!!"

aHow can it be a fan game? It's from guys who worked on the originals.

Meaning, it's made to please fans a little bit, not made by fans

 

[Dexiro]

I can only say, that im not into all that fantasy swords and magic stuff, and especially bioware rpg's.

May I ask why? Baldur's Gate isn't far from the Fallout 1&2 that you fell in love with, infact they're made on the same engine. It'd be a shame to turn down some equally great games simply because of their theme.

 

[Clockwork Scarecrow.]

I can't stand most "classic" RPG's. I tried playing Fallout 1 after Fallout 3, and I couldn't bear it.

You kids these days have no appreciation for older games, shame upon you all.

 

[sushkis2]

I can't stand most "classic" RPG's. I tried playing Fallout 1 after Fallout 3, and I couldn't bear it.

You kids these days have no appreciation for older games, shame upon you all.

I completely agree, I pity them fools! XD

 

[Bostur]

I am guessing that the things you liked in Fallout was the originality, the humor and that it expected you to think and show some initiative, and not so much the technical genre.

Others have recommended X-Com, and I agree thats an excellent game if you can get hold of it somehow.

Another quite old game is "Grim Fandango". Its not an RPG at all, its a graphical point and click adventure. It's very clever, humorous and with a very unique setting you probably never tried before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_Fandango


If you are not completely turned of by first person perspective and real time games, I can recommend System Shock 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2

It looks like a very typical sci-fi shooter/rpg, but that changes after a while and it becomes a very unique game. This is kind of the forefather to Mass Effect, except much more original. Its also quite scary in places.

 

[AlternatePFG]

I lol'd at you talking about RPing and thinking Vegas is worse than Fallout 3 in that respect, and then you thinking Fallout 1 is 'classic RPing' made me lol harder than I've ever lol'd before.

Oh, and there's one more thing, where did all the awesome super mutant encounters go? One of the only reasons, i kept playing FO3, was to wipe out hordes of Super mutants, to see their brains cover the asphalt.

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Well, the reason there is hardly any super mutants is because they were almost completely wiped out by the end of Fallout 1. There was alot more skill checks and instances of avoidable combat in New Vegas, and the game was better for it. Fallout 1/2 weren't very combat heavy, and if you wanted to, you could avoid many enemy encounters by using your skills.

Edit: Anyway, I recommend Planescape: Torment. It's not your typical fantasy fare.

 

[Clockwork Scarecrow.]

Like I said, I don't have a problem with retro games, so long as they are ACTUALLY GOOD. Not just promoted by people blinded by nostagia. Games didn't get any better or any worse since the ye olde 90s, they should be judged by the same standards we use today.

Anyway, just because a game has neiche appeal doesn't make it a good game. If you're looking for suggestions for 20 year old RPGs that don't know the meaning of the phrase "accessable" then whatever. But I would sooner recommend taking up chemestry, it's just as exiteing, and you'll probably make more money at it too.

It's got nothing to do with "nostalgia", it's a game that takes skill and tactics, it still looks fantastic and I'm pretty sure if one was to judge it by today's standards well I can think of several games that it would beat.
It's not about niche appeal, Fallout, and many games from the nineties are part of gamings history and as for it being "accessible"? What? That doesn't make any sense, it's much less complicated than the crap they pack into most modern RPGs where you have to choose what fucking star sign you are in order to receive some arbitrary bonus.
Get some perspective son.

 

[sushkis2]

I am guessing that the things you liked in Fallout was the originality, the humor and that it expected you to think and show some initiative, and not so much the technical genre.

Others have recommended X-Com, and I agree thats an excellent game if you can get hold of it somehow.

Another quite old game is "Grim Fandango". Its not an RPG at all, its a graphical point and click adventure. It's very clever, humorous and with a very unique setting you probably never tried before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_Fandango


If you are not completely turned of by first person perspective and real time games, I can recommend System Shock 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2

It looks like a very typical sci-fi shooter/rpg, but that changes after a while and it becomes a very unique game. This is kind of the forefather to Mass Effect, except much more original. Its also quite scary in places.

OOH, :O dont mention system shock 2 !! Whenever Yahtzee mentioned it, i got the bluest of balls(BTW cuz of Yahtzee, i took it from my old Box of PC games and got it up, and still play it,(even played today lol)it took a while to get it running on Win7, with all the mods and fixes and whatnot) , and, speaking of Grim Fandango, i liked secret of monkie island better

BABIES MUST SLEEEP!!


(uugh, sends shivers down me spine ever since)

 

[sushkis2]

I lol'd at you talking about RPing and thinking Vegas is worse than Fallout 3 in that respect, and then you thinking Fallout 1 is 'classic RPing' made me lol harder than I've ever lol'd before.

Oh, and there's one more thing, where did all the awesome super mutant encounters go? One of the only reasons, i kept playing FO3, was to wipe out hordes of Super mutants, to see their brains cover the asphalt.

END OF LINE

Well, the reason there is hardly any super mutants is because they were almost completely wiped out by the end of Fallout 1. There was alot more skill checks and instances of avoidable combat in New Vegas, and the game was better for it. Fallout 1/2 weren't very combat heavy, and if you wanted to, you could avoid many enemy encounters by using your skills.

Now that's the problem, see, i didnt want to avoid combat with all the awesome weapons lol

 

[sushkis2]

Also speaking of system shock 2 and looking glass, any way I could get thieves 1 and 2 running on win 7?

 

[Bostur]

OOH, :O dont mention system shock 2 !! Whenever Yahtzee mentioned it, i got the bluest of balls(BTW cuz of Yahtzee, i took it from my old Box of PC games and got it up, and still play it,(even played today lol)it took a while to get it running on Win7, with all the mods and fixes and whatnot) , and, speaking of Grim Fandango, i liked secret of monkie island better

BABIES MUST SLEEEP!!


(uugh, sends shivers down me spine ever since)

Haha youre not easy to please, the hallmark of a true connoisseur. If you liked some of the Lucasarts games did you try "Day of the Tentacle"? The humour is in a similar silly style as Monkey Island series, but better in my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Tentacle

When I see the box of SS2 it still sends shivers down my spine ;-)

 

[Judgement101]

First I have to say something: A game being old does not mean it is good. Fallout 1 and 2 are NOT this supremely excellent game that people on this site are making them out to be.

OT: RPG is now "Hurry shoot that guy! Oh noes karma loss"