Favourite Star Trek captain?
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Which movie was he in? That is so cool. I've seen all the Star Trek movies, but I don't remembe seeing Kelsey Grammar in them. He is so funny. Also, speaking of 'Cheers' alums, I remember Kirstie Alley was in a couple of Star Trek movies too, as a Vulcan if I remember right.Revelo said:Oh come on! it has to be Dr Frasier!
But in all seriousness it was Picard IMO. Best written character, pleased by Patrick Freakin! Stewart no less
As much as I like Patrick Stewart and his Picard character, I'd have to pick Archer too. I also like tht actor's work (especially Quantum Leap) though his name escapes me at the moment. Archer is even more of a man of action than Picard was. He also had a neat sense of humor and had little touches to his character, like having the dog, that made him interesting.
I suppose we will have to agree to disagree then. Frankly I think that the problem in the actual US military is that too many people are like Jellico, but I respect that you feel the opposite. In the end I think it comes down to how the person sees the power they are given, and I feel that Jellico abused that power for the sake of his ego and deserved the disrespect he got if not more.
your still missing the entire point molikroth. Jellico was a good millitary captian. starfleet isnt millitary though.
i happen too think that jellico was the perfect captian to take picards place in the small narrow confines of that one mission. war was probibal against the cardassians and in that situation than a hard charging bull head never say die asshat like Jellico was the guy you wanted in the center seat when the order to fire phasers when out.
but the question isnt 'whose the best captian in a war senario' its whos the best captian period. and thats picard. Star Trek isnt about war, for that you clearly want Star Wars or some other sci-fie craptastic bonanza that has big ships with bigger guns killing any bumpyheaded thing that comes in scaner range. Star Trek is supposed to be about what humans can become if we can finaly put down our need to kill our neighbor because he has something we want. its about how we CAN change our way of thinking from a style much like Jellicos to one like Picards. where all beings are treated with respect FIRST and there are no second class beings. its alsoa lession of practicing what you preach , a lession that Picard teaches almost every show and Jellico faild horribly at. if you want to instill in your crew a respect for others you must FIRST respect THEM.
Jellico was a very focused narrow persona that was fit for only one duty, leading in a time of war. Picard was an everyman capable of not only leading but excelling in EVERY situation including the mundain day to day runing of the ship and dealing with the crew.
and its clear to me that if given a choice between jellico and Picard in that SPECIFIC mission against the cardassians id still want picard. any idiot can fire phasers (the lession of Worf) but it takes a real leader to keep it from getting to that point in the first place. something Jellico would have faild to do without the support of the crew. in fact if Riker hadent taken picards lessions to heart and became the bigger man than jellico would have STARTED the war with his policys and actions insead of avoiding it.
i will totaly admit that geordy came off as a whiney little ***** though. even Picard wouldnt have accepted an answer like 'its good enough' but then again geordy would have respect enough for Picard to never give him that answer in the first place. with is the whole point.
i happen too think that jellico was the perfect captian to take picards place in the small narrow confines of that one mission. war was probibal against the cardassians and in that situation than a hard charging bull head never say die asshat like Jellico was the guy you wanted in the center seat when the order to fire phasers when out.
but the question isnt 'whose the best captian in a war senario' its whos the best captian period. and thats picard. Star Trek isnt about war, for that you clearly want Star Wars or some other sci-fie craptastic bonanza that has big ships with bigger guns killing any bumpyheaded thing that comes in scaner range. Star Trek is supposed to be about what humans can become if we can finaly put down our need to kill our neighbor because he has something we want. its about how we CAN change our way of thinking from a style much like Jellicos to one like Picards. where all beings are treated with respect FIRST and there are no second class beings. its alsoa lession of practicing what you preach , a lession that Picard teaches almost every show and Jellico faild horribly at. if you want to instill in your crew a respect for others you must FIRST respect THEM.
Jellico was a very focused narrow persona that was fit for only one duty, leading in a time of war. Picard was an everyman capable of not only leading but excelling in EVERY situation including the mundain day to day runing of the ship and dealing with the crew.
and its clear to me that if given a choice between jellico and Picard in that SPECIFIC mission against the cardassians id still want picard. any idiot can fire phasers (the lession of Worf) but it takes a real leader to keep it from getting to that point in the first place. something Jellico would have faild to do without the support of the crew. in fact if Riker hadent taken picards lessions to heart and became the bigger man than jellico would have STARTED the war with his policys and actions insead of avoiding it.
i will totaly admit that geordy came off as a whiney little ***** though. even Picard wouldnt have accepted an answer like 'its good enough' but then again geordy would have respect enough for Picard to never give him that answer in the first place. with is the whole point.
As a person who has watched all of the series at some point or another, I can say that Kirk was my favorite. Aside form the fact that he's fat and wasn't exactly smart, relying more on instinct than intuition actually does work just as well. It also helps that he had Spock to fill in as the intellectual. DS9 and Voyager had more emphasis on other characters than the captains from the episodes I watched, though I'd say that Picard was actually one of the weaker among them.
I am well aware of that but in those cases he was just acting Captain, I meant Captain proper.Not Good said:
Sisko was badass... I don't know if he was actually a Captain, but after Patrick Stewart's "let's talk it out" brand of leadership, he gets my vote.
Then again, I really don't care for anything Trek after Star Trek 2, so... whatever.
Kate Mulgrew was by far the worst, though. No, it wasn't because she's a woman, it because she's irritating as all hell.
Then again, I really don't care for anything Trek after Star Trek 2, so... whatever.
Kate Mulgrew was by far the worst, though. No, it wasn't because she's a woman, it because she's irritating as all hell.
To keep this post on topic, once again...I favor Sisko. He wasn't the greatest actor, and I kept thinking he looked like "Hawk in Space". But he had more emotional depth than any other Captain, IMHO.Khell_Sennet said:
Now to the post...Angry Much?...lol!
If you don't understand the hatred against ENT than you need to pay attention more. They attempted to make their own version of Star Trek with ENT. Berman had been on record as trying to remake it for years. The Temporal Cold War was supposed to relaunch the franchise, by changing the future. Except it didn't work, and the fans freaked by Season 2. The new movie succeeded in rewriting the entire franchise, yet even that is under fire by fans. Hell they ADMITTED the movie's plot was done, because they couldn't think of a way to continue the story. In ENT, why do you even think they took Star Trek out of the name? Changed the way races acted and appeared? (i.e. Vulcans, Romulans, Borg...etc). Heck they even blew a hole into the side of Earth. There was so much backlash from fans during the original airing that they changed certain elements of the show. Adding the name Star Trek back into the title. Even finally conceding during season 4, and gave the writing to Coto. Who is the ONLY person responsible for bringing some connection between ENT and TOS. B&B NEVER did that. They were more concerned about making their "own" Star Trek.
As for ENT, Season 4 is widely seen as the only redeeming quality...up until the finale. There are no other episodes in Season 1-3 that connect ENT to TOS, only Season 4 (after they gave the reigns to Coto). Then they even took one step further in disgrace in the finale, and bypassed TOS altogether and connected it with TNG. A slap in the face to Star Trek fans if you ask me. Heck, they ended the series with a shot of the Enterprise D for heaven's sake.
You can throw me in a spiked filled hole all you like, IMHO, there are a lot more fans that feel the way I do, than you. Fans didn't kill ENT, as the empty suits claim...they did. And what did they do? Throw away the entire franchise for a buck.
Make it so!
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That's the wrong search bar, the one you want is next to the My profile/settings bar on the right, called 'Search Forums'. But full marks for effort.Molikroth said:
Picard, because I actually saw him in real life.
Shatner, Mulgrew, if you want in my good books then you'd better start doing theatre in scotland.
Shatner, Mulgrew, if you want in my good books then you'd better start doing theatre in scotland.
I cant watch this because of stupid copyright laws ;-; It makes me sadUltrajoe said:
But my vote would too go to Picard. He was by far the strongest of the Captains and always seemed the most human. Patrick Stewart was also the best actor of all the star trek casts
What a guy <3