Fallout Canada???

[Composer]

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IM ALL FOR IT!!!

 

[Canid117]

I thought the backstory said every Canadian died in the nuclear war

 

[Silva]

Yes there is. Many of the reoccurring character, themes, and factions are tied to the American setting. Making a Fallout game outside of America would throw all of this away. The company Vault-tec is one the first things many players would think of when you mention Fallout. Outside of America, Vault-Tec would be completley absent. The games biggest icon would not be present. You can't say that wouldn't be a problem.

Why would Vault-Tec have to be absent? Super-national companies are not a new thing at all, you know, and Vault-Tec need not be an exception. I should also point out that a tonal change is not a tonal destruction. Not all changes in tone would ruin the franchise. They might make it less consistent, and more diverse. That's all you can guarantee. The rest is up to designers and the specific choice of setting.

I may be wrong, but I don't think they did in the Fallout universe. Judging by what I remember from the intro to the first game, the European commonwealth fell apart long before the nuclear war due to a lack of supplies and infighting. So they were not in any sort of golden age. Other countries did not follow the same path as America, which is one of the reasons they are rarely mentioned. They had already fallen apart.

Very little is said about the rest of the world in Fallout 3 (we know the fate of Canada and China, but if there's anything more it's in the DLC I refuse to pay extra for), but you may be right about that. There's still the option of a retroactive continuity, though, if Fallout actually has managed to be consistent this far. Or they could just go back in time a few steps until it's more appropriate to show the other locations within Fallout lore. There are many ways to scale a wall.

You're saying they should abandon all of the reoccurring themes of the game just to appeal to a larger audience. That would not be a good thing.

I think it's far too early to tell if it would be good or not. For those of us who are not American and thus do not require everything to be set in our own nations, it would be a welcome change. Closing your mind to new ideas; now there's something you can definitely tell is "not a good thing".

I was merely pointing out that it would make good business sense, not that a larger audience is always a good thing from a consumer standpoint. It's only a good reason for the developers to look into it.

 

[Jack_the_Knife]

I guess just for the sake that it might be a bit more difficult than dealing with American cities, which could be justifiable targeted and bombed to smithereens(or at least enough to keep our national monuments looking dusty). Toronto or whatever city might have some structural damage from the conflicts and occupations, and would be irradiated. So there might be something interesting about dealing with a mostly intact if irradiated city.

I mean, sure, Canada was absorbed or annexed into the U.S. in the Fallout Universe if my memory serves correctly. Of course, given the prioritizing of a nuclear bombardment, would the Chinese really be interested in bombing Canadian cities instead of Alaska, Cheyenne, the West Coast and the East Coast?

I'm not sure how impressive it might be, beyond seeing the war-torn architecture of (insert Canadian city here), since we got plenty of that in the 3rd installment, so I'm not sure how that might warrant a full-price game unless they cram some lengthy journey that doesn't involve a mutant uprising, the crazed remnant forces of the U.S., or restoring some aspect of nature vital to life. Maybe an expansion pack though.

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

For anyone who says Fallout 1 & 2 is better than fallout 3, (they are right) i'll say what the original makers said: "it is Bethesda's Fallout, it's not Black Isle's Fallout."

and about the thread, "Canada had been annexed as a state by the United States, involving both the oil crisis and the War with China. Alaska and Canada served as a front line during the war, because the oil interests vested in the north by the United States."

although it could possibly happen with the power armour resistance separatist group.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Canada

 

[Brotherofwill]

Americans, Canadians, and everyone else out in the world, what do you think? Isn't it time for some veriaty?

No

The Fallout series has always, and should always, taken place in America. This is for a reason. The game's setting focuses around an exaggerated American gold age that was devastated by nuclear war. The fate of other areas of the world is ambiguous for a reason. Think of all the reoccurring themes that have been shown throughout the series. Many of these are heavily tied to the American setting.

While Canada is a bit more reasonable than, say, China, I still think the Fallout games should stick to America. At least, that's my opinion. I don't think there is any reason to change the setting just for the sake of variety, since there are already tons of varied landscapes and cities here in America.

However I wouldn't mind briefly vising Canada in something like DLC. I just don't want a whole game set there.

Excellent point there. Completely agree. I'd love to see a rendition of Europe or Asia in a truthful, interesting post-apocalypse, but Fallout isn't and should never be fit for such a setting. It's beautifully tied into the whole American culture of the 50's, you can't remove it from that setting without loosing the wit and essence.

No offense here but what would there be to tell in Canada? I mean honestly? In Europe you'd have a number of amazing settings like post WWII Germany, or a struggeling Russia going through the motions of Communism. But Canada? C'mon.

Fallout is wacky, American satire. Let's leave it at that. Bethesda already muddled up Fallout 3 by making it way too grim and dark, I hope Obsidian goes back to a faithful rendition of the original pulp athmosphere.

I don't want to be that guy, but...

Although, a Guy Ritchie GTA universe would be fun.

Right after we get another British GTA game, guv'na

Bolded for her your pleasure ;d

Don't want to be that guy...again, but...

Hahaha, nice one.

 

[Zinaxos]

Fallout DC, Fallout New Vegas, how about a little love north of the boarder?

Fine most of our market is in the states yes, but already your doing polar opposites of the country so why not explore a little and have some veriaty. Everyone goes with cities we all know from movies and practically every other video game in a run down city ever made.

Am i Canadian? Yes, Do i hate America? No, it's a great place and the cities are great to explore but really how much longer do i have to explore the same place again and again.

Vegas, L.A, San Fran, New York, and DC, ever seen any other american city in a game? NO

Overall though i think a Fallout Toronto could be awsome. Gouls lurking in abandoned subway stations, the skydome transformed to some massive fortress or gladiatorial arena, the CN Tower an inpenitrable base? or world's best sniper position?

There's are so many possabilities to be explored in all regards, new landmarks, new vehicles, new quests.

Steal an Avro car (an experimental flying saucer make by A.V. Roe for the us army) and zoom through the streets mowing down mutants.
Fight your way to recover the stanley cup from the hockey hall of fame, taking on hoards of gouls decked out in hockey gear armor.
Survive a trip to center island while desperatly defending the ferry from looters attacking anyone foolish enough to take to the water.
Wander the University of Toronto Campus searching for new tools and weapons. Or take sides in a local feud between the engineers and the artsies. (engineers woot! 40 beers)
Scavange through the Eaton's Center, or take out a local warlord holed up in city hall. (resident evil movie fans will recognize the building)
Canada's Wonderland....k i got nothing......over run creepy amusment park maybe?

Fallout 3 said (in loading screens) that Canada had been annexed by the US for our resources, well lets see it. was it invasion? Did we team up? Is their a resistance?

For anyone who's been to Toronto you know there's a ton of possabilities.

Yes this goes for any new city, Canadian or otherwise, but seriously cross the boarder.

Americans, Canadians, and everyone else out in the world, what do you think? Isn't it time for some veriaty?

I know what you mean. It has always bothered me that everything takes place in the states. I know that they are a large demographic but how about some stories that are told in Canada?

How about some that don't depict us as living in igloos or chopping wood or saying "eh" all the time?

Would it be so wrong for a tv show, movie, or video game to take place in Vancouver? How about Ottawa? They are large cities that are known.

I think people have a mentality that Canada is just boring or something. Like there couldn't be some murder mystery/serial killer on the loose in our country cause we are all too busy drinking beer and eating bacon.

There was a show not to long ago called The Listener, it was filmed in Canada and features, what I believe to be Toronto. And they might not say it but Fringe is filmed in Canada.

 

[Sharpe_116]

Certainly a cool idea, no pun intended...from a personal standpoint I'd be a fan, if for no other reason than I think the idea of a bleak and snowswept wilderness would very nicely convey the feeling of isolation from society that the rest of the Fallout series has always given me.

However, two problems arise. One is an entirely geeky one, namely that Canada as we know it no longer exists in the Fallout universe. Geographically it's still there, obviously, but politically speaking it was annexed by the U.S. not long before the Great War, so to my mind playing in Canada wouldn't be all that different from America, given that military takeover of a nation tends to lead to the fairly rapid integration of the conqueror's culture in the captive nation...witness the aftermath of the Battle of Hastings, for example.

My second problem with the concept is somewhat contradictory to my earlier sentiment of approval for Canada's relative wilderness compared to the U.S., namely that it might be TOO wild. Fallout has, to me, always been about the attempt to survive in a wilderness of our own creation. Yes, to be sure the series spends extensive time in areas of relative wasteland, but there's always a touch of former civilization hovering around the edges. Fallout's message, inasmuch as it can be said to have one, has always been to me one of hubris and its dangers. The constant presence of the last faded remnants of civilization in even the most remote areas of the Fallout wastes speaks to the foolish pride with which America overdeveloped itself, and the inevitable catastrophe that such reckless overgrowth led to. So to transplant that concept into a natural wilderness, such as exists still in large chunks of Canada...I dunno if it would work. Take away the man-made element of the waste, and really you might as well play Bloodmoon with AK's.

Er...just my two cents, of course.

How big would you expect the map to be >.< yes there is more than enough forestry in canada, but toronto for example, is a city. CITY. Fallout 3 was based around DC with the surrounding wilderness, toronto is also a city with a population of 2.5 mil, DC has 5 mil, The environment would be pretty much exactly the same considering not ALL of DC was explorable, only key area's, and the metro. I think people's views on urban canada are wildly exxagerated =(

 

[ethaninja]

Fallout Sydney Centerpoint Tower would be the best sniper spot. Teslstra Stadium would be the arena you speak of

The Business District would be the hot zone I guess

 

[nezroy]

If you want to experience Fallout: Canada, just go to downtown Edmonton. Tons of ghouls, drug addicts, trash, and dilapidated buildings. We even have the equivalent of Mr. Tenpenny as Daryll Katz, a guy who wants to use taxpayer money to build an arena (which we already have).

I was actually working on a mod/campaign set in Edmonton [http://falloutfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Edmonton] for Fallout 3 which never quite materialized. The downtown subway/pedway here makes for a great setting, and there's a lot of historical relevance for it that would make sense within the Fallout alternate history timeline. I might have to give it another whirl after New Vegas releases.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

I'd like to see Moscow or Chernobyl... err... wait... that would pretty much be STALKER... Oh, or Prague! Those are the 3 cities I would want to visit before I die...

 

[Edgley]

Ottawa, screw Ottawa.

Why not? Ottawa would be awesome! Shooting zombie Harper anyone?

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Personally, I want to see a Fallout set in Australia. Just because I want to see the law suits that Mel Gibson fires at Bethesda for "copying" Mad Max.

I'd love to see him try that seeing as he doesn't own the IP.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

And I am sure others outside of the US don't care either...

And too fucking bad if we did care.

We pretty much accept it and get our game on.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I mean, sure, Canada was absorbed or annexed into the U.S. in the Fallout Universe if my memory serves correctly. Of course, given the prioritizing of a nuclear bombardment, would the Chinese really be interested in bombing Canadian cities instead of Alaska, Cheyenne, the West Coast and the East Coast?

Considering the Chinese invaded Alaska and Canada sits between there and the rest of the continental US, they'd be pretty stupid not to want to fuck up Canada to slow down troop movements and such especially considering it was a US-annexed Canada.

 

[Mike the Bard]

I agree that a game up north like Canada would be a very interesting premise. but i think it would be more for the expansion of the lore, and full understanding of the fallout universe. Was Canada somehow spared from the nukes when China and America started to duke it out with nukes? If so how did the radiation affect the place? did the radiative particles that was launched into the atmosphere turn Canada an arctic nightmare, where you do not only have to fight for the basics like water, food, and still having all your limbs on you by the end of the day, But you also have to fight off the extreme cold that will be a result of a nuclear winter. Or will it be the usual sun-baked landscape that has practically become a staple for the series?
Another thought is how will the characters of the game be affected? Will the supers mutants (if there is super mutants up there or something even worse) will have adapted to the cold. will the hundreds of years of constant exposure to radiation soaked snow change how the human characters look? The point i'm getting after is that a game based in a totally different part of the world can show us things about the fallout universe that could have never been exposed to us in the usual settings (i.e major U.S. cities), but is still close enough to the united states that it can stilled be tied to the major plot point that are so common to the fallout universe. The Valts, enclave, and the brotherhood of steel.
With all these factors and a chance to expand the fallout universe to new levels, i think making a fallout game in Canada is a great idea if handled carefully.
Just as a side note, but on the topic of going to different areas of the fallout world. I think havening a dlc for an area for Europe would be very interesting. I don't live there, I'm just insanely curious about how things panned out over there when everything was going down the sink. Like what happened with the resource wars that were going on over there?

 

[neoontime]

I want a fallout in Pheonix, i mean at least it wouldn't be cold and you can play near a desert

 

[toadking07]

Let's see this!

 

[Korten12]

Yes there is. Many of the reoccurring character, themes, and factions are tied to the American setting. Making a Fallout game outside of America would throw all of this away. The company Vault-tec is one the first things many players would think of when you mention Fallout. Outside of America, Vault-Tec would be completley absent. The games biggest icon would not be present. You can't say that wouldn't be a problem.

Why would Vault-Tec have to be absent? Super-national companies are not a new thing at all, you know, and Vault-Tec need not be an exception. I should also point out that a tonal change is not a tonal destruction. Not all changes in tone would ruin the franchise. They might make it less consistent, and more diverse. That's all you can guarantee. The rest is up to designers and the specific choice of setting.

I may be wrong, but I don't think they did in the Fallout universe. Judging by what I remember from the intro to the first game, the European commonwealth fell apart long before the nuclear war due to a lack of supplies and infighting. So they were not in any sort of golden age. Other countries did not follow the same path as America, which is one of the reasons they are rarely mentioned. They had already fallen apart.

Very little is said about the rest of the world in Fallout 3 (we know the fate of Canada and China, but if there's anything more it's in the DLC I refuse to pay extra for), but you may be right about that. There's still the option of a retroactive continuity, though, if Fallout actually has managed to be consistent this far. Or they could just go back in time a few steps until it's more appropriate to show the other locations within Fallout lore. There are many ways to scale a wall.

You're saying they should abandon all of the reoccurring themes of the game just to appeal to a larger audience. That would not be a good thing.

I think it's far too early to tell if it would be good or not. For those of us who are not American and thus do not require everything to be set in our own nations, it would be a welcome change. Closing your mind to new ideas; now there's something you can definitely tell is "not a good thing".

I was merely pointing out that it would make good business sense, not that a larger audience is always a good thing from a consumer standpoint. It's only a good reason for the developers to look into it.

on the fallout wiki it said that vault-tec only made 122 vaults, all in the US.

 

[SirDerick]

When I think of the apocalypse and Canada (I live there) I think of left for dead and spending half the year bunkered down in a vault and the other half smashing frozen zombies with a hockey stick.