Most manuals we use are old translations but if you look on the arma website John Clements has written several books on basic longsword practice. Check out thoseMoggs said:I generaly use the melee option in most games if there is one. I like the up close and personal approach in most encounters (does shotguns count?).
But a handy one-hand sword is what I prefer. What I fight with in real life is a combo between rapier/dagger and sword/buckler.
Hussmann54 said:Spitfire175 said:[small]You are drowning in hype, mate...[/small]Exictednuke said:a weapon that can cut multiple people in half.
OT: Screw Japanese impractical butterknives. An European medieval longsword, 1450s, German steel, blade crafted in Munich, hilt and pommel from Milan. German steel of the period was much harder and better quality than any other, and when the European sword crafting was at its peak, a longsword was not only more practical than any other sword, but also more durable (and easier to repair) and most of all the deadliest. This in combination of traditional European martial arts, which are just like eastern ones, except they're designed purely to kill, without any ceremonies or rules, and the best personal protection humankind has ever produced -15th century plate armours- makes up for the most prominent close combat killing machine of all time.
Japanese swords are something that get hyped about as much as the AK 47 and German WW2 weapons combined. It's a shame, really, since they are not any better than their western counterparts. The idea "a katana will cut a western sword in two" is bogus, based on a presentation held to Dutch merchants in the 16 hundreds in Japan, where a local samurai smashed a Dutch sailor's knife. When put head to head, a katana is the first one to snap against a bastard sword. All the hype about how Japanese master smiths spending months with swords are true, but not for the reason you want to think: Japanese steel was very poor, so they had to spend a long time refining the material. And the anti-hype towards European swords in much due to the rubbish quality replicas you see around today, and of course people who think European swords have just been pieces of blunt iron used to pummel others. Well no. Italian master craftsmen, too, used months forging a single blade, creating some of the most sophisticated swords of all time.
As for the martial arts, the "barbaric and stupid Europeans who only used brute force" developed martial arts equal to those of the far east, with uncanny similarities to kendo and others. Italian "maestro" has the exact same linguistic meaning as "sensei". The same techniques were developed in two places, separate from each other. Some might know Miyamoto Musashi, arguably Japan's most famous Rōnin. Well, Europe had a guy just like him: Johannes Liechtenauer. If these two had clashed in a duel, I wouldn't know who'd win.
Some extra reading:
http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/ringeck/ringeck.htm
http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Liechtenauer
http://www.mbdojo.com/stances/kenjutsustances.html < chudan-no-kamae, hasso-no-kamae, gedan-no-kamae and kasumi-no-kamae known in Europe as Pflug, vom Tag, Alber and Ochs
YOU KNOW THE ARMA?!?!?!?!?!
FRIEND!!!!! *hug*
Cool! Do you practice HEMA as well? I've heard of The Arma, but I haven't really looked up their site I guess, maybe I should. What kinds of materials do they have there? And what manuals do you guys use when practising?
Nice, although maces tend to be a bit to much on the short and heavy side for my taste, despite the force the bring to the table. And if its on a chain I simply wont touch it. Such weapons leave far too much to random physics and what is, in essence, quantum mechanics of chance. Even when properly wielded by somebody who knows what they are doing, they commonly leave gaps in defense that are too hard to cover efficiently. When one is closed, several other may pop up.Aerodyamic said:Burning Rock in an Asbestos Sock? B.R.A.S O' DOOMY DOOM! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!Hussmann54 said:In the christmas spirit ( I know Im a day late blah blah blah.....) how bout some hard coal in a stocking?...
A friend of mine has a 4-flange mace with about a 4-5" spread on the flanges, and roughly a 14" haft, made by a mutual friend who happens to be a professional blacksmith and knife-smith. It weighs in at about 8lbs, and if it were used on an UNARMOURED opponent, it would likely kill them, no matter where you struck them. I've seen the damage it can do to an under-ripe pumpkin, and it was a negligent blow; the pumpkin FUCKING EXPLODED.Eclectic Dreck said:Beyond that, I would look no further than the flanged mace - the simplest answer ever devised to a seemingly impossible problem. How does one kill a man in a suit of steel that no weapon yet crafted can readily pierce? Simple - crush the suit around him. Thus was born a simple stick with a heavy metal head forged into a number of points or flanges to ensure the full force of a blow was transfered to a tiny point on the armor.
Heh, long quote is long.Hussmann54 said:Most manuals we use are old translations but if you look on the arma website John Clements has written several books on basic longsword practice. Check out thoseMoggs said:I generaly use the melee option in most games if there is one. I like the up close and personal approach in most encounters (does shotguns count?).
But a handy one-hand sword is what I prefer. What I fight with in real life is a combo between rapier/dagger and sword/buckler.
Hussmann54 said:Spitfire175 said:[small]You are drowning in hype, mate...[/small]Exictednuke said:a weapon that can cut multiple people in half.
OT: Screw Japanese impractical butterknives. An European medieval longsword, 1450s, German steel, blade crafted in Munich, hilt and pommel from Milan. German steel of the period was much harder and better quality than any other, and when the European sword crafting was at its peak, a longsword was not only more practical than any other sword, but also more durable (and easier to repair) and most of all the deadliest. This in combination of traditional European martial arts, which are just like eastern ones, except they're designed purely to kill, without any ceremonies or rules, and the best personal protection humankind has ever produced -15th century plate armours- makes up for the most prominent close combat killing machine of all time.
Japanese swords are something that get hyped about as much as the AK 47 and German WW2 weapons combined. It's a shame, really, since they are not any better than their western counterparts. The idea "a katana will cut a western sword in two" is bogus, based on a presentation held to Dutch merchants in the 16 hundreds in Japan, where a local samurai smashed a Dutch sailor's knife. When put head to head, a katana is the first one to snap against a bastard sword. All the hype about how Japanese master smiths spending months with swords are true, but not for the reason you want to think: Japanese steel was very poor, so they had to spend a long time refining the material. And the anti-hype towards European swords in much due to the rubbish quality replicas you see around today, and of course people who think European swords have just been pieces of blunt iron used to pummel others. Well no. Italian master craftsmen, too, used months forging a single blade, creating some of the most sophisticated swords of all time.
As for the martial arts, the "barbaric and stupid Europeans who only used brute force" developed martial arts equal to those of the far east, with uncanny similarities to kendo and others. Italian "maestro" has the exact same linguistic meaning as "sensei". The same techniques were developed in two places, separate from each other. Some might know Miyamoto Musashi, arguably Japan's most famous Rōnin. Well, Europe had a guy just like him: Johannes Liechtenauer. If these two had clashed in a duel, I wouldn't know who'd win.
Some extra reading:
http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/ringeck/ringeck.htm
http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Liechtenauer
http://www.mbdojo.com/stances/kenjutsustances.html < chudan-no-kamae, hasso-no-kamae, gedan-no-kamae and kasumi-no-kamae known in Europe as Pflug, vom Tag, Alber and Ochs
YOU KNOW THE ARMA?!?!?!?!?!
FRIEND!!!!! *hug*
Cool! Do you practice HEMA as well? I've heard of The Arma, but I haven't really looked up their site I guess, maybe I should. What kinds of materials do they have there? And what manuals do you guys use when practising?
Sigmund ringneck? I do believe he does. Although I have been more partial to Italian techniques of longsword with a stilletto in my off hand but Ringneck is very good at what he does.Moggs said:Heh, long quote is long.Hussmann54 said:Most manuals we use are old translations but if you look on the arma website John Clements has written several books on basic longsword practice. Check out thoseMoggs said:I generaly use the melee option in most games if there is one. I like the up close and personal approach in most encounters (does shotguns count?).
But a handy one-hand sword is what I prefer. What I fight with in real life is a combo between rapier/dagger and sword/buckler.
Hussmann54 said:Spitfire175 said:[small]You are drowning in hype, mate...[/small]Exictednuke said:a weapon that can cut multiple people in half.
OT: Screw Japanese impractical butterknives. An European medieval longsword, 1450s, German steel, blade crafted in Munich, hilt and pommel from Milan. German steel of the period was much harder and better quality than any other, and when the European sword crafting was at its peak, a longsword was not only more practical than any other sword, but also more durable (and easier to repair) and most of all the deadliest. This in combination of traditional European martial arts, which are just like eastern ones, except they're designed purely to kill, without any ceremonies or rules, and the best personal protection humankind has ever produced -15th century plate armours- makes up for the most prominent close combat killing machine of all time.
Japanese swords are something that get hyped about as much as the AK 47 and German WW2 weapons combined. It's a shame, really, since they are not any better than their western counterparts. The idea "a katana will cut a western sword in two" is bogus, based on a presentation held to Dutch merchants in the 16 hundreds in Japan, where a local samurai smashed a Dutch sailor's knife. When put head to head, a katana is the first one to snap against a bastard sword. All the hype about how Japanese master smiths spending months with swords are true, but not for the reason you want to think: Japanese steel was very poor, so they had to spend a long time refining the material. And the anti-hype towards European swords in much due to the rubbish quality replicas you see around today, and of course people who think European swords have just been pieces of blunt iron used to pummel others. Well no. Italian master craftsmen, too, used months forging a single blade, creating some of the most sophisticated swords of all time.
As for the martial arts, the "barbaric and stupid Europeans who only used brute force" developed martial arts equal to those of the far east, with uncanny similarities to kendo and others. Italian "maestro" has the exact same linguistic meaning as "sensei". The same techniques were developed in two places, separate from each other. Some might know Miyamoto Musashi, arguably Japan's most famous Rōnin. Well, Europe had a guy just like him: Johannes Liechtenauer. If these two had clashed in a duel, I wouldn't know who'd win.
Some extra reading:
http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/ringeck/ringeck.htm
http://www.thearma.org/essays/TopMyths.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Liechtenauer
http://www.mbdojo.com/stances/kenjutsustances.html < chudan-no-kamae, hasso-no-kamae, gedan-no-kamae and kasumi-no-kamae known in Europe as Pflug, vom Tag, Alber and Ochs
YOU KNOW THE ARMA?!?!?!?!?!
FRIEND!!!!! *hug*
Cool! Do you practice HEMA as well? I've heard of The Arma, but I haven't really looked up their site I guess, maybe I should. What kinds of materials do they have there? And what manuals do you guys use when practising?
Allright, always fun to check out new things, even though I'm not that fond of the longsword. I think Ringeck has both longsword and sword/buckler in his works, doesn't he?