Fallout: NV.... Something very wrong.

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Dexiro

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acidstrider said:
Dexiro said:
Someone sounds butthurt. Tell me how this game would work as an expansion pack :/
How would it not? You install it, you play it. Suddenly a quest is added to deliver a package to New Vegas and...voila! Fallout 3 New Vegas.
I was thinking more in terms of how the mechanics work in the new game, it's not as simple as plonking your character onto a new map.

You have the new perks, reputation with factions, and the first few quests seemed fairly reliant on the fact that the player had no resources to start with. Baring in mind I've only played the first few quests so far, so there could be more or less points than what I'm mentioning.

If you're starting from scratch either way and it's about the size of a full new game, they might as well just make it a new game.
Personally I have no problem with it just being "more" Fallout 3, they seemed to have polished up a lot of stuff and added enough new content to make it worth it. That's all sequels are most of the time, big expansion packs.
 

MiracleOfSound

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defiante1 said:
The game reeks of expansion pack material padded out to be resold as a full price game,
Sigh...

New combat mechanic

Factions system

Completely different atmosphere in the narrative, more focus on humour and storytelling than Fallout 3

Far more quests than F3

Far more characters and interaction than F3

Changes to skill systems at a fundamental level, for example Repair skill works differently, Big Guns now falls under Guns, etc

Dialogue options influenced by skill choices offering more ways to achieve goals

Hardcore mode

New companion system

Multiple complex story paths

Completely different tone, lighter and cheerier than F3, more akin to the originals

More difficult, tactical levelling system

More difficult geographical layout due to high level baddies, again akin to the original games

Now I still prefer F3 overall, but to suggest NV is a glorified expansion just seems like a lazy critique to me.
 

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Oh No! An Opinion! These arn't allowed!

......Oh Wait.


Well done, once again you have given us another rant that gives NO discussional value other than a flame war or a discussion the stupidity and ignorance of Trolls.

Some people (me being one of them) love the Fallout series, You may not and you have your reasons, Everyone is entitled to them......And no one cares about yours or anyones.
 

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This is an amusing thread to watch, if only because the people that like Fallout: New Vegas are honestly acting more trollish than the people that don't. So somebody doesn't like the game you like. Big deal. That doesn't make them trolls. They're legitimately disappointed or disillusioned with the game. They aren't enjoying it the way you are. That doesn't make them trolls either. The fact that they seem to be in the minority and are curious as to why? Also not trolling.

So, seriously, get over it and stop acting like a bunch of mindless fanboys because somebody disagreed with your assessment of a game. Everybody has the right to an opinion, regardless of whether you like it or not.

As for the original post, yes, it requires a little bit more discussion value. I won't argue that. Still doesn't make it a troll post, though. The poster seems genuinely confused by the success of a game that they find to be utter rubbish. Nothing more to it.
 

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I love New Vegas just as I loved Fallout 3. I've yet to encounter a "game breaking" bug, beem fairly lucky in that regard. You don't like it? Thats fair enough but why do you have to make a thread that can be summed up with the line "Wahhh why do people like games that I don't?!" Although I see the trolls on both sides have reared their heads so I think it's time to mosey on other to a different thread.
 

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Have you even played FO1/2? This game resembles more of that than FO3 by miles. There's people who like FO. You don't seem to be one of them. And FO3 is taken as not the true Fallout amongst FO fans I know. It can't be, as it's not the first game, that was loved so much no matter how you twist it.
 

Hashime

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I like it, a new game with some new mechanics to play around with and mod. So far it has been fun to play (I am a level 28 stealth ranger).
 

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Haha I didn't feel it was enough like Fallout 3 xp The only reference to Fallout 3 in the game that I could think of was The Wasteland Survuival Guide. Everything else was call back to Fallout 1 or 2 and they stood out like a sore thumb. Like when Cass talks about her dad or the lady who makes the deathclaw omelets says "Yeah my grandma use to make these omelets till some wastelander killed the deathclaw". I never saw that when I played Fallout 1 and 2 but I can clearly tell she was talking about the vault dweller or the chosen one. I was just really hoping to see a few people from Fallout 3. If Moriarty can travel from Ireland and Melissa from New Zealand people can go from Washington to Vegas)

The start where you basically have to follow a path was shit I agree, but it's not just super hard enemies that keep you fenced in also all of the invisible walls if your try climbing.

Who cut the budget on voicing holotapes? ;)

Actually the religious ghouls in rockets looking for a land to call there own was probably my favorite quest. It starts all scary and Panic Room, then you meet a guy who thinks he's a ghoul and talks all grumbly, steal some old party hats, meet a talking glowing one (who sounds like a male version the diva from The 5th Element), help fix the rocket, fight some invisible baddies, meet a badass ghoul in the basement who's just here for ghoulettes, calibrate the rockets(to not crash you evil person!), crazy music, Blastoff.

Yeah it was sorta weird how the message board in Vault 21 also had someone name Olie missing a repair skill book. O well.

No one going to mention how the music was better? :p It's like they replaced Ella Fitzgerald and The Ink Spots with twangy county. Don't get me wrong I love radio new vegas but it needs more songs (and to stop playing the same song twice in a row).

The game isn't as good as Fallout 3 in my opinion but that doesn't make it bad. It's just less great :p and defiantly more then an expansion pack. They did improve some things like factions, the option of hardcore mode, the way they recognize clothing, they companion wheel, and companion personal quests. Still for surly worth playing.
 

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ITT: Closed minded people who get butthurt over the slightest glitch cry and piss and moan.

OT: Yeah, I'll give NV its dues, its fucked. Literally. Bugs/Glitches ahoy, picking up more at every port.

But that doesn't stop me enjoying the game. -EVERY- game released nowadays has glitches and the like. The first couple of months of a Call of Duty game being released, all you hear about is exploiting buttmunches in MP fucking up the enjoyment of thousands of other players just so they can 'rank up' faster. [Hell, I quit playing MW2 after the Javelin exploit, and btw it wasn't a rage quit, by this time I had every achievement in game, and the mutliplayer was getting dull ANYWAY]

I'll admit NV has more than its fair share of bugs which have broken the game for me [My main character is missing 3 quest achievements because the endings of the quests have fritzed out, making it impossible to hand them in] I also couldn't get Power Armour training from the BoS guys due to a bug [luckily I was still able to get the Power Armour training from Arcade Gannon, helping him find his old 'buddies']

The invisible walling is pretty shit, I can understand it when you are a low level [I could imagine scaling some cliffs could drop you right into a high level mob area, cue instarape] but it is very aggrivating when you are level 28 and your merely looking for things to kill for XP.

End of the day:

Yes its bugged. But the worst bugs will be fixed. If you really aren't liking the game to the point wher you have to let the whole world know, go leave a negative review and score on meta-critic. Stop spamming my forums with pointless threads.
 

jpoon

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NV is a sweet game, the OP is a whiney tit baby from what I'm seeing here.
 
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I personally like it. I liked Fallout 3 too. The previous ones were... Meh, I didn't really like them. Sure, New Vegas was buggy. Extremely buggy, but as soon as they patch it it'll be brilliant I think.
 

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The vault you find in New Vegas is such a clear copy and paste
You dont understand what the vaults are do you?
I know its all open free... technically but the game controls where you go by having immensely overpowered mobs herding your movements. So you can really only take one path throughout the wastelands.
Thats you being bad. You can go where ever you want and you can completely avoid all the enemies if you'd like.
You have a sneak skill and you have the option to go around camps of enemies.
Only to have the main quest instantly update to catch up, skipping 50% of the content
If you do a later part of the main quest, it skips the earlier parts.
That is called freedom.
If you find a note that gives you the answer to a puzzle, you have the answer to the puzzle. You dont need to go search for the answer to it, you have the answer.
Speaking of broken quests, the game is laughably buggy, to the point where its almost unplayable if you don't heavily mod and patch it. Huge amounts of crashes and bugs that break any real immersion.
I have not had one single crash. I have had two problems so far, one is that a Rad Scorpion fell through the ground, not the biggest deal ever and the other is that I cant boot my game because it requires you to have a sound card (Even though Oblivion and Fallout 3 dont..)

The quests are actually most of the time more than just "Go to A talk to B then come back to C" You are picking out the few quests that do and using them as an example.
 

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defiante1 said:
ChupathingyX said:
Wow this is massive trolling. Serioiusly dude.

Firstly, the size of the world is not smaller. It is skinnier than F3, but much more taller.
Secondly, linear? Punishing you for choices they don't want you to make? Please give an example.
Third, ahhh you can skip heaps of F3's storyline by going straight to Vault 112? And it makes sense to. Benny is at New Vegas STrip, why wouldn't it update?
Fourth, tehre are many quests in NV that are not "go to A, speak to B". The "Beyond the Beef" quest, dealing with the Kings for the NCR diplomatically, "You'll know it when it happens", the quest to either defend, or attack Goodsprings, and many others.
Fifth, Glowing Ones do have radiation, why do you think the are glowing? Did you think they ate a bunch of light bulbs?

You're obviously some kind of Bethesda fanboy who thinks that Oblivion is a deep RPG and you probably pay no attention to proper caracter development.

Fallout: New Vegas is not feeding on the life of Fallout 3, it is continuing the story of the West Coast of America and he effects of what humanity would do after a nuclear apocalypse because of it's own unsatiable greed for power.

Oh and personally I've gotten much more bugs playing F3 than I have NV.
Your kidding me right ? You havent even read my posts, ive been insulting Bethesda for their bad handling of the series, hardly a fanboy of theirs. They brought out the half finished Fallout 3 from the creators, finished it and then claimed credit. Their first stand alone Fallout game isnt up to scratch and nor have the DLC's they released for Fallout 3. Either being too game breaking or too dull.

And I said they included a non radioactive Glowing one. Its in the game. Go play it. The Ghoul space explorers are lead by a Glowing one that you can stand next too and talk too WITHOUT radition damage. Thats not my opinion thats a fact in the game.

As for content, if its so similar then why is the playtime so differant. Fallout 3 has heaps of content and NV can completed in full without even trying.
Ok lets clear this up right now. Fallout: Van Buren was a Real Time or turn based Co-Op capable RPG set using style of Fallout 1 and 2. The story was set in the American Southwest revolving around the NCR and a second Nuclear War. The project was about 95% finished when it was canceled in 2003.


The Fallout 3 created by Bethesda was not that. It didn't even use the same engine. It was started from scratch.

Also New Vegas was created by Obsidian which includes members of Black Isle. From your posts I couldn't tell if you knew that.

Your entitled to your opinion. Just make sure your facts are right.
 

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Greetings, my name is Acidstrider, Fallout fan since 1998, when i first played Fallout 1. And I hate this game. I really just utterly hate it. I start the main game and I am instantly thrown into a character, so generic, they don't even attempt of giving you any depth, aside from "You are a courier!". That within itself is a huge back step, compared to the start of fallout 3. But whatever, it is a RPG, I can make up my own background if I want. But then I notice my doctor's eye's, and the fact their floating two feet away from his head, I am already seeing bugs! Still I shall not let this discourage me! I reboot the game and now, my doctor dosen't have a head at all, but is merely a pair of floating eye balls... I then reboot my computer and remake my character two times before I seem to have everything working.

So I then went on to protect the town, which had so selflessly taken care of me, while I suffered from a bullet to the head, which happened to magically not kill me. Now bethesda advertised one of New vegas features, being a heavier focus on melee combat, something which was instantly demonstrated, by the fact that they all charged at me with sticks, while I blew their brains out with my rifle.

I then martched bravely on toward New Vegas, the very place this game has been hyped up about, only to be instant killed by Death claws. Hm, odd... I said to myself, not knowing why they'd put such high leveled enemies, in the path of the very place, the game is named after. But I then crouched down, and snuck by them, after only two reloads I made it to New Vegas.

Immedietly after ran into a group of thugs, whom I killed instantly, one of which who dropped a incinerator. Odd to find such a high ranked weapon this early on I thought, but I soon forgot about it, as I approached the lights of New vegas. Only to discover I had to walk around the whole stupid thing, to make it to the door. I then entered the slums, where I guess I was meant to farm the 2000 caps, needed to enter Nev vegas. But as a former WoW gold farmer and dispite just starting the game, I'd managed to collect a sufficient amount and I entered through the grand gates.

It was then I was approached by a robot, the very same, which supposedly saved me. He goes on about seeing me around a lot, and I've gone far, alluding that We've meet several times lately, and I've been looking for my would be killer, even though I didn't give a monkies about them. It was then I was introduced to Mr House, and even before he started speaking, I had no idea what the hell was going on. House start spouting a name, I assumed was my killer, and something about a platinum chip... by this point I was really lost.

My computer also seemed completely lost, as it crashed only moments after wards. I wanted to like New vegas and lord knows, I really tried to. But the lackluster story did not do anything for me and nor did any of the side quests. Gone are the small interesting spots, with rich colorful characters, and instead we have copy pasted locations from fallout 3. The locations in themselves are dull, and offer nothing new, from what we saw in fallout 3 (not counting the Casino's), which in itself could be tolerated, but as defiante already stated, they rarely offer little more then, to go here, get this, kill that, with little to no choices on your part.

And don't get me started on when I do get choices. I won't go to deep into this, but I found myself almost reloading two days back into the game, due to my decisions (and a fair share of bugs I assume) I was now stuck. It was around here, I threw up my keyboard and removed all expectations I had for Fallout online.
You went the wrong way, and thats the game's fault?
 

Kris015

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acidstrider said:
Dexiro said:
Someone sounds butthurt. Tell me how this game would work as an expansion pack :/
How would it not? You install it, you play it. Suddenly a quest is added to deliver a package to New Vegas and...voila! Fallout 3 New Vegas.
But they are two VERY different people. Also, the atmosphere has changed, there are much more features, the voice acting has improved, the gameworld is big.

NO THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN EXPANSION!!!
 

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OT:I myself have not played Fallout:NV (and probably wont for a couple of months/years when all of the bugs have been patched). But from what I gather most of the stuff that you complained about other people have complained about as well.
 

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Fallout 2 was essentially fallout with new guns, new places, a new story, and a few new textures, yet it is said by many to be one of the best RPGs ever made.

So if New Vegas does to Fallout 3 what Fallout 2 did to Fallout it isn't acceptable?

Edit:Oh, and I haven't experienced any major bugs at all save for crashing twice out of about 150 hours of gameplay. Good to be a member of the PC gamer master race.
Can't argue with that comparison.