Fallout: NV.... Something very wrong.

[DustyDrB]

Copy and pasted environments? There's much more variation than Fallout 3 in that regard. Explore the northwest part of the map and then move downward, there's 3 very distinct areas. Then move east and you'll find more. Yeah, you have a big chunk of desert in the middle but that's the sort of thing you expect to find in the Mojave Desert.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I like how everyone keeps calling this expansion pack material. Never mind that this basically the ORIGINAL FO3 before black isle died. silliness. New Vegas has a shit-ton of problems but it a great game nevertheless. now back to my wolverine playthrough

 

[Ewyx]

OT: MY opinion on NW, is that it has the same problems that Fallout 3 had: It's fun (sure it is), but it's a cold fun. Not a waving experience, that makes you think or feel important like, for example, Dragon Age did.

Honestly, I'm really tired of all the 'save the world, you're the hero' crap. Sure, it seems like a good idea. But hell... It's boring, it's not personal, and most of the time, you don't even have a choice. I would LOVE to side with the darkspawn in DA:O, if not, mostly because everyone is a bit of an asshole in that game anyway. Also, by limiting you to act out as a noble hero, you cut out the interesting choices in the game. I think NV had a LOT of interesting choices you could make, I mean ok DA:O had SOME choices, like we kill this kid and you get to be a blood mage... eh I can dig it, but it's not something you really think about. I mean, I remember when I had to decide which faction I'd have to work for. I literally stopped playing for a few days because I had to think it over.

I hate how the games force you to play the hero (same with ME, but ok, that game is an interactive movie...). I want a quest that is about ME, about MY character and I will shape the world according to my own decisions, and if I want to fuck everyone up, so be it, if I want to be the savior I'll be that. Don't force me to save the world, especially if you make a world that I don't feel it's worth saving.

Greetings, my name is Acidstrider, Fallout fan since 1998, when i first played Fallout 1

...

I then martched bravely on toward New Vegas, the very place this game has been hyped up about, only to be instant killed by Death claws. Hm, odd... I said to myself, not knowing why they'd put such high leveled enemies, in the path of the very place, the game is named after. But I then crouched down, and snuck by them, after only two reloads I made it to New Vegas.

Wait, so you're bitching on the exact same mechanic (blocking off areas via powerful opponents) that was present in the original games, but not in the FO3? Wut? I think you probably never played much of the originals...

Also, I'm tired of level scaling monsters. If you allow players to kill off all monsters at level 1, there is no sense of progression. I just love the feeling of entering an area, realizing I am waaaaay too weak to handle it. Go back, do other quests, find better equipment, come back to the same area and kick some serious ass. It's really satisfying to do so. However, it's against the current trends of instant gratification.



Damn, I miss Black Isle. Golden era of RPGs is gone.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

You haven't gotten to Vegas yet have you where you have to make some REALLY interesting choices. Sure they always give you the option to be a humorous dick, especially early on, but later the questions become a lot more confusing and hard to settle on...

Take the "biggest" choice in the main story, I'll lay it down for you in Spoiler Tags...

Spoiler

Do you choose...

A) The Militaristic and Expansionist but Democratic and technically Freedom Loving New California Republic?

B) The Shadowy, Manipulative leader of New Vegas who wants to rule the world as a secret financial autocrat?

C) The Sadistic and Moralizing Caesar with his cult of personality and army of forcibly conscripted slaves?

D) or do you bring it all crashing down and become the leader of it all yourself?

Fallouts 1 and 2 certainly didn't give you options like that...

 

[Jazoni89]

my ps3 copy of Fallout 3 has locked up on me 3 times. and i can only name 3 bugs on the top of my head. one of them quest braking.

My Fallout New Vegas is the worst WORST ps3 game i have ever had in my computer. the crashed and lockups are in a word. unacceptable. and honest if Obsidian does not fix them soon i Will blacklist them for all eternity

oh and btw im hardcore fallout fan. but even i cannot endorse this S**t

A ps3 is not a computer.

If you are a "hardcore fan" as you say you are, you would looks pass the flaws of this game such as the bugs and glitches and have fun with it.

Obvious troll is Obvious.

(Damn Their's more trolls in this topic than the whole of middle earth.)

you are missing the point. Ps3 and xbox are "meant" to be perfect. there are no driver issues, compatibility stones and ect. games are not meant to crash on them. and you try to enjoy having 2 hours erased from your life due to some QA persons not doing there job in the first place

Consoles are in no way perfect they are sometimes hard to program for for one and their's many other factors you got to take in aswell.

For example Risen on the xbox 360 is one of the worst pc to console ports ever made and it has double the glitches and problems that the pc version has.

The only reason in fallout's case why the console ports of the game have glitches and bugs isn't a problem with the jump from pc to console but with Bethesda's admittedly shitty Gamebyro engine. If it isn't shit already the Gamebyro is not designed for use on consoles that the reason why the console ports have suffered.

but did you know what? I have had five crashes (that's right five) all in a space of a afternoon. Did you know what I did every time it crashed. No not go on a forum and rant about it or snap the disc in half but gave a huge sigh turned my ps3 off then on again and played it again. That's something I wouldn't normally do but with a game this good i really don't care if their's a few irregularities with my game. Sure their bad but unless you turn on autosave or you save often you will be ready to take more epic wasteland adventures from where you left off.

This day and age you can be lucky that the game can be patched in the olden days many games stayed glitchy and unfinished. Their's even old commodore 64 games that you couldn't complete because of a gaming bug or that the tape would refuse to load completely after waiting quarter of a hour for it to load.

The game is being patched more soon and maybe those freezes will be gone who knows, but please don't post about hating the game you are just ruining the experience for other people who do like it for what it is.

 

[instantbenz]

you've summarized why I didn't jump on the band wagon. I was super happy that I didn't get it as soon as I saw the bug footage and all of my friends complaining of corrupt game data and other randomness. why pay full price for something that takes weeks to debug? as I said in a previous thread on the subject 'It's like buying a car with an engine made of gummy bears.'

 

[Imbechile]

This pretty much sums up the whole fallout series. Was taken from the fallout forums on gamefaqs.

Bethesda never changes.

The end of the Fallout series occurred pretty much as we had predicted.

Too many Oblivion fanboys, not enough re-playability or story to go around. The details were trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely marketing ones. The internet was nearly wiped clean of old fanboys.

A great cleansing, an atomic game release struck by Bethesda's hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of a poorly made sequel rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in bad products and fell beneath the boiling oceans.

Fallout fans were almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background of Oblivion fanboys that blanketed the internet. A quiet darkness fell across the web, lasting many months. Few survived the devastation. Some had been fortunate enough to reach safety, taking shelter in great fan-made mods, and fansites.

When the great darkness passed, New Vegas was released, and the Fallout 1&2 fans emerged to begin their lives again. One of the Obsidian Entertainment developers claim they are one of the original developers from one such game. They hold that their founder and story writer, one known as the "Chris Avellone," once saved the franchise from a great evil.

According to their legend, this evil arose in the far east, in Maryland, Zenimax. It corrupted all it touched, twisting gamers inside, turning them into Oblivion fanboys. Only through the bravery of this ''Chris Avellone'' was the evil destroyed. But in so doing, he lost many of his friends and suffered greatly, sacrificing much of himself to save the gaming industry.

When at last he returned to the company he had fought so hard to evolve, he was criticized. Flamed. In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion. Forsaken by his fans, he strode into the wasteland. He had many interviews, until he came to one of the fansites. There, he founded a small community, NMA, where he lived out the rest of his years. And so, for a generation since its founding, NMA has lived in peace, its forums sheltering it from the outside Internet. It is home. Our home. But the scars left by Bethesda have not yet healed. And the fans have not forgotten.

Damn. Fantastic text.
OT:hahhaha. You are talking about new vegas being shallow, what about F3 then. That game is shallower than a kitten's pool

 

[TheRealCJ]

New Vegas is like Fallout 3, except MORE of it. If you liked Fallout 3, you will like New Vegas just as much.

And for the record: Fallout would not be Fallout with all the stupid bugs and glitches and whatnot.
I still don't like how Nuka Cola and Sunset Sarsaparilla apparently DEHYDRATE you for some reason or another.
Am I not supposed to be REFRESHED when I drink soda or other soft drinks?
Honestly now.

Actually, refreshment=/=hydration. Real-life soft drinks contain a lot of sugar, and are basically inabsorbable as a hydrate. So short-term you feel better, but your overall fluid levels are, for the most part, unchanged. It all just comes out as waste.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

troll is obvious troll.

but anyways the vanilla game is actually filled with more content than fallout 3, better check your data again there, and fallout 3 was a flat piece of crap so the shit was so spread out while new vegas has actual different land structures so shit isn't so spread out.

honestly it took me about 8 times to actually like fallout 3, before that i hated it every time, but i loved new vegas right away so that just proves its not an expansion pack and it actually is much better imo than the previous installment.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

You haven't gotten to Vegas yet have you where you have to make some REALLY interesting choices. Sure they always give you the option to be a humorous dick, especially early on, but later the questions become a lot more confusing and hard to settle on...

Take the "biggest" choice in the main story, I'll lay it down for you in Spoiler Tags...

Spoiler

Do you choose...

A) The Militaristic and Expansionist but Democratic and technically Freedom Loving New California Republic?

B) The Shadowy, Manipulative leader of New Vegas who wants to rule the world as a secret financial autocrat?

C) The Sadistic and Moralizing Caesar with his cult of personality and army of forcibly conscripted slaves?

D) or do you bring it all crashing down and become the leader of it all yourself?

Fallouts 1 and 2 certainly didn't give you options like that...

D) is not necessarily correct

Spoiler

It is more like: You accidentally unleash a smiley-faced fucking Skynet!

 

[Jazoni89]

This pretty much sums up the whole fallout series. Was taken from the fallout forums on gamefaqs.

Bethesda never changes.

The end of the Fallout series occurred pretty much as we had predicted.

Too many Oblivion fanboys, not enough re-playability or story to go around. The details were trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely marketing ones. The internet was nearly wiped clean of old fanboys.

A great cleansing, an atomic game release struck by Bethesda's hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of a poorly made sequel rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in bad products and fell beneath the boiling oceans.

Fallout fans were almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background of Oblivion fanboys that blanketed the internet. A quiet darkness fell across the web, lasting many months. Few survived the devastation. Some had been fortunate enough to reach safety, taking shelter in great fan-made mods, and fansites.

When the great darkness passed, New Vegas was released, and the Fallout 1&2 fans emerged to begin their lives again. One of the Obsidian Entertainment developers claim they are one of the original developers from one such game. They hold that their founder and story writer, one known as the "Chris Avellone," once saved the franchise from a great evil.

According to their legend, this evil arose in the far east, in Maryland, Zenimax. It corrupted all it touched, twisting gamers inside, turning them into Oblivion fanboys. Only through the bravery of this ''Chris Avellone'' was the evil destroyed. But in so doing, he lost many of his friends and suffered greatly, sacrificing much of himself to save the gaming industry.

When at last he returned to the company he had fought so hard to evolve, he was criticized. Flamed. In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion. Forsaken by his fans, he strode into the wasteland. He had many interviews, until he came to one of the fansites. There, he founded a small community, NMA, where he lived out the rest of his years. And so, for a generation since its founding, NMA has lived in peace, its forums sheltering it from the outside Internet. It is home. Our home. But the scars left by Bethesda have not yet healed. And the fans have not forgotten.

Damn. Fantastic text.
OT:hahhaha. You are talking about new vegas being shallow, what about F3 then. That game is shallower than a kitten's pool

Yeah it thought it was great too. He was actually quoting fallout 2's intro, but changing the words, but you probably knew that.

 

[SimuLord]

New Vegas is massively better written and more cleverly designed than Fallout 3 was, and has quests that really force the player to think. It also allows for more replayability because there are so many ways to make a character and the constricted skill development means being a jack-of-all-trades isn't an option.

Fallout 3, on the other hand, is just more fun in the pure sense. I could (and do) listen to Galaxy News Radio for hours without getting sick of it, and Three Dog is one of my all-time favorite game characters. His infectious enthusiasm permeates the game world and makes it feel more like a place I want to spend (virtual, not real!) time. Sure, the quests are shallow as a kiddie pool but the gameplay's crisper and more streamlined.

Truth be told, I love both games. And if New Vegas gets a few DLC packs and works the bugs out, it's got a chance to be an all-time classic like its predecessor.

 

[Lordmarkus]

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Go North West, You will find an old friend.

Ahh damnit, now I have no reason to keep playing! Darn you!

 

[Mordwyl]

People complain about the similarity with Fallout 3, yet they have no problem with iteration x of the Call of Duty series at all?

 

[Vibhor]

Fallout new vegas for me was like fallout 2
Fallout one started it all and fallout 2 was kind of remastered version with better story more humor more stuff to do and obviously more bugs.
For me any fallout game without gamebreaking bugs is not a fallout game at all.
Thats the reason I hated tactics and BOS.
Fallout 3 is new gens fallout 1 and fallout NV is new gens Fallout 2
OMG! History is repeating itself!11!11!!!11!!

 

[Vivace-Vivian]

I loved Fallout 3, to death.

I don't love New Vegas, for many of the reasons you stated. Some people are just more critical than others.

 

[nuba km]

Ok, Fallout New Vegas has been out for a while and everyone seems to love it. My question is why ? People seem to be running around blinded by nostalgia about Fallout games, ignoring its many and obvious faults.

The game itself is only 6GB's which is half the size of Fallout 3. The game is essentially one big copy and paste, many of the textures and and environments reused. The vault you find in New Vegas is such a clear copy and paste its laughable and the world is tiny, and not even a sandbox.

I know its all open free... technically but the game controls where you go by having immensely overpowered mobs herding your movements. So you can really only take one path throughout the wastelands. Its really linear gameplay, any attempt to break out and go on your own usually bugs the main quest which is also, very easy to do. The game punishes you for taking choices it doesn't approve off or heading in directions it doesn't like. A friend of mine managed to sneak past the Deathclaws and make it to New Vegas early on. Only to have the main quest instantly update to catch up, skipping 50% of the content and then crashing.

Speaking of broken quests, the game is laughably buggy, to the point where its almost unplayable if you don't heavily mod and patch it. Huge amounts of crashes and bugs that break any real immersion. The quest themselves ant much better, one you remove all the "Go to A and talk to B" quests there are less than probably 10 proper side quests with any real detail. About the same total quests as Fallout 3 had in Megaton.

The game reeks of expansion pack material padded out to be resold as a full price game, this wouldn't be too bad if people weren't eating up with their "I <3 Fallout" glasses on. The series was great yes but this is a sad and shallow addition too it which uses humor to hide its failings. Even the humor itself is weak with often no attempt to fit them in with context. "A supermutant with a wig... yeah sounds awesome, throw it in. Or I know! Ghoul space explorers!" Being thrown in because of the lols, even breaking some established ideas to do so. Like Glowing One ghouls no longer doing radiation damage.

People should try and judge these games that piggyback off previous success's without the rose tinted view or the love for the series blinding their judgement. Take off the fallout 3 label and call it "Wasteland Tales" and then this game wouldn't of even made it past launch.

Anyway, rant over.

it's like fallout three but with much more content in a smaller space so not to bore you as much and improves on aspects of fallout three such a rip of... oh wait THAT'S A SEQUEL also we all know that Bethesda releases buggy as hell games and fixes them later and we complain about it but that's like a man pissing in your cereal every morning and you eating the cereal and going why did you piss in it ya of course he isn't meant to piss in your cereal but your the one who drank it and quests which are more about trying to solve things verbally and role playing in a role playing *smacks self in face* that is evil and the game returning to it's ROOTS and trying to be light hearted who tries to sow respect for their source material also nearly every RPG limits your movement on the map till you don't need to wear nappies because the game is trying to suitably introduce new players to old story elements and introducing the change in gameplay slowly as not to alienate us as well as making the game a hell of a lot more balance as to make the game challenging for those that are looking for it but still keeping it easy enough for the average player.

Now that I have finished my rant I hope we can have a civil debate over this and come up with a agreement.
p.s. I didn't include full stops on purpose for the rant.

 

[The_Puppy_Prince]

Only game clipping bugs ive come up with are some clipping and loading errors,but thats just about it

 

[camokkid]

Well, tons of people bought ODST, even though it was just a glorified full-price expansion pack, so why are you bitching and moaning about this?

 

[saruman31]

Its a soulless Fallout 3.